The Ones Who Are Left…

[Earburner]

Now, as I have stated that the New covenant was to be confirmed for ONE week (49 years), we all must pay attention to the Jewish time table of how long it took for the rebuilding of the Temple in Jerusalem.
John 2[18] Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?
[19] Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
[20] Then said the Jews, Forty and six [46] years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
[21] But he spake of the temple of his body.

Aside from the importance of what Jesus had to say, the Jews stated one historical fact: it took 46 years to rebuild the temple building.

Now I ask, when did "the going forth" of the commandment to rebuild the temple take place, or be decreed?
In the day of Jesus' "visitation", the Jews said it took 46 years to rebuild. That approximates to be ONE prophetic week (7x7=49).
According to Daniel, what week was that in the prophetic 70 weeks?
Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks [62 weeks] shall Messiah be cut off [crucified], but not for himself [for others]:
That is saying that the decree (commandment) to rebuild the temple took place (62x7=) 434 years prior to the temple was completed.

Back to 2 Chronicles 36:20-23.
When did Cyrus the king of Persia and Artaxerxese rule?
Ans. Approx. 430BC, which is the timing of
"the going forth" of the commandment to rebuild the temple and Jerusalem.

 

[Enoch111]

Now, as I have stated that the New covenant was to be confirmed for ONE week (49 years)

That is not the New Covenant but the bogus covenant of the Antichrist with Israel and the Jews. And one week is one "seven" or one "heptad" which is only 7 years. The covenant is bogus because it is made deceptively and will be broken after 3 1/2 years.

 

[Earburner]

That is not the New Covenant but the bogus covenant of the Antichrist with Israel and the Jews. And one week is one "seven" or one "heptad" which is only 7 years. The covenant is bogus because it is made deceptively and will be broken after 3 1/2 years.

So says "church-ianity" and the tares within it.
For interpretation, It appears that you choose to follow the wrong "he" in KJV Daniel 9:27, being either Titus of Rome or Jesus of Nazareth.

 

[Earburner]

This is absolutely pointless. It’s not that I have “missed” it, I just think you’re wrong.
And clearly you disagree with me.
And no…having me read the KJV won’t magically make me see your POV.
So, this is where I get off this merri-go-round. Cheers.

Ok then, to be more exacting, why did Jesus say: "it is finished??

What did Jesus' word "finished" reference to?
Ans. KJV Daniel 9:24
"...to finish the transgression,
And ALL His work for the other "and to(s)" in that verse.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
[20] Then said the Jews, Forty and six [46] years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
[21] But he spake of the temple of his body.

Aside from the importance of what Jesus had to say, the Jews stated one historical fact: it took 46 years to rebuild the temple building.

Now I ask, when did "the going forth" of the commandment to rebuild the temple take place, or be decreed?

thank you for sharing about their saying it took them 46 years. I do not understand numbers or rarely pay attention to them…(your post caused me to notice) is it only random that Christ finished it in saying in 3 days. Is it random that where their 46 is short of 49, needful of the 3 days?

Your post makes me think of what I was reading yesterday morning:

Now even the first [covenant] had regulations of divine worship and the earthly sanctuary. for there a tabernacle prepared, the outer one (Adam) in which …

the priests are continually entering the outer tabernacle performing divine worship…

—to clarify why this stands out to me regarding what is being rebuilt …even what the command going forth to rebuild…to rebuild what? To me, wrong or right, what is commanded to be “built up” is Love, and signified by the Holy Spirit, the rebuilding of what has been wasted or destroyed is: people. Rebuild, again wrong or right, is edification or perfecting and the topic is not stone walls but a restoring of Love for God and for brother. In no way can (can I see how) the building walls of brick and mortar can be edified but instead those housed within, which is His body. Not “the outer” earthly tabernacle but what is inward and not of this world.

Especially with Paul’s saying if he rebuilds that which he destroyed, then he makes himself a transgressor. Where speaking of tabernacles, even with Jesus Christ speaking to them concerning His body in the passage you quoted of 46 years they built…what is “His body” I will raise REBUILD in three days? It could be that body placed in the tomb, or it could be the rebuilding of “His body” His Church, where Very clearly the words says “it grows up” edified and built, lifted up in Christ, a more perfect tabernacle for an habitation (the abode) of God.

to me it is significant the wording “for there a tabernacle prepared, the outer one…” which unless I’ve misunderstood is called an “earthly sanctuary” as in the “outer man” (perishes) or the first man Adam…also he is not a Jew who is a Jew outwardly, that is to say in the flesh…but he who is a Jew inwardly, that is to say In Spirit…Alive unto God. Inwardly reconciled to offer up praises and worship unto God, crucified “outer”

“This the Holy Spirit [is] Signifying the WAY (where Christ said He is the way, the Life where no one comes to the Father but by Him, not by the outer earthly tabernacle with its regulations but by the “Last Adam” a heavenly tabernacle which is not of this world) the Holy Spirit signifies this way “inwardly” has not yet been disclosed while “the outer earthly tabernacle” is still standing, which “outward tabernacle” the “outer man” is a symbol which makes none perfect. BUT when Christ appeared(the Last Adam), what had not yet been disclosed while “the outer tabernacle stood” by His appearing it IS disclosed …Christ as a HIGH PRIEST entered in through, not the outer man but the inward man, not by the outer earthly tabernacle but through (the second in that which was first is earthly, but that which is last (Christ) is Heavenly)where He entered into “that which is Holiness unto God” the inward man…disclosed …or appeared … where what Tabernacle from the going forth from the command to “rebuild” “edify” “perfect” is being rebuilt?

I get that is a lot of round and round …but if there is one thing considered …maybe it would be the question: what is outer tabernacle? even going as far as telling us the nature of this outer earthly tabernacle in: thievery, boasting, lying, cheating, divisions, murmuring, lust, pride and killing of brother. Significant to me is that first outer tabernacle and the Last where Christ said He is the Last, a more perfect Tabernacle not made with Hands. When He said I will raise this Tabernacle “My body” up, we take that to mean to be lifted and “seated in Heavenly places in Christ” the Way and Last Tabernacle disclosed and revealed: why else is it called “The Revelation of Jesus Christ” not given of man but “revealed” of the Father from above?

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Okay, here’s a thought. And I preface it with the warning that it IS just a thought, I’m not trying to claim it’s true or inspired by God, and I’m not hoping to stir a great deal of angst among folks who think I’m nuts…I could be, I’m just noodling through something…but I thought it was an interesting thought, and one that sort of hit me as I was reading my bible, so…

Matt 13 gives us the parable of the weeds, and the explanation of it:


Matthew 13:24-30
The Parable of the Weeds
[24] He put another parable before them, saying, “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field, [25] but while his men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat and went away. [26] So when the plants came up and bore grain, then the weeds appeared also. [27] And the servants of the master of the house came and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have weeds?’ [28] He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ So the servants said to him, ‘Then do you want us to go and gather them?’ [29] But he said, ‘No, lest in gathering the weeds you root up the wheat along with them. [30] Let both grow together until the harvest, and at harvest time I will tell the reapers, “Gather the weeds first and bind them in bundles to be burned, but gather the wheat into my barn.”’”

Matthew 13:37-43
[37] He answered, “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. [38] The field is the world, and the good seed is the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, [39] and the enemy who sowed them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are angels. [40] Just as the weeds are gathered and burned with fire, so will it be at the end of the age. [41] The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, [42] and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. [43] Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.

While I acknowledge that this will be argued against by Dispensationalists, who would claim a two stage ‘return’ of Christ…which would put, in their mind, this ‘end of the age’ event at his last coming, I argue it doesn’t actually give us permission to insert or assume that. And yes, we could go elsewhere and continue the argument, but that is not my current goal. Here, in the text, we are told rather clearly that BOTH people groups are being allowed to ‘grow’ until the end of the age. At which point, the angels are sent out to gather…to reap the law-breakers and sinners, and throw them into the furnace. It’s then that the ‘righteous’ will inherit the Kingdom of their Father.
My interest, in specific, was caught when I was reading this passage:


1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
[16] For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. [17] Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.

This passage is, without a doubt, talking about the ‘Rapture’. The event where Christians are ‘caught up’…gathered to be with Christ. Regardless of how or when you understand this event, it’s clearly there. But…huh. The dead in Christ go first. And then we who are alive. WHO ARE LEFT. After reading the parable of the weeds, I’m suddenly wondering if Paul is being at all literal here. If the parable can be taken at all seriously, then we might be able to say that at that future time, living Christians will witness the ‘harvesting’, or ‘reaping’ of sinners from the face of the earth. And once that has happened, then they will be gathered to meet the Lord.
It could, even understanding what is happening, be quite a daunting prospect.
Of course, it all could happen within seconds of one another, who truly knows.
But, like I said, it was interesting to me.

