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Sorry Robbie, but all of that was written by Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, not by God. Now you're believing men instead of God. You're contradicting yourself.my belief is that the life of Jesus before dying on the cross is a perfect revelation of the Father and when He speaks it is God speaking...
Enough of playing the victim. I hope God forgives you for using your axe on His Word.I'm really hoping for the best for you guys... but consider the dust shaken... FHII.. Duckybill... Groundzero and Rach know that I won't be responding to any of you guys as you're now all hidden... but seriously... may the morning star rise in all of your hearts... and know this... I don't condemn any of you... I hope the Father forgives you all... and blesses you all... even though right now I'm feeling pretty angry about all the lies and manipulative false accusations that you've brought against me... but heck... it's pretty much the experience I've had when dealing with religious people from day one... as it was with Christ... so it is with all the children of the free woman...
You're a liar Rach... Show me where I said that what Jesus said before His death on the cross didn't count you liar... the Lord rebuke you... my belief is that the life of Jesus before dying on the cross is a perfect revelation of the Father and when He speaks it is God speaking... I would never say what you say I said... also I never said, "I'm equal to Christ'... He's the name above all other names... I'm nothing... so you bare false witness and make stuff up I never said... and I'm done with you already...
The side you're seeing of me is the side you've made up as you continue to bare false witness against me... I expect you to prove that I said that what Christ said before He died on the cross doesn't count or I expect a public apology from you or else the moderators need to deal with your false accusation... I'm over your lies...
The Lord seriously rebuke you...
"Thanks for the reference from before Christ died on the cross... but guess what... Good News!!! a couple things have changed since then... haha " (post #322)
"I don't need the bible to understand this Rach... you do... that's why I'm using the bible... the same way Jesus didn't need the scriptures in order to understand the things of God because He has God's Spirit... but He used them for those that wouldn't have acknowledged Him otherwise... as it is with you...
Nobody knows the things of God except the Spirit of God... we who have received the Spirit of God have the mind of Christ...
But the things of the Spirit are foolishness to those that don't have it..." (post #335)
Robbie, how old are you?
What I honestly have a hard time understanding is why it feels to me that God is hell-bent on sending me to hell?
I was going to use a more philosophical, intellectual title to address this matter, but the bible itself says of itself that it is so simple that a fool shouldn't err. So, like a child, I'm keeping it simple, because there really is no other way to put it.
I was born and raised in the pentecostal church. I no longer claim Christianity, but in my search for knowing God, I still listen to sermons. The sermons I listen to are usually by black hellfire and brimstone preachers, because that;s what I'm most familiar with. I don't know if you're familiar with a man named G Craig Lewis. But if you are, then you have an idea of the type of ministers I listen to. What I honestly have a hard time understanding is why it feels to me that God is hell-bent on sending me to hell?
You might think that I'm exaggerating when I make this statement, but I am by no means being overdramatic. I try very hard to believe that when these preachers say "God loves you but hates your sin," that they mean it. I try with everything within me to believe that these people really love me. But I have to be honest. I have never felt love coming from these preachers. I always feel that they are just saying what they have been taught to say, if they aren't just in it for the show. I do believe that some of them are genuine and sincere. But you can also be sincerely wrong.
even all of these testimonies I have ben hearing over the years of people who died and went to hell, and were brought back to tell about it. I listen closely, and what I gather is that it is very hard to make it into Heaven. And I don;t undertand if God really wants people in Heaven, why He made it so hard to get in. It just doesn't seem right. It seems to me like He plays favorites. But why create people just to throw them in hell. It's almost like He enjoys it. Even many preacher talk as if they're glad there is a hell and glad you're going. It's like if you don't live up to THEIR standard (personal hidden agenda), you can't do anything right, and for that you ARE going to hell. I also don;t understand why God is so hard on homosexuals when He created the very biology that made them that way. And don;t tell me that they weren't born that way, because I am one.
Unless you have seen things through, of course, you cannot fully understand where I'm coming from, and most of this is just hot air to you. And this is another thing; Christians are poor listeners and bad at understanding. They just love to judge others so they can (secretly... and often unconsciously)feel better about themselves. I know this because I've spent my lifetime (29 years) around them. I've seen Christians of every kind, so I know what I'm talking about. But I would literally be here for a couple of days describing to you all of the contradictions I have observed throughout this exclusive belief system.
And as much as I want to know God and be His closest friend, I feel that He doesn't really want to get to know me, but is just out to play mind games with me. I'm not being irreverent or sacrilerious: I'm just being honest. It makes me not feel like praying, even though I want to. It makes me not want to read the bible, because it's full of contradictions (and don't tell me there aren't, when they are very blatant). God just seems, to me, to be the cruelest, most cold blooded, hard hearted, unforgiving, stone faced, dominating, ruthless, non caring, bi-polar, sadistic, spiteful, wicked terrorist of all time.
Have you seen this recent testimony of a girl, Angelica Zambrano, who claims to have gone to hell for 23 hours and saw Selena Quintanilla, Michael Jackson, and children in hell?
Apparently you didn't 'get it' even after listening to all those sermons.
THE LAW convicts of sin, while grace provides the ability to repent and accept Christ.
Simple.
That is the way of changing lives. It's worked for thousands of years because that's the way we are.
Have you ever served in the military?
The first thing that's done is to teach the ex-civilian that his way of thinking, acting, doing, and being are all wrong.
"There is the right way and the wrong way and the Marine way."
It is a new way of living from the clothing to the behavior to the goals set for behavior.
And no one EVER became a Marine until he completely and totally turned his back on his civilian life and ways.
Why is this method of training so successful? Because a change of life REQUIRES A CHANGE OF LIVIING.
The news that hell fire awaits ought to be a strong incentive to change one's life, behavior and outlook, unless one is a fool and desires to challenge God; the one who is the keeper of the door to the flames as well as the door to life.
It is never a surprise to hear the incessant prattlings of those who believe that God has somehow made a mistake with heaven and hell.
If we are to be judged accordingly, all would be consigned to the flames. That is justice for no one cares about or seeks God. Not a single soul.
But God is merciful in that He has mingled mercy with grace and has opened the book of life to some.
Apparently that's wrong too.
And no one EVER became a Marine until he completely and totally turned his back on his civilian life and ways.
Why is this method of training so successful? Because a change of life REQUIRES A CHANGE OF LIVIING.
Are you always in attack mode? That's pretty brutal Aspen. Where's the love???Would you kill your children for not believing in your view of God?
-Aspen
Are you always in attack mode? That's pretty brutal Aspen. Where's the love???
I was going to use a more philosophical, intellectual title to address this matter, but the bible itself says of itself that it is so simple that a fool shouldn't err. So, like a child, I'm keeping it simple, because there really is no other way to put it.
I was born and raised in the pentecostal church. I no longer claim Christianity, but in my search for knowing God, I still listen to sermons. The sermons I listen to are usually by black hellfire and brimstone preachers, because that;s what I'm most familiar with. I don't know if you're familiar with a man named G Craig Lewis. But if you are, then you have an idea of the type of ministers I listen to. What I honestly have a hard time understanding is why it feels to me that God is hell-bent on sending me to hell?
You might think that I'm exaggerating when I make this statement, but I am by no means being overdramatic. I try very hard to believe that when these preachers say "God loves you but hates your sin," that they mean it. I try with everything within me to believe that these people really love me. But I have to be honest. I have never felt love coming from these preachers. I always feel that they are just saying what they have been taught to say, if they aren't just in it for the show. I do believe that some of them are genuine and sincere. But you can also be sincerely wrong.
even all of these testimonies I have ben hearing over the years of people who died and went to hell, and were brought back to tell about it. I listen closely, and what I gather is that it is very hard to make it into Heaven. And I don;t undertand if God really wants people in Heaven, why He made it so hard to get in. It just doesn't seem right. It seems to me like He plays favorites. But why create people just to throw them in hell. It's almost like He enjoys it. Even many preacher talk as if they're glad there is a hell and glad you're going. It's like if you don't live up to THEIR standard (personal hidden agenda), you can't do anything right, and for that you ARE going to hell. I also don;t understand why God is so hard on homosexuals when He created the very biology that made them that way. And don;t tell me that they weren't born that way, because I am one.
Unless you have seen things through, of course, you cannot fully understand where I'm coming from, and most of this is just hot air to you. And this is another thing; Christians are poor listeners and bad at understanding. They just love to judge others so they can (secretly... and often unconsciously)feel better about themselves. I know this because I've spent my lifetime (29 years) around them. I've seen Christians of every kind, so I know what I'm talking about. But I would literally be here for a couple of days describing to you all of the contradictions I have observed throughout this exclusive belief system.
And as much as I want to know God and be His closest friend, I feel that He doesn't really want to get to know me, but is just out to play mind games with me. I'm not being irreverent or sacrilerious: I'm just being honest. It makes me not feel like praying, even though I want to. It makes me not want to read the bible, because it's full of contradictions (and don't tell me there aren't, when they are very blatant). God just seems, to me, to be the cruelest, most cold blooded, hard hearted, unforgiving, stone faced, dominating, ruthless, non caring, bi-polar, sadistic, spiteful, wicked terrorist of all time.
Have you seen this recent testimony of a girl, Angelica Zambrano, who claims to have gone to hell for 23 hours and saw Selena Quintanilla, Michael Jackson, and children in hell?
That's your opinion, since you give ZERO proof. Nothing new.People have been assassinating God's character for centuries. He has been maligned.
How about showing some love Aspen?
That's your opinion, since you give ZERO proof. Nothing new.
Just replying to YOUR comment: "Would you kill your children for not believing in your view of God?Is this your new witnessing tool for spreading your brutal gospel? Taunting Christians? Nice....
How about showing some love Aspen?
That's your opinion, since you give ZERO proof. Nothing new.
Just replying to YOUR comment: "Would you kill your children for not believing in your view of God?
-Aspen"
Where's the love that you are always demanding from others?
What interpretation??? The Genesis Flood is clearly taught is several places in the Bible. I.E.LOL....your private interpretation of scripture proves nothing Ducky. 'The Dwarfs are for the Dwarfs!' hahaha You could be sitting right in the middle of heaven hunkered down in a trench waiting for the enemy.....not having an inkling of where you are....safe in your own personal bunker of certainty....
What interpretation??? The Genesis Flood is clearly taught is several places in the Bible. I.E.
Matthew 24:37-39 (NKJV)
37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.
Are you calling Jesus a liar?