Catholic issues

[Marymog]

I do as the Bereans do. And verify with scripture that what the person, people, or church is telling me. I don't just BLINDLY follow people. because they claim to be the church.

The Bereans didn't read Scripture to verify Scripture. They read Scripture to verify what Paul was telling them. That is LITERALLY what those passages say and you keep twisting it: 2 Peter 3:16

 

[Taken]

What church do you go to so that you can fulfil Matthew 18:15-17 EG? I have a church to go to. Do you?

Just asked you your take about Matt 18:15:-17 .... why no answer?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Ok...I can name the elder of my church that I can call. I can also give you a name of the church from which he will come from. Can you?

Sooooooo you finally admitted it. You do call MEN you trust to "correctly interpret the word"!!! And you have been criticizing me all this time for listening to men.....

Maam, You need to go to confession

You lie about what others say more than almost anyone I know

I never said I listen to men. You asked me who I would call if someone was sick. How do you get that to meaning I listen blindly to what they teach?

it is sad you are so desperate to prove yourself right you have to like about others.

This just further proves to others you are not to be trusted.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The Bereans didn't read Scripture to verify Scripture. They read Scripture to verify what Paul was telling them. That is LITERALLY what those passages say and you keep twisting it: 2 Peter 3:16

I never said they read it to verify scripture

IF THEY TRUSTED PAUL BLINDLY. THEY WOULD NOT NEED TO LOOK AT SCRIPTURE. THEY WOULD JUST TAKE PAUL AT HIS WORD.

and yes, I am yelling, I have never seen someone twist what is being said and sdo whatever she can to try to bring it to her favor.

 

[Berserk]

Its amazing, that Jesus mentions baptism in Mark 16. Yet in the very conversation with Nicodemus in John 3, where he tells him HOW to be born again, he totally forgets to mention the word.

I guess Jesus forgot.

Since in Mark 16:16 Jesus identifies baptism as a condition for salvation, He righty takes for granted that His hearers would understand "born of water" the same way. I repeat: much to your chagrin you cannot find a single example for the use of "born of water" in any other sense. What is truly amazing is that Jesus would tell Nicodemus he needs to be "born of the Spirit" when the Spirit would not be given until the Day of Pentecost long after the Resurrection

 

[Illuminator]

I never said they read it to verify scripture

IF THEY TRUSTED PAUL BLINDLY. THEY WOULD NOT NEED TO LOOK AT SCRIPTURE. THEY WOULD JUST TAKE PAUL AT HIS WORD.

and yes, I am yelling, I have never seen someone twist what is being said and sdo whatever she can to try to bring it to her favor.

We think that Paul's spoken word is the Word of God, just like the written word is the Word of God. Just because the MEANS OF TRANSMISSION is different, it does not automatically mean that Paul's spoken word is inferior to the Scriptures the Bereans searched. That is the point you don't get.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

We think that Paul's spoken word is the Word of God, just like the written word is the Word of God. Just because the MEANS OF TRANSMISSION is different, it does not automatically mean that Paul's spoken word is inferior to the Scriptures the Bereans searched. That is the point you don't get.

Paul WROTE SCRIPTURE

So I Sam pretty sure he spoke the word also

But still THEY DID NOT BLINDLY FOLLOW PAUL

They went to the ONLY TRUSTED SOURCE to TEST WHAT HE WAS SAYING.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Since in Mark 16:16 Jesus identifies baptism as a condition for salvation, He righty takes for granted that His hearers would understand "born of water" the same way. I repeat: much to your chagrin you cannot find a single example for the use of "born of water" in any other sense. What is truly amazing is that Jesus would tell Nicodemus he needs to be "born of the Spirit" when the Spirit would not be given until the Day of Pentecost long after the Resurrection

Jesus did not contradict himself number 1, If water baptism was required. He would have said so in so many areas where he gave the gospel. Even in John 3. When he told nicodemus HOW to be born again, he surely would have mentioned it.

You can;t make a doctrine based on one passage.

For one. The passage and other things said in it is questionable as truly being scripture

Second. Even if it is scripture. Everyone who is born again has been baptized by the spirit. Just because he said baptised. Does not automatically mean water. Everyone needs to interpret the greek word. Not the English defenition which was given to an english word which did not exist before the english translation of the word.

 

[Marymog]

I never said I listen to men.

quote: I call people who can be trusted to correctly interpret the word also..

Soooo you call "people" to "correctly interpret the word" but you don't "listen" to them when they tell you what they think the proper interpretation is????

YOU wrote those words OR someone hacked your account and wrote them for you! Which is it EG?

 

[Marymog]

Maam, You need to go to confession

You lie about what others say more than almost anyone I know

You asked me who I would call if someone was sick.

it is sad you are so desperate to prove yourself right you have to like about others.

This just further proves to others you are not to be trusted.

Sooooooo who you gonna call when someone is sick?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

quote: I call people who can be trusted to correctly interpret the word also..

Soooo you call "people" to "correctly interpret the word" but you don't "listen" to them when they tell you what they think the proper interpretation is????

YOU wrote those words OR someone hacked your account and wrote them for you! Which is it EG?

Excuse me

But where did I say I listen to them blindly and put their word equal or above scripture?

All od us are going to go or call people we trust. Thats different that blindly following people

I love how you twist and turn what people say to try to bring it to your way of thinking

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Sooooooo who you gonna call when someone is sick?

I call everyone in my body and start a prayer group. Be it elders, or the janitor.

And we have seen many a miracle in prayer. Where two or three people are gathhered

 

[Marymog]

Its amazing, that Jesus mentions baptism in Mark 16. Yet in the very conversation with Nicodemus in John 3, where he tells him HOW to be born again, he totally forgets to mention the word.

I guess Jesus forgot.

