Brakelite
Well-Known Member
Who do you think I am that you believe I can put the Son anywhere? It was the Father who sent His only begotten Son in His place. To represent the Father and die. It was the Father who gave His Son all things, one of those things being equality in authority (all authority...KJV John 5:26-30 26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; 27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. 28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. 30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.if you believe that Jesus is equal to Yahweh, you have still put another God (not “god”) in the Father’s place.
I am not doing what you believe I am doing. I am not claiming equality in rank. But everything the Father has in manner of life, power, authority, holiness, title, the Son has received by inheritance... Because He is His Father's Son. That makes the Son equal. It isn't me making Him anything.
Tell that to the Father... He said otherwise .... God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.There is only one “ho theos”....other divine or god-like beings do not have the definite article and are hence “a god” not “the God”.
What is that more excellent name???
KJV Hebrews 1:6, 8
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
I have no issue with the Father being the God of Jesus. I do have an issue when you respond without reading what I'm actually saying. In Hebrews 1 the Father is presenting the Son before the whole angelic host, and explaining the Son's true identity. Previous to this they knew the Son as their commander and Lord. The Son was content with His position. The time had come for His true relation to the Father to be revealed. Not a created being, but the beginning, that instigator of all creation, including the angels and the universe. It is assumption on the part of Arians such as yourself to designate the Son as created. We are not told in scripture How the Son was brought forth. We are not informed of the details of His beginnings, but what we are told is that yes, as you quoted, He was the beginning of the creation of all things.Even in heaven the Father is still the God of Jesus. (Revelation 3:12, written at the end of the first century) has Jesus making promises in connection with his "God"....how does that in any way = equality?
KJV 1 Corinthians 8:6 6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Christ is the literal Son of God. A Son having the same nature, and therefore God. Inherited yes, but worthy of worship in the highest sense. You think it not demeaning to think the Son was created? You deny His Sonship. If that isn't demeaning, nothing is.