What if you lose your faith?

[Behold]

It is an utopian concept. The things that dreams are made of.

1.) 2nd Corinthians :5:10: For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

2.) 1st Corinthians 6:9-10 “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God?

Your first verse is talking about receiving for Good or Bad, based on the things done= "in HIS BODY"..
These are the deeds you do in the body of Christ. So, this verse is talking about rewards, not damnation.
For that, See, Revelation 20:11, And notice those who are not in the Lamb's Book of Life.

Also.. Your 2nd verse says, the UNRIGHTEOUS.

That is the UNBELIEVERS, as all the BORN AGAIN, are "MADE RIGHTEOUS"< and are become "THE Righteousness of GOD , in Christ".
All the BORN AGAIN, are "ONE WITH GOD".....so, you can't be unrighteous, and be "ONE WITH GOD", "A temple of the HOLY Spirit".
You can only be unrighteous, if you are this.... John 3:36. An UNBELIEVER.. A CHRIST REJECTOR.

 

[Behold]

As in they cannot remain in that state .

Notice that Paul pronounces a curse....states "accused of God".. but not for the Galatians who are deceived..
But this heavenly curse is against all who teach that works, enduring to the end, water baptism, and self effort, are how you stay saved. Galatians 1:8

See, the issue, with real believers, who fall into Hebrews 13:9..........are led astray by doctrines of demons.. is the PEOPLE who pretend to be real christians, or deceived believers who deny the Cross of Christ.... that have deceived them.

Here is a fact.
You can't have real faith in Christ, if you believe you can lose your salvation.
Why? Because you are not trusting in Christ to keep you saved. You are trusting in YOU., and that is "fallen from Grace", which is what Paul is talking about, in Galatians.
He tells these deceived believers......."you started out with FAITH, but now you are IN THE FLESH." "Bewitched"....."Led astray"...
He is explaining that they once had REAL FAITH, but now its PERVERTED, its SUBVERTED into "self saving"..."here is what i must DO, or DONT DO, if i want to go to heaven".
See that "Do'ism"?
That is NOT Faith in Christ. That is Faith in SELF.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

You're only saved if you are born again.
Ferris Buellier.....I notice that in over 30 posts to me, in this Thread alone, the term "born again" is never in your post, as its never in your Religion.
(feel free to go and edit 10 or 20 and add the words), as that would be your "type".
And "the Cross" was in one post you sent me, after i reminded you that you never ever talk about the Cross of Jesus.

So, you never talk about "born again", and you have ONCE, in this Thread, talked about The Cross, and that was after i pointed out that you never do.
You haven't since.
But you do rant your rant about your WORKS, and holding onto your Savior, "your faith".
Your theology, is missing The Cross and Born again.
Mine isn't. Need proof? Look at my 260 Threads...and you'll find the Cross and the blood of Jesus, and BORN AGAIN, in 98%.
No doubt you'll come and talk about them now....
You'll probably even write :"The Cross" and "Born again" in an upcoming post... just before you run back to your enduring to the end Galatians 1:8 gospel of WORKS.

I showed you the passages that exhort us to hold on to the word. That's not a works gospel. But if you are sure it is then Christianity is a works salvation religion. You're frustrated because you know you're battling the word on this one.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

That is GOD, doing that.....HE finishes your Faith. HE Conforms you into the Image of Christ.

And JESUS, takes care of your faith.. Hebrews 12:2

All good reasons to continue in the faith.

14Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to what we profess." Hebrews 4:14​

 

[Carl Emerson]

It is an utopian concept. The things that dreams are made of.

2nd Corinthians :5:10: For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

1st Corinthians 6:9-10 “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will not inherit the kingdom of God.”

Galatians 5:21 “Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.”

Revelation 21:8
But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

Yes... I agree with all that, and it does not contradict what I have expressed.

 

[Behold]

I showed you the passages that exhort us to hold on to the word.

You showed me a verse, or 2, that you twist.
Nothing new.
I dont think that if i explained to you that verses in the bible, have to be compared with others, so that you get the context, you'll comprehend this, at all.
So, if you show me..."have to keep your faith", which you have decided means...."or lose your salvation", and i show you "the born again shall never perish", and "no one will take them out of my hand"....Jesus speaking, then your eyes glaze over and you mutter...."OSA..S"....."O...S...AS", as if that is tattoo'd in your cranium.
Really.
And i have responded to your 30+ self saving "here is what i must do to save myself" = Legalism.,
I have responded, often with long teaching session posts, and your response is to be SILENT, and then go on REPEAT..."osas, osas, "as if you forgot how to think., which is giving you the benefit of the doubt.

You do realize that people here, have noticed what you do?
But, on the other hand, maybe you really do live in your own oblivion, Ferris Bueller... Your Theology certainly does.

 

[Behold]

All good reasons to continue in the faith.

Jesus is the Author and FINISHER of your Faith.
Hebrews 12:2.
Try using a REAL bible., and try understanding what "FINISHER" means. (look it up).
Want me to send you a dictionary?

 

[Carl Emerson]

Typically in these discussions the issue of the status of a believer and the condition of a believer get confused.

Judgement for the believer is all about eternal reward - not salvation.

 

[Grailhunter]

A Son of God, can be a "DEMAS", or a "PAUL".
But a Son of God is always a Son of God.
Once you are born again, you are always born again.
You CAN stop being a Good Disciple, and most have had these days or even these years, but you can't stop being born again.
Being BORN AGAIN, which is to become a Son of God, happens the instant God gives you the new Birth.
That is before you have even been a Christian for 5 mins., and you are already "Seated in Heavenly Places"....."As Christ IS...so are the born again in THIS world".

So, if a born again, isn't perfect, 3 yrs after they are born again, then that is just how it goes., as they can never stop being born again by their BEHAVIOR or "faith crisis", as God didnt save YOU because you promised to always be good.
He SAVED YOU< because you gave Him your FAITH, ONCE, and He gave you the new Birth., that is ETERNAL, as Jesus is the ETERNAL LIFE that is IN YOU< and you are born again "in Christ".
Its done., and how you behave later does not effect this SONSHIP Status.

Born again....do you have popup timer for that?....when you are and when you are not? Something to indicate that Act 2:38 did not take?
Do you know if your born again? Do others know if you are born again. Is it detectable?
What do you do if you think you are not born again?
Is there a gauge so that you know it is time to be re-baptized?
Is there a scripture that specifically says that those that are born again are not judged on Judgment Day and go directly to heaven?
I like this one, 1st Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth fore ever. --- Does this mean they are incapable of sin, or they can sin all they want and it is not counted, or that they are so in tune with God that they are godlike?

The term born again appears three times in the scriptures. People disagree on everything concerning born again and or baptism of any form. Some people disagree on water baptism...or that water baptism is not required. Some think it is an undefined spiritual event or just a mere thought. Same thing goes for "born again" some believe it is an undefined and undetectable event. The Bible does not give a lot of information on it.

I believe that Baptism is a spiritual rebirth, a new person comes out of that water with their past washed away along with their sins. Their slate clean so to speak. From there the sins they commit are between them and Christ. But I do believe that a person that is born again can sin enough to go to hell.

The Bible does not track "born agains" as different than those that are saved. So there is not enough information to differentiate between the two, are they one? The fact that it is discussed in the Bible makes it real. The fact that there is so little information in the Bible about causes people to speculate and it can get wild. They can say or believe anything they want....and they do. Because there is so little information about it in the Bible....you really cannot come up with definitive doctrine or belief on it and there will be no agreement on exactly what it is are what it means.

I believe that born again and saved are the same. How much faith in Christ do you need to be saved. Just an honest belief...no gauge.

And some Christians do not like when the scriptures have the "all" word in them....because they would put a but there or an except there. And they do not like scriptures with absolute statements....they struggle against these absolute scriptures looking for contradictive scriptures, never admitting there is a contradiction.

There are a lot of scriptures that say you can sin your way to hell. There are a lot scriptures that warn about sins that will send you to hell.....What we have is the absolute truth....The Bible does not say that there will be evildoers in heaven or that the battle between good and evil will continue in heaven....but it does explain that hell is the destination of evildoers. Hell is the destination for those that do not believe in Christ or lived a life of sin....born again or not.

I do not believe in the "born agains" that cannot sin and I believe that there will be people that were born again that sinned enough to be judged to hell.

Again...
2nd Corinthians :5:10: For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

1st Corinthians 6:9-10 “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will not inherit the kingdom of God.”

Galatians 5:21 “Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.”

Revelation 21:8
But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

 

[Grailhunter]

Yes... I agree with all that and it does not contradict what I have expressed.

How do you figure?

 

[Behold]

Born again....do you have popup timer for that?....when you are and when you are not? ”

One you personally know what that phrase means, that you are mocking, will be the best day of your life.

 

[Behold]

How do you figure?

He's politely pointing out that you are able to post verses that you can't discern.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Apples and oranges
Christ loves us, those who loves Him. People waiver and go astray and He embraces them when they come back.

And there is also the concept of justice and punishment and it can seem pretty cruel for those that think there is no ramifications for what they do.

The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open. Hosea 13:16

If you think that Christ does not carry a big stick....you need to read the Book of Revelation.

So after the work of the Cross for believers, and all the suffering Jesus went through - this to you was not enough He needs a big stick as well ???

 

[Grailhunter]

One you personally know what that phrase means, that you are mocking, will be the best day of your life.

Kool
Am I suppose to invent one.

 

[Grailhunter]

So after the work of the Cross for believers, and all the suffering Jesus went through - this to you was not enough He needs a big stick as well ???

Read what Christ says about sinning.
Read what the Apostles said about sinning.
Big stick? Peruse through the Book of Revelation.
Actually in reference to the big stick, can anyone have a bigger stick. LOL

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Typically in these discussions the issue of the status of a believer and the condition of a believer get confused.

Amen! TWO things God Will Never Undo:

1) His OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In The Eternal CHRIST!
+
2) HIS ETERNAL Assurance Of Salvation!!

Judgement for the believer is all about eternal reward - not salvation.

Amen! (1 Corinthians 3:8-15)

GRACE And Peace...

 

[Carl Emerson]

How do you figure?

OK I will explain it...

Here are the verses one by one...


2nd Corinthians :5:10: For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

Right at that instant Jesus Blood avails for me.

What then remains is not an issue of salvation but eternal rewards for what was done in the Spirit.


1st Corinthians 6:9-10 “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will not inherit the kingdom of God.”

Exactly - the blessings of the kingdom are lost for those believers who engage in these listed sins.

But like the young man Paul excommunicated, the intent was that he would find repentance which it seems he did.

Repentance cleans the slate.

Galatians 5:21 “Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.”

Yes same applies as above. Sin has consequences. However for the truely born again this not the end of the story. His Love CONSTRAINS us. He is our shepherd - He leaves the 99 and goes out after the one to find who was lost and restores to the fold.
Sure did it with me - 11 years in rebellion.

Revelation 21:8
But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

Exactly - clearly not talking about the born again who are saved by the Blood of the Lamb.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Read what Christ says about sinning.
Read what the Apostles said about sinning.
Big stick? Peruse through the Book of Revelation.
Actually in reference to the big stick, can anyone have a bigger stick. LOL

The Power of sin is broken for the one who is born again - Jesus broke it on the Cross.

No one deserves salvation.

The punishment was met by Jesus.

He took the punishment for the Born Again.

Yes there is a big stick - but NOT for the born again.

 

[Carl Emerson]

The story of the Passover is all about this truth.

A lamb is sacrificed for each household.

The angel of death passes over.

Other households experience the 'big stick'.

Were the Jews sinless? - No.

They were covered by the Blood of the Lamb.

 

[Grailhunter]

You showed me a verse, or 2, that you twist.
Nothing new.
I dont think that if i explained to you that verses in the bible, have to be compared with others, so that you get the context, you'll comprehend this, at all.
So, if you show me..."have to keep your faith", which you have decided means...."or lose your salvation", and i show you "the born again shall never perish", and "no one will take them out of my hand"....Jesus speaking, then your eyes glaze over and you mutter...."OSA..S"....."O...S...AS", as if that is tattoo'd in your cranium.
Really.
And i have responded to your 30+ self saving "here is what i must do to save myself" = Legalism.,
I have responded, often with long teaching session posts, and your response is to be SILENT, and then go on REPEAT..."osas, osas, "as if you forgot how to think., which is giving you the benefit of the doubt.

You do realize that people here, have noticed what you do?
But, on the other hand, maybe you really do live in your own oblivion, Ferris Bueller... Your Theology certainly does.

You are the person that twist and denies scripture and twist them and what people say.

I can give you all the scriptures you want but everybody knows that you have not respect for the scripture and worship a corrupt Bible.

So you asked for it.....

OSAS sin all you want and go to heaven....what a joke.
1st John:3:8: He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Matthew 7:21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

Hebrews 6:4-8
4: For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5: And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6: If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. 7: For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: 8: But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

Hebrews 10: 26-31
26: For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27: But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28: He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 30: For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31: It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Matthew 7:22-23 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

1s John 3:4 Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness.

2nd Corinthians :5:10: For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

1st Corinthians 6:9-10 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor those habitually drunk, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

Galatians 5:19-21 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: sexual immorality, impurity, indecent behavior, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hostilities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions, 21 envy, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Revelation 21:8
But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

Jude:1:15: To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

Rom:1:32: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

1st John 5:17 All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin that does not lead to death.

I know any conversation with you is a waste of time....so hurry on and come twist the scriptures.