Matthew was written primarily to minister to the Jews. It even begins with a genealogy, which was of great importance to the Jews. Although it has a message for all, these prophecies concern Israel. Matthew 24 discusses the end times relative to the Jews. These end time scriptures you have presented in Matthew, view the remnant Israel still on earth after the rapture. "Every eye will see Him" and they will mourn, realizing their error of rejecting Jesus. And this event happens right after the rapture - IMHO. According to Rom. 11, they will be saved, but likely will have to endure the Great Tribulation entirely.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

My POINT, that you so muched have missed, was WHY DID Jesus point to Daniel 9:24, by His use of the words "seventy times seven"?

You asked “why did Jesus point to Daniel 9:24, by His use of the words “seventy times seven”?

One thing we might all agree on is the topic is forgiveness yea? But this isn’t the only verse Christ pointed to in the OT on the topic of forgiveness (Imo). As much as we debate over why He pointed out the above…WHY in John 6:45 did Christ point to “IT is written in the prophets, And they shall all be taught of God.” Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me.”

Because “And they shall all be taught of God.” was also spoken of in the OT, here:
Jeremiah 31:31-39 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: [32] Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord : [33] But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. [34] And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord : for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord : for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. [35] Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name: [36] If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever. [37] Thus saith the Lord ; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord. [38] Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that the city shall be built to the Lord from the tower of Hananeel unto the gate of the corner. [39] And the measuring line shall yet go forth over against it upon the hill Gareb, and shall compass about to Goath.

in John 6:45 Christ points to Jeremiah 31:31-39 yea? In “It is written” They shall all be taught of God. This is said to be futuristic…yet Paul mentions it also here in: NOW as to the love of the brethren, you have no need for [anyone] to write to you, for you yourselves are taught of God to love one another.

for me, this brings up questions concerning a futurist perspective as needing fulfillment of “And they shall all be taught of God” as in Hebrews 8:11 And they shall not teach everyone His fellow Citizens (Ephesians 2:16-22) and everyone his brother, saying “know the LORD for all will know Me, from the least to the greatest of them.” —And they shall all be taught of God.” Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me.

it is that last “everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me.” Where Paul mentioned “Now you have no need for anyone to write to you, for you yourselves are taught of God to love one another.” For “God has not called us for the purpose of impurity, but in sanctification. So, he who rejects [this] is not rejecting man but the God who gives His Holy Spirit to you.” 1 Corinthians 2:13 not in the words which man's wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Spirit teaches…
Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning. [26] I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him. [27] They understood not that he spake to them of the Father. [28] Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things. John 8:25-28

one thing seems certain and that is Jesus Christ was taught of His Father. and though he was a son he learned obedience through the things which he suffered.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

"Every eye will see Him" and they will mourn, realizing their error of rejecting Jesus. And this event happens right after the rapture - IMHO.

“"Every eye will see Him" and they will mourn, realizing their error of rejecting Jesus. And this event happens right after the rapture - IMHO.” what of: Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. [9] Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness. [10] Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.
James 4:8-10

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

“"Every eye will see Him" and they will mourn, realizing their error of rejecting Jesus. And this event happens right after the rapture - IMHO.” what of: Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. [9] Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness. [10] Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.
James 4:8-10

You are implying that this scripture somehow symbolically has something to do with our resurrection?
This is applicable to a double minded person who needs to be humble and walk in the spirit, not in the flesh.

"Humble yourselves in the presence of the Lord, and He will exalt you." NASB

"be made low before the Lord, and He shall exalt you". YLT

"Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will exalt you". NRSV, ESV

"Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will lift you up". NIV

"Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up". KJV

So, “In the sight OF THE LORD” means His sight of you, not yours of Him!

 

[Truth7t7]

So says "church-ianity" and the tares within it.
For interpretation, It appears that you choose to follow the wrong "he" in KJV Daniel 9:27, being either Titus of Rome or Jesus of Nazareth.

Daniel's (Little Horn)

This "Future" figure will be present on earth to see the (Second Coming) of Jesus Christ and final judgement, as this figure will be slain by Jesus Christ and cast into the lake of fire (Future) unfulfilled

"Future" (Second Coming, Final Judgement) Below

Daniel 7:8-11KJV
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[Earburner]

thank you for sharing about their saying it took them 46 years. I do not understand numbers or rarely pay attention to them…(your post caused me to notice) is it only random that Christ finished it in saying in 3 days. Is it random that where their 46 is short of 49, needful of the 3 days?

Your post makes me think of what I was reading yesterday morning:

Now even the first [covenant] had regulations of divine worship and the earthly sanctuary. for there a tabernacle prepared, the outer one (Adam) in which …

the priests are continually entering the outer tabernacle performing divine worship…

—to clarify why this stands out to me regarding what is being rebuilt …even what the command going forth to rebuild…to rebuild what? To me, wrong or right, what is commanded to be “built up” is Love, and signified by the Holy Spirit, the rebuilding of what has been wasted or destroyed is: people. Rebuild, again wrong or right, is edification or perfecting and the topic is not stone walls but a restoring of Love for God and for brother. In no way can (can I see how) the building walls of brick and mortar can be edified but instead those housed within, which is His body. Not “the outer” earthly tabernacle but what is inward and not of this world.

Especially with Paul’s saying if he rebuilds that which he destroyed, then he makes himself a transgressor. Where speaking of tabernacles, even with Jesus Christ speaking to them concerning His body in the passage you quoted of 46 years they built…what is “His body” I will raise REBUILD in three days? It could be that body placed in the tomb, or it could be the rebuilding of “His body” His Church, where Very clearly the words says “it grows up” edified and built, lifted up in Christ, a more perfect tabernacle for an habitation (the abode) of God.

to me it is significant the wording “for there a tabernacle prepared, the outer one…” which unless I’ve misunderstood is called an “earthly sanctuary” as in the “outer man” (perishes) or the first man Adam…also he is not a Jew who is a Jew outwardly, that is to say in the flesh…but he who is a Jew inwardly, that is to say In Spirit…Alive unto God. Inwardly reconciled to offer up praises and worship unto God, crucified “outer”

“This the Holy Spirit [is] Signifying the WAY (where Christ said He is the way, the Life where no one comes to the Father but by Him, not by the outer earthly tabernacle with its regulations but by the “Last Adam” a heavenly tabernacle which is not of this world) the Holy Spirit signifies this way “inwardly” has not yet been disclosed while “the outer earthly tabernacle” is still standing, which “outward tabernacle” the “outer man” is a symbol which makes none perfect. BUT when Christ appeared(the Last Adam), what had not yet been disclosed while “the outer tabernacle stood” by His appearing it IS disclosed …Christ as a HIGH PRIEST entered in through, not the outer man but the inward man, not by the outer earthly tabernacle but through (the second in that which was first is earthly, but that which is last (Christ) is Heavenly)where He entered into “that which is Holiness unto God” the inward man…disclosed …or appeared … where what Tabernacle from the going forth from the command to “rebuild” “edify” “perfect” is being rebuilt?

I get that is a lot of round and round …but if there is one thing considered …maybe it would be the question: what is outer tabernacle? even going as far as telling us the nature of this outer earthly tabernacle in: thievery, boasting, lying, cheating, divisions, murmuring, lust, pride and killing of brother. Significant to me is that first outer tabernacle and the Last where Christ said He is the Last, a more perfect Tabernacle not made with Hands. When He said I will raise this Tabernacle “My body” up, we take that to mean to be lifted and “seated in Heavenly places in Christ” the Way and Last Tabernacle disclosed and revealed: why else is it called “The Revelation of Jesus Christ” not given of man but “revealed” of the Father from above?[/

thank you for sharing about their saying it took them 46 years. I do not understand numbers or rarely pay attention to them…(your post caused me to notice) is it only random that Christ finished it in saying in 3 days. Is it random that where their 46 is short of 49, needful of the 3 days?

Your post makes me think of what I was reading yesterday morning:

Now even the first [covenant] had regulations of divine worship and the earthly sanctuary. for there a tabernacle prepared, the outer one (Adam) in which …

the priests are continually entering the outer tabernacle performing divine worship…

—to clarify why this stands out to me regarding what is being rebuilt …even what the command going forth to rebuild…to rebuild what? To me, wrong or right, what is commanded to be “built up” is Love, and signified by the Holy Spirit, the rebuilding of what has been wasted or destroyed is: people. Rebuild, again wrong or right, is edification or perfecting and the topic is not stone walls but a restoring of Love for God and for brother. In no way can (can I see how) the building walls of brick and mortar can be edified but instead those housed within, which is His body. Not “the outer” earthly tabernacle but what is inward and not of this world.