Hey EG,

You do know that the event in Mark 16 happened AFTER the conversation with Nicodemus in John 3? Sooooo help me out with your theory here.

Here is the sequence of events In John 3: Jesus is baptized, in water and the Spirit descends upon him.

He then tells Nicodemus one must be born again with water and Spirit.

Jesus and his Apostles then go into the countryside and baptize with water. The Apostles teach that you receive the gift of the Holy Spirit when you are baptized!

But your men have taught you that water (H20) doesn't mean water in his conversation with Nicodemus but it does mean water in the two events before and after that. Soooooo either Scripture is very confusing or your men are confused.....

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Hey EG,

You do know that the event in Mark 16 happened AFTER the conversation with Nicodemus in John 3? Sooooo help me out with your theory here.

Hey mary you know jesus had the same conversation in Matt and he failed to mention the word baptism at all?

So why is it that Jesus did not mention it in John 3. Or any of the other gospel.

But we find it all of a sudden mentioned in a passage where Jesus said people will drink poison and not die and get bitten by snakes and not die (a fact that has been proven to be inaccurate all through the church age)

Can you explain that?

Here is the sequence of events In John 3: Jesus is baptized, in water and the Spirit descends upon him.

He then tells Nicodemus one must be born again with water and Spirit.

Jesus and his Apostles then go into the countryside and baptize with water. The Apostles teach that you receive the gift of the Holy Spirit when you are baptized!

But your men have taught you that water (H20) doesn't mean water in his conversation with Nicodemus but it does mean water in the two events before and after that. Soooooo either Scripture is very confusing or your men are confused.....

1. You assume Nicodemus was there

2. You still refuse to respond as to WHY jesus, when he told nicodemus HOW to be born again, Only mentions faith (he who believes) and fails to mention baptism?

You also totally ignore the fact that the same John the Baptist baptized in water because of remission. But one who is mightier than him will come. He will Baptize with the HS and fire.

The same nicodemus could have heard this also.

Jesus also told nicodemus, that this new birth was a spiritual thing, a spiritual matter, not a physical one. So why would nicodemus interpret jesus to be speaking of a physical act of being born again and not a spiritual one?

 

[Marymog]

Hey mary you know jesus had the same conversation in Matt and he failed to mention the word baptism at all?

No, I did not know that. What passage did he have the same conversation about water and Spirit in Matthew? Teach me....

 

[Behold]

yep water

every seen a woman who gives birth. Their water breaks
This is called being born in the flesh.
Why can't you see it?

She's been trained by the "cult of the virgin" not to see it.

 

[Marymog]

So why is it that Jesus did not mention it in John 3. Or any of the other gospel.

Jesus did mention baptism in The Great Commision. What did he mean when he said that?

Jesus told his Apostles: “Whoever listens to you listens to me, and whoever rejects you rejects me, and whoever rejects me rejects the one who sent me.”

Even if I were to accept what your men have taught you, that Jesus didn't teach water baptism at all or mean water baptism in John 3:5, the Apostles taught it and practiced it and said water baptism brings you the gift of the Holy Spirit. Sooooo I will not reject what the Apostles teach because if I reject them I reject Him. I simply reject your men.

 

[Marymog]

1. You assume Nicodemus was there

2. You still refuse to respond as to WHY jesus, when he told nicodemus HOW to be born again, Only mentions faith (he who believes) and fails to mention baptism?

You also totally ignore the fact that the same John the Baptist baptized in water because of remission. But one who is mightier than him will come. He will Baptize with the HS and fire.

The same nicodemus could have heard this also.

Jesus also told nicodemus, that this new birth was a spiritual thing, a spiritual matter, not a physical one. So why would nicodemus interpret jesus to be speaking of a physical act of being born again and not a spiritual one?

Nope, I don't assume Nicodemus was there. I assume what the bible eludes to and I have already been over that.

Another lie. I have responded to it multiple times. Your theory is that since He didn't use the word baptism He didn't mean baptism. I accept what has been taught for 2,000 years. You reject it. We have talked about this already.

Goodness....

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No, I did not know that. What passage did he have the same conversation about water and Spirit in Matthew? Teach me....

Excuse me, John, Numerous times he said whoever believes will never die and have eternal life, the defenition of salvation.

John 3
For God so loved the world, he gave his only son, that whoever believes in him will never perish but has eternal life

Whoever believes is not condemned, whoever does not believe is condemned already

He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

John 5:
“Most assuredly, I say to you, he whohears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life

John 6:
And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he whobelieves in Me shall never thirst.

Most assuredly, I say to you, he whobelieves in Me has everlasting life.

John 7:
He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water

John 11:
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.

I mean I do not know. Maybe John did not get the must be baptized also memo??

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Jesus did mention baptism in The Great Commision. What did he mean when he said that?

BAPTIZE THEM

They were to be made disciples first. Then baptize them

It does not refute what I am saying.

Jesus told his Apostles: “Whoever listens to you listens to me, and whoever rejects you rejects me, and whoever rejects me rejects the one who sent me.”

He told the apostles that, Men who would go to write scripture.

He did nto tell people that do not properly preach the word of God that.

Even if I were to accept what your men have taught you, that Jesus didn't teach water baptism at all or mean water baptism in John 3:5, the Apostles taught it and practiced it and said water baptism brings you the gift of the Holy Spirit. Sooooo I will not reject what the Apostles teach because if I reject them I reject Him. I simply reject your men.

Men have not taught me anything my friend. You need to stop with the brainwashing you have been given (forgive me, But every excuse or argument you make is a programmed one. Every catholic makes the same arguments, Its ok though. Catholics are not the only ones who do this. So your not alone)

As for baptism. You have not even been baptised. Please do not try to teach me about being “baptizo” (greek) when you have not even done it.