Once Saved, Always Saved?

[Lifelong_sinner]

If you believe to the day you die, you shall be saved them.
Want a guaranteed trip to hell, STOP believing.
Want a guaranteed of Salvation, become converted and saved now.

thats not how it works. You can believe everyday you’re alive and still not be saved. I grew up in the church, got baptized, the whole nine yards. Yet im not saved. Even demons believe, belief aint cutting it. And belief isnt what converts you. This is why judgement day will be so bad for so many. The majority of mankind will end up in hell. There will be millions who were baptized, went to church, who didnt smoke or curse or commit adultery, or steal, lie, or cheat in hell. I dont think most understand how difficult it is to get saved. And the reason for that is simple. Because there is nothing we can do to get saved. Salvation is a gift that God only grants the few.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

IF you are converted.......your body is dead...or your conversion was a fraud.

Why are you STILL trying to blot out sins of a DEAD BODY?

Please elaborate.....talk like you were talking to a five year old if necessary —-I want to try to understand the point that you are trying to make...you make no sense to me

 

[BloodBought 1953]

If you believe to the day you die, you shall be saved them.
Want a guaranteed trip to hell, STOP believing.
Want a guaranteed of Salvation, become converted and saved now.

Any and ALL Believers have qualified for the Promises Of God the “instant” that they become Saved.....here is just one....” If you hear my word and Believe in the One that sent me, you ALREADy HAVE Eternal Life and shall NEVER come under Condemnation—- you have already passed from Death to Life”.....
Do you know what that word “ NEVER” means? Obviously not....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

No, I get all that. Most of us Christians do. What I'm asking is why in your doctrine is God's grace powerful enough to keep the 'Christian' saved if they go back to no longer believing and trusting in Christ, but that same grace is too weak to keep them from going back to unbelief.

Sorry.....asked and answered .Forgiveness for a “ Sealed” Believer even if they have a “ BIG -TIME” Stumble into Extreme Error is the Fulfillment Of a Promise (“Anybody That ASKS to be Saved WILL BE Saved”) .....”Weak” Grace , which is Non-Existant, plays no part in the exercise of a Free Will That would allow one to fall into Error .....Such people will probably be brought to Correct Thinking before they die....if not—- THAT is where “ Grace” will kick it.....it’s not called “Amazing” for no reason....
The man that NEVER had a Second of Belief in his life is without hope .....Anybody that “ did” have a period of Belief—- no matter how short it was—- Still can depend on the Promises Of God ....the keeping of God's Word infinitely trumps letting the biggest scoundrel that ever breathed air enter Heaven....God will keep His Word NO MATTER WHAT....No matter what happens, God has Promised to “ FINISH” the Good Work That He started”...... Once again, to put it rather crudely—- God made the Promise—— The Monkey is on “ His” Back....He CAN and WILL handle it.....despite a Believer’s Stupidity and Falling into extremely serious Error.....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

i’ll answer this, yes. Baptism does not save. There will be millions of baptized people in hell. Baptism has nothing to do with being saved. Its good to get baptized, but not necessary.

The great Evangelist, Oliver Greene got baptized in his youth for the sole reason that he thought that it would help him get into a girl’s pants....Baptism can Signify a Lot.....then again, it can signify nothing...

 

[ScottA]

Please answer just ONE question for me....if Converted Christians do not Sin.......Why does the Bible say that God Chastises His Children....Chastisement is a Fact. Does punish his Children for “ not” sinning.....Don’t go off on any tangents ....just explain God’s Chastisement Plan for me and others....

I can answer that:

It is the world that is our chastisement by God. We are made manifest as a witness of our choice of life or death before the Judgement, wherein God has also sent salvation through Christ, that whether one lived during those times looking forward to His coming, or backward from these times afterward, we have no excuse but to believe and be set free from our captivity and the bondage of this world, which is our chastisement until the end, whether it is the End in Christ, or the end in the flesh.​

 

[Taken]

those who are forgiven will get to enter in to Heaven. Those not forgiven will goto hell. The issue for those saved will be what rewards they receive in Heaven.

Basic partially true.

 

[Taken]

Please answer just ONE question for me....if Converted Christians do not Sin.......Why does the Bible say that God Chastises His Children....Chastisement is a Fact. Does punish his Children for “ not” sinning.....Don’t go off on any tangents ....just explain God’s Chastisement Plan for me and others....

Quote the Bible that says....what you said.

 

[Titus]

i’ll answer this, yes. Baptism does not save. There will be millions of baptized people in hell. Baptism has nothing to do with being saved. Its good to get baptized, but not necessary.

Love your honesty, Lifelong sinner.
If only Danthemailman would be so transparent.

You admit obeying God is not a part of your religion.
Gods commandments are only an option.
Something you do only if it matters to you.

Listen to what you just told me,

Its good to get baptized, but not necessary.

Not nessary!
Obeying Gods direct commandments are not necessary!
You unknowingling have no love for God!
How do I know?
God taught us what true love for Him is.

Danthemailman also thinks like you,
Hopefully he has the backbone to plainly say it as you have.

Those who choose not to obey Gods commandments because to them it is not necessary are selfish worshippers of self and have no real love for God or the truth,

1John 3:23-24 Gods commandments do not have to be obeyed according to Lifelong sinner.
This is what calvinism does to a persons thinking.

1John 2:4,
-He who says "I know Him", and does not keep His commandments, is a liar and the truth is not in him.

Lifelong sinner, you still want to hold to your belief that obeying Gods commandments are not necessary?

Baptism in the name of Jesus Christ is a commandment from Jesus, Mark 16:15-16 ; Acts 10:47-48.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Love your honesty, Lifelong sinner.
If only Danthemailman would be so transparent.

You admit obeying God is not a part of your religion.
Gods commandments are only an option.
Something you do only if it matters to you.

Listen to what you just told me,


Not nessary!
Obeying Gods direct commandments are not necessary!
You unknowingling have no love for God!
How do I know?
God taught us what true love for Him is.

Danthemailman also thinks like you,
Hopefully he has the backbone to plainly say it as you have.

Those who choose not to obey Gods commandments because to them it is not necessary are selfish worshippers of self and have no real love for God or the truth,

1John 3:23-24 Gods commandments do not have to be obeyed according to Lifelong sinner.
This is what calvinism does to a persons thinking.

1John 2:4,
-He who says "I know Him", and does not keep His commandments, is a liar and the truth is not in him.

Lifelong sinner, you still want to hold to your belief that obeying Gods commandments are not necessary?

Baptism in the name of Jesus Christ is a commandment from Jesus, Mark 16:15-16 ; Acts 10:47-48.

do you think that everyone that has been baptized is saved?? I’ve been baptized. Are you saying im saved??

 

[Titus]

Precious friend, we Really Need Not to go by made-up stuff, But,
By All The (12 Dozen) Plain And Clear Scriptures For:

God's ETERNAL Assurance, And:

God's OPERATION On All His New-born babes In Christ!

Surely, standing Before God On Judgment Day, we are Not going
to DENY All These, or are we? Again, It Is Plain And Clear For All
the "faithful AND UNfaithful members" Of The ETERNAL Body Of Christ!:

1Co 3:14 If any [faithful?] man's work abide which he
hath built Thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

1Co 3:15 If any [UNfaithful?] man's work shall be burned, he
Shall Suffer Loss: but he himself Shall Be Saved; yet so as by fire."

How, then do we Reconcile "made-up stuff" With Christ's
Words To Paul, our apostle Of Amazing GRACE?
---------------------
GRACE And Peace...

Well good news!
I never "make stuff up"

Mathew 22:29,
-Jesus answered and said to them,
You do error, not knowing the scriptures nor the power of God.

1Corinthians 3:14,
-If anyone's work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward.
-If anyone's work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

Grace Ambassador, you do not understand the context of what is being taught in 1Corinthians 3.

You wrongly have taught one's works whether good or evil has no effect on their eternal salvation.
1Corinthians 3:14-15 is used as a proof text to "prove" this error. That is OSAS regardless of our obedience, striving to run the race in faithful devotion to Jesus till the end of our life.

Our "works will be burned up but he himself will be saved through fire".

Grace Ambassador you want to explain what kind of works are being spoken of by Paul?
You, MUST KNOW WHAT WORKS ARE BEING TAUGHT TO UNDERSTAND THE CONTEXT OF THESE VERSES

Look at the previous verses to understand the works Paul is teaching about,
1Corinthians 3:5-9,
-6-8
-I planted Appollos watered, but God gave the increase.
-So then neither he who plants is anything, nor he who waters, but God who gives the increase.
-Now he who plants(the gospel) and he who waters are one, and each one will receive his own reward according to his own labor.

What works is Paul teaching in 1Corinthians chapter 3?
EVANGELISM SOWING THE SEED(GOSPEL) INTO OTHERS HEARTS.

The WORK of evangelism, sowing the gospel in the hearts of the lost.

Grace Ambassador, the work I do of sowing the seed(gospel), this WORK will not always be of any profit to the hearer of the gospel.

Because the work of evangelism sometimes is sown in folks who have bad soil.
This work I do of planting and watering does not always profit the hearer.

Now look again at what work will be burned up, and WHO will be saved!

1Corinthians 3:15,
-if anyone's WORK(sowing the seed in the hearts of men ie evangelism)
Is burned, HE WILL SUFFER LOSS

What loss? His work of evangelism, because those who he preached the gospel to, did not obey the gospel.

-15 if anyone's work is burned, he will suffer loss: but he himself will be saved, yet so as by fire.

Why is he going to be saved?
Because his work of evangelism, does not make him guilty before God if the hearers of the gospel that he preached to, choose not to believe and obey the WORK he did in them.

You now know what these verses are teaching.
You need to know the context to understand.

This has nothing to do with your belief that our works play no part in our salvation.

No one who teaches the gospel to others,
If they do not obey it.
Are going to be lost because of the work of evangelism that did not bare fruit.

The hearers that reject the gospel. They will answer for thier disobedience,

 

[Taken]

Please elaborate.....talk like you were talking to a five year old if necessary —-I want to try to understand the point that you are trying to make...you make no sense to me

Elaborated once, too much for you.

BASIC; Salvation is a Gift from God.
For anyone to receive that NOW, this day, DO —->IN your Truth —->
1) Repent, sorrow for not having Believed, & for corrupting your soul.
2) Believe in the Lord God, IN your HEART.
3) Confess your Belief, to God in Jesus Name.
4) Lay down your Bodily life unto Death, crucified with Christ Jesus.

AND...God searches your Heart, IF your Confession be True...
***Immediately, All of Gods Works of Conversion IS Accomplished.

This person IS: converted, a new creature, soul saved, spirit born again, body dead, kept by Jesus, prepared for rising in glory, that man uses Jesus risen body to “live” in....recall...the saying “IN” Christ?
These are Christ’s Church. Already Saved, raised up Before Gods Wrath, tribulation.

Now, IF you are ^^^ a new creature...
How exactly does your Dead body, continue to Sin?

Then there is the person WHO...
1) Believes, age 5 or 95, matters not.
2) Can tell other people they Believe, or not.
3) Can go to Church, participate, or not.
4) Their “hope” is to continue Believing until they day they die.
5) Continue Believing, in scripture is called to Endure.
6) While they are Believing, Gods Spirit is “WITH” them, not IN them.
7) They are Warned, Evil spirits, Wicked men, at any time can try to
Sway them AWAY from Believing.
8) IF they do Fall Away, they are called Fallen from Faith.
9) If they do Fall Away, God is no longer “WITH” them.
10) If they die, without God With them, They shall NOT be saved.
11) If they endure to their end Believing, God shall Save them THEN.
12) Their soul and spirit shall rise up to Heaven.
13) Their body buried.
14) After the 1,000 yr reign, their body shall be raised (in glory), soul and spirit reunited with their Body...ie First Resurrection.
15) They shall occupy Gods Everlasting world Kingdom.

 

[Titus]

do you think that everyone that has been baptized is saved?? I’ve been baptized. Are you saying im saved??

Baptism must be for the right reason to be effectual.
Baptism must be from faith in Jesus Christ.
Baptism must be the baptism we read about in Jesus' gospel.
Otherwise it is of no benefit to the one being baptized.

 

[Titus]

Sorry friend but you simply do not understand Christian's are under Jesus' law.
It must be obeyed.
The law of Moses never saved anyone.
The gospel of Christ must be obeyed, it has the power to save.

One might think this is true--but it is not...and it would mean that history has taught us nothing from Israel's failure to keep the law. Moreover, that this is not the answer at all, but rather, as Paul said, "by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified." And returning to this way of thinking would mean returning to "bondage"

Galatians 6:2,
-Bear one another's burdens and so fullfill the law of Christ.