Especially with Paul’s saying if he rebuilds that which he destroyed, then he makes himself a transgressor. Where speaking of tabernacles, even with Jesus Christ speaking to them concerning His body in the passage you quoted of 46 years they built…what is “His body” I will raise REBUILD in three days? It could be that body placed in the tomb, or it could be the rebuilding of “His body” His Church, where Very clearly the words says “it grows up” edified and built, lifted up in Christ, a more perfect tabernacle for an habitation (the abode) of God.

to me it is significant the wording “for there a tabernacle prepared, the outer one…” which unless I’ve misunderstood is called an “earthly sanctuary” as in the “outer man” (perishes) or the first man Adam…also he is not a Jew who is a Jew outwardly, that is to say in the flesh…but he who is a Jew inwardly, that is to say In Spirit…Alive unto God. Inwardly reconciled to offer up praises and worship unto God, crucified “outer”

“This the Holy Spirit [is] Signifying the WAY (where Christ said He is the way, the Life where no one comes to the Father but by Him, not by the outer earthly tabernacle with its regulations but by the “Last Adam” a heavenly tabernacle which is not of this world) the Holy Spirit signifies this way “inwardly” has not yet been disclosed while “the outer earthly tabernacle” is still standing, which “outward tabernacle” the “outer man” is a symbol which makes none perfect. BUT when Christ appeared(the Last Adam), what had not yet been disclosed while “the outer tabernacle stood” by His appearing it IS disclosed …Christ as a HIGH PRIEST entered in through, not the outer man but the inward man, not by the outer earthly tabernacle but through (the second in that which was first is earthly, but that which is last (Christ) is Heavenly)where He entered into “that which is Holiness unto God” the inward man…disclosed …or appeared … where what Tabernacle from the going forth from the command to “rebuild” “edify” “perfect” is being rebuilt?

I get that is a lot of round and round …but if there is one thing considered …maybe it would be the question: what is outer tabernacle? even going as far as telling us the nature of this outer earthly tabernacle in: thievery, boasting, lying, cheating, divisions, murmuring, lust, pride and killing of brother. Significant to me is that first outer tabernacle and the Last where Christ said He is the Last, a more perfect Tabernacle not made with Hands. When He said I will raise this Tabernacle “My body” up, we take that to mean to be lifted and “seated in Heavenly places in Christ” the Way and Last Tabernacle disclosed and revealed: why else is it called “The Revelation of Jesus Christ” not given of man but “revealed” of the Father from above?

Hi Victory, I hear what you are saying in the Spirit, and it's good to apply His words to us "by His Spirit"- KJV- Zechariah 4:6.
Many don't and become mechanical literalists, being good for only grammatical precision, and that's about it.

However in my recent posts, I am showing the reality in time for the prophecy of the Seventy Weeks in Daniel 9 as being 99% about Jesus and the work that He had to
"Finish", of which He said that He did, in His own words: "It is finished".
John.17[4] I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
John.19[30] When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Unfortunately, not many know why Jesus pointed to those "Seventy weeks", and have instead CHANGED the words, and therefore changed the details of meaning of Daniel 9:24-27.
Altogether, they are now on Mr. Tare's Train into Church-ianity's Fantasy Land.

 

[Earburner]

Daniel's (Little Horn)

This "Future" figure will be present on earth to see the (Second Coming) of Jesus Christ and final judgement, as this figure will be slain by Jesus Christ and cast into the lake of fire (Future) unfulfilled

"Future" (Second Coming, Final Judgement) Below

Daniel 7:8-11KJV
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

It's amazing how all of your focus on Daniel, is futuristic of the Lord's RETURN, and not one peep from you about Jesus' first appearance.
One would think that God the Father would be all excited in 538BC to exclaim through his prophets of the wonderful works that He was prepared to do for us, through His Eternal Son's grand appearance into the world, in the likeness of our flesh, through a VIRGIN? A miracle, and with many to follow, but according to you, God is only interested in telling about His Son's return, without ever revealing once WHO HE IS in His first appearance??
The greatest sacrifice that anyone could do for someone else (agape love), but then also know in advance that the Jews would IGNORE and REJECT it, and go back to slaughtering animals for forgiveness of sin?
You have the cart before the horse.

 

[Truth7t7]

It's amazing how all of your focus on Daniel, is futuristic of the Lord's RETURN, and not one peep from you about Jesus' first appearance.
One would think that God the Father would be all excited in 538BC to exclaim through his prophets of the wonderful works that He was prepared to do for us, through His Eternal Son's grand appearance into the world, in the likeness of our flesh, through a VIRGIN? A miracle, and with many to follow, but according to you, God is only interested in telling about His Son's return, without ever revealing once WHO HE IS in His first appearance??
The greatest sacrifice that anyone could do for someone else (agape love), but then also know in advance that the Jews would IGNORE and REJECT it, and go back to slaughtering animals for forgiveness of sin?
You have the cart before the horse.

It's amazing how you disregard the fact that the bad guy seen in Daniel 9:27, will be present on earth making abomination and desolation until the "Consummation" or "Ultimate End" future unfulfilled

 

[Earburner]

It's amazing how you disregard the fact that the bad guy seen in Daniel 9:27, will be present on earth making abomination and desolation until the "Consummation" or "Ultimate End" future unfulfilled

Like I said, you have hooked up with the view that you have, because you see (have been led to believe) that the word "he" in 9:27 is speaking of what the "tares" in church-ianity have conjured up!

I perceive, with OT and NT scripture, that the word "he" in 9:27, is speaking of Jesus 99% of the time in Daniel 9:24-27.
Here are two reasons why, and it's from Jesus' own mouth:
John.5[39] Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

John.15[26] But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

 

[Earburner]

^ So, what do we have here, that is supportive of my understanding about the truth that is revealed in the 70 weeks?
Both the scriptures and the Holy Spirit testify that the truthful interpretation is mainly about Jesus.

 

[Truth7t7]

I perceive, with OT and NT scripture, that the word "he" in 9:27, is speaking of Jesus 99% of the time in Daniel 9:24-27.
Here are two reasons why, and it's from Jesus' own mouth:
John.5[39] Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

John.15[26] But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

The "he" in Daniel 9:27 below isnt Jesus Christ as you claim, as Jesus dosent make evil in abomination and desolation as seen

This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[Naomi25]

Ok then, to be more exacting, why did Jesus say: "it is finished??

What did Jesus' word "finished" reference to?
Ans. KJV Daniel 9:24
"...to finish the transgression,
And ALL His work for the other "and to(s)" in that verse.

Sure, I’d agree that Jesus’ words “it is finished” could be a reference back to Daniel 24 and the prophecy that he will “finish the transgression, put an end to sin and to atone for iniquity”.
Except…both Daniel 9:24 and “it is finished” are about Christ and HIS work in redemption and forgiveness. Forgiveness towards us….sinners.
Matt 18 is about Christians dealing with sin, hurt and forgiveness within the body of believers. Does our forgiveness of others “finish transgressions”? Does it “put an end to sin and atone for iniquity”? Can we forgive a brother and then cry out “it is finished!” No…not really…because, as Jesus tells us, that brother is likely to need forgiving again and again. WE are likely to need forgiving again and again. And the REASON we extend such ongoing forgiveness is explained to us within the parable…because our Master has already forgiven us a much larger debt.

So…in short: I still think you’re missing the context. Dan 9 and “it is finished” may be connected. But Matt 18 is a practical passage about forgiveness within the body.

 

[Naomi25]

Matthew was written primarily to minister to the Jews. It even begins with a genealogy, which was of great importance to the Jews. Although it has a message for all, these prophecies concern Israel. Matthew 24 discusses the end times relative to the Jews. These end time scriptures you have presented in Matthew, view the remnant Israel still on earth after the rapture. "Every eye will see Him" and they will mourn, realizing their error of rejecting Jesus. And this event happens right after the rapture - IMHO. According to Rom. 11, they will be saved, but likely will have to endure the Great Tribulation entirely.

It’s possible some of Matt 24 (and corresponding passages in Mark and Luke) are aimed solely at the Jews…there are certainly some references that stand out in that regard “your people, your city”…that sort of thing. One might argue that fulfilment was seen in 70AD…and I’m inclined to think partially it was. But I also believe we will see a fuller fulfilment of it in the future…and yes, Romans 11 will come into play once “the fullness of the Gentiles” has come in.

 

[Waiting on him]

Matt 18 is about Christians dealing with sin, hurt and forgiveness within the body of believers.

How would there be christians prior to the gifting of the Holy Ghost?

 

[Waiting on him]

The "he" in Daniel 9:27 below isnt Jesus Christ as you claim, as Jesus dosent make evil in abomination and desolation as seen

This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The consummation happened at Pentecost, and as far as Jesus not making evil and abomination and such…… He told the unconverted point blank it was because of the fact that they knew not the day of there visitation that their house was left to them desolate.

Luke 23:28 KJV
[28] But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.