Eternally Grateful
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nothing should keep us from being friends.. We can agree to disagreeI accept!
Very kind of you.
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nothing should keep us from being friends.. We can agree to disagreeI accept!
Very kind of you.
“Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.” (Proverbs 27:6)
nothing should keep us from being friends.. We can agree to disagree
All you have done is spout a bunch of passages out of context
You said:your works based self righteous gospel.
Jesus never said whoever is not baptized will be condemned, but He did say whoever does not believe will be condemned. (Mark 16:16(b); John 3:18). So I DO believe in Jesus as the ALL- SUFFICIENT means of my salvation. You believe in your baptism for salvation and not in Jesus Christ alone for salvation.How many times are you going to contradict yourself?
First you say there is no obedience/works in salvation.
Now you are teaching there is obedience in salvation.
You dont seek Gods work on the cross to save you?
That's strange doctrine you have bought into Dan.
Faith onlyism is disobedient salvation.
True faith always includes obedience as James proved with Abraham.
Jesus taught true faith is believing in Him and all that He taught,
You do not believe or trust in His gospel, John 5:24; Mark 16:15-16.
Only those who believe in His word and in Him have hope of eternal life.
Jesus said He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved.
The latter part of the verse does not change Jesus' including baptism to be saved.
You are teaching the opposite of what Jesus said Sir,
He that believeth and is NOT baptized shall be saved.
You do not believe in Jesus.
Your signature is the definition of striving against the Law. The basis of your theology is "against the Law."
You said:The reality is "loving God is keeping his Commandments." 1 John 5:3
That is how God defines loving him.
But, you define it however you want.
Yet, you have not shown me how I have taken these verses out of context by pointing such said context out, friend.
This is merely your own stated opinion based on no evidence to support your claims.
The gospel message in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 is all about God’s grace (In our Initial Salvation and Foundational Salvation).
The gospel is believing that Christ died for our sins, He was buried, and He was risen the third day according to the Scriptures. The gospel is one key component in being saved by God's grace.
In being saved by God’s grace… it can also include seeking forgiveness of one’s sins with the Lord Jesus. But if a person is looking to justify sin, and they desire to sin and still be saved by having a belief alone in Jesus, they really are not sorry over their sins and or seeking forgiveness of their sins with the Lord in the correct way. They want to serve two masters and they don’t want to be broken before God by His mercy and grace. The gospel is trusting what Christ did for us so as to be cleansed of sin. If we still live unto sin, we are not honoring His sacrifice, His burial, and resurrection.
Anyways, when we look at the word “gospel” in the Bible (Note: I like to use BlueLetterBible for doing keyword searches like this), it can lead a person to think it has a wide variety of meanings. At this point in my life, I hold to the view that the gospel is only 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 (even though other verses appear to paint a different picture). I see believing the gospel in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 as one key component of being saved by God's grace (in our Initial Salvation and it is Foundational Belief we continue to hold on to).
I have provided an explanation on the verses (that use the word “gospel”) that appear to teach a different gospel than 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 here, here, and here. I am currently convinced the one and only gospel is 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.
In other words, I don't believe in a works based gospel because I believe the gospel is 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.
But when we take a step back and we look at the bigger picture of God's plan of salvation, I see...
The gospel message in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 is just one component of being saved by God's grace in our Initial Salvation and Foundational Salvation. In regards to man's responsibility: I see God's plan of salvation in two aspects.
eternal life is not some magic potion or religious term that can be thrown around
It means to LIVE FOREVER.
Jesus said whoever believed will NEVER DIE and has ETERNAL LIFE will live forever.
Either jesus meant it. Or he lied.
eternal life is not some magic potion or religious term that can be thrown around
It means to LIVE FOREVER.
Jesus said whoever believed will NEVER DIE and has ETERNAL LIFE will live forever.
Either jesus meant it. Or he lied.
Wrong I believe in Jesus and His gospel.Jesus never said whoever is not baptized will be condemned, but He did say whoever does not believe will be condemned. (Mark 16:16(b); John 3:18). So I DO believe in Jesus as the ALL- SUFFICIENT means of my salvation. You believe in your baptism for salvation and not in Jesus Christ alone for salvation.
I WAS SAVED
You said:YOU MIGHT BE SAVED
You said:I WAS SAVED BY GRACE
YOU ARE TRYING TO BE SAVED BY WORKS
You said:I WAS SAVED BY GOD
You said:YOUR TRYING TO SAVE YOURSELF
Huge difference between us two
You said:When I see God. I am going to fall on my face.. And when he asked why I deserve heaven, I am going to say I do not.. Only by your mercy.
So you earn salvation by being obedient?
So was I. I was first saved by God's grace in 1992.
YepHebrews 5:9
“And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;”
Thats works, not graceAny obedience to Jesus' gospel is a work.
1John 3:23-24, work of righteousness
Acts 17:30 work of righteousness.
God only accepts those who work righteousness,
Acts 10:35.
Those works of righteousness are keeping Gods commandments,
Psalm 119:172
To be in Christ is the only place for salvation,
In Christ is where all the spiritual blessings are,
Ephesians 1:1
No one gets into Christ without obeying Him,
There is no salvation unless we believe and obey,
Galatians 3:26-27
Acts 2:40Thats works, not grace
why would you reject grace and try to save yourself?
Why do you think you CAN save yourself??
Yep
I obeyed him 40 years ago. By being like the tax collector not like the pharisee.
You appear to have yet to obey him
Read Acts 9:6,Thats works, not grace
why would you reject grace and try to save yourself?
Why do you think you CAN save yourself??
Eternally Grateful said:So you earn salvation by being obedient?
Bible Highlighter said:Hebrews 5:9
“And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;”
Yep
I obeyed him 40 years ago. By being like the tax collector not like the pharisee.
You appear to have yet to obey him