Christ's new law all are under sets one free!
Law of Moses puts one in bondage,
-Galatians 3:10,
-For as many as are of the works of the law of Moses are under a curse...

Galatians 5:1,
-Standfast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free,
And do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage(law of Moses)

James 1:25,
-but he who looks into the perfect law of liberty(the law of Christ)
And continues in it. And is not a forgetful hearer but a DOER of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

thats not how it works. You can believe everyday you’re alive and still not be saved. I grew up in the church, got baptized, the whole nine yards. Yet im not saved. Even demons believe, belief aint cutting it. And belief isnt what converts you. This is why judgement day will be so bad for so many. The majority of mankind will end up in hell. There will be millions who were baptized, went to church, who didnt smoke or curse or commit adultery, or steal, lie, or cheat in hell. I dont think most understand how difficult it is to get saved. And the reason for that is simple. Because there is nothing we can do to get saved. Salvation is a gift that God only grants the few.

I can know if you are Saved or not by how you answer the following question.....how about answering it for me? Do you believe that Jesus walked out of that tomb? A simple yes or no will tell me everything that I need to know...thanking you in advance for your One Word answer...

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

I can know if you are Saved or not by how you answer the following question.....how about answering it for me? Do you believe that Jesus walked out of that tomb? A simple yes or no will tell me everything that I need to know...thanking you in advance for your One Word answer...

yes

 

[BloodBought 1953]

It is the world that is our chastisement by God.





The following is Written to Saved Believers, obviously ...

“ Do not lose heart when you are Chastised by God, for the Lord Disciplines the ones that He loves”

“Whom the Lord LOVES He Chastises “

“God disciplines His Children for their own good, so that we May share a His Holiness “

“ Chastisement appears painful but later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness by those that have been trained by it....

“ God corrects all of His Children , and if he never chastises you , you never really belong to Him—- you are a Bastard”


God may or may not Chastise those of the World—- often He will just let them go their own way to their ultimate Destruction.......but you can be Certain that if you have escaped the World and you are a Born- Again Child Of God —- He’s gonna “ Take you to the Wood-Shed” and put blisters on your behind! He punishes us for wrong - going for our own good....just like “ we” do our Children—- If we truly love them...

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Baptism must be for the right reason to be effectual.
Baptism must be from faith in Jesus Christ.
Baptism must be the baptism we read about in Jesus' gospel.
Otherwise it is of no benefit to the one being baptized.

so you’re saying baptism doesnt save. You said getting baptized was a commandment. But now you’re saying that even if you follow that commandment, it doesnt mean you’re saved? If so, we agree on this. Baptism doesnt save a person.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

I can know if you are Saved or not by how you answer the following question.....how about answering it for me? Do you believe that Jesus walked out of that tomb? A simple yes or no will tell me everything that I need to know...thanking you in advance for your One Word answer...

So am i saved??

 

[BloodBought 1953]

yes

I hate to be the Bearer Of Bad News for you , but you might just be a Saved man and not realize it...Romans 10:9 declares that if we “ confess with our mouth that Jesus is Lord ( God in the Flesh) ,and Believe that God raised Him from the Dead, you will be Saved....”
If you believe in your Heart that God raised Jesus from the Dead, the Bible says that you are “ Justified”—- That means God sees you as “just as if you have never sinned” .....that alone should qualify you for Eternal Life....
However the verse also says that you must “ confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord” ....if you believe that also , your Salvation is assured..
At least six people were brought back from the Dead in the Bible.....The difference between “ them” and Jesus was that Jesus “ Predicted” it for Himself and later fulfilled it.....Who But The Lord , the One that was “ God in the Flesh” , could make this happen? It seems that if you believe one part of the verse , you Automatically Believe the other half...Does anybody say that they BELIEVE that Christ rose from the dead , but was NOT “ Lord?” It doesn’t make much sense to me....

Regardless , if you Believe that “ Jesus is Lord” all you have to do is give voice to that fact and the question of any Redundancy in the verse resolves itself....To be safe and Certain , I really should have asked you two questions....you answered one correctly.....how about the other? Could you sincerely say with your lips “ Jesus is Lord?” ..... not just * A* son of God , but * THE* Son Of God......

I hope that you answer “ yes” to this question also—— I Promise I don't have any more “ test” questions lined up for you....lol.... I was amiss to not mention both in the earlier post...