Change On The Last Trump

[Spiritual Israelite]

Amillennialism is NOT true, I don't agree with it.

But, you do agree with Amillennialistm in that you believe all living unbelievers will be killed at Christ's return. Remind everyