Seriously I can't see myself going to forums where I don't understand the language and trying to correct others.Simple language mistake mate...
So that is your final wording? :huh:
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Seriously I can't see myself going to forums where I don't understand the language and trying to correct others.Simple language mistake mate...
So that is your final wording? :huh:
Who said that i do not understand the simple English that you are verbally communicating with? It’s not my home language, but that does not mean i do not understand it. And when im right, I am certainly able to correct the fault.
Seriously I can't see myself going to forums where I don't understand the language and trying to correct others.
Please take this matter up with Tom. Should be interesting.Back to Topic: There is not much to debate about when the area under discussion is subject to the rApture, because what is stated is what is going to occur. Our views may differ, but in the end it is not our views that makes a single ounce of difference, is it?
Please take this matter up with Tom. Should be interesting.
Sounds like you're saying YOUR belief is exactly right and anyone who believes different is going to Hell. Utterly ridiculous.
Warned about what? That your doctrine is perfect and you appointed yourself as God's spokesman? I'm saved by grace through faith in Jesus, not by your doctrine.
When all is said and done you will find that all those whose Savior is Jesus/God will be eternally saved whether they agree with your or my viewpoint on the 'rapture' or not. It is not a matter of salvation as you guys are trying to make it.
When all is said and done you will find that all those whose Savior is Jesus/God will be eternally saved whether they agree with your or my viewpoint on the 'rapture' or not. It is not a matter of salvation as you guys are trying to make it.
The end of this world is going to happen how God says in His Word. Following men's doctrines and traditions is not a sign of that.
How about doctrines of demons?
1 Timothy 4:1 (ESV)
[sup]1 [/sup]Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,
If you want to talk about them, "teachings of demons," you should start a new topic. They are being taught or have been taught on this forum and "the rapture" is only one of them.
Which means?The phrase "the coming" in verse 15 is singular, meaning one event.
Does anyone here believe there will be a resurrection some day ??
I expect most would say yes.
At the time of the resurrection , will there be living believers ??
I expect most of us would say yes.
How do they get new bodies similar to the resurrected saints??
What will the Lord do ?? How will He do it ??
If the Lord can take a completely decayed , thousand year old body from the grave, and resurrected it to be brand new and eternal ...... do you think He could take a living body and change it as well ???
If so , what would you call the event of transforming living bodies ???
Use whatever terminology you want is just fine. In modern day it is often referred to as the rapture. It drives some folks nuts to try to accept that , but in my opinion they were half way to the nuthouse anyway with their hair-brained anti-rapture ideas.
It troubles me how many Christians can be so far out to lunch , yet convince themselves they are experts of some kind. No wonder people keep an arms length from confused people who pretend to fly under the Christian banner.These endless arguments are never beneficial to Christianity.
The rapture is a factual event predicted in scripture. The timing of it is uncertain. Get over it folks. Thanks.
You will find a lot of folks who cannot handle this information .... however they boast they can handle the Anti-Christ . Nuthouse theology knows no bounds.
But the pre-trib doctrine ideas have been in constant change since they began even only in the 1800's. The original pre-trib doctrine preached that only those in Christ would see the sign of His coming, and the unsaved would not know, which is the idea of a 'secret' rapture. Later, the pre-trib schools dropped that idea, and now are trying to disassociate themselves from its history altogether. The real evidence of "Nuthouse theology" doctrine is with the pre-trib doctrines.
Does anyone here believe there will be a resurrection some day ??
I expect most would say yes.
At the time of the resurrection , will there be living believers ??
I expect most of us would say yes.
How do they get new bodies similar to the resurrected saints??
What will the Lord do ?? How will He do it ??
If the Lord can take a completely decayed , thousand year old body from the grave, and resurrected it to be brand new and eternal ...... do you think He could take a living body and change it as well ???
If so , what would you call the event of transforming living bodies ???
Use whatever terminology you want is just fine. In modern day it is often referred to as the rapture. It drives some folks nuts to try to accept that , but in my opinion they were half way to the nuthouse anyway with their hair-brained anti-rapture ideas.
It troubles me how many Christians can be so far out to lunch , yet convince themselves they are experts of some kind. No wonder people keep an arms length from confused people who pretend to fly under the Christian banner.These endless arguments are never beneficial to Christianity.
The rapture is a factual event predicted in scripture. The timing of it is uncertain. Get over it folks. Thanks.
You will find a lot of folks who cannot handle this information .... however they boast they can handle the Anti-Christ . Nuthouse theology knows no bounds.
Nuthouse theology....
[sup]3[/sup]Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
[sup]4[/sup]And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.- 2 Peter 3:3,4
You sir are a scoffer.
It means that the elect are gathered at the second coming which is after the tribulation, just as the Bible says. The pretrib position states that the rapture and the second coming are two separate events. The passage in Thessalonians that you posted to support a pretrib rapture, that those who are alive and remain are to be "caught up" to meet the Lord in the air, is referring to the second coming, which is after the tribulation.
Which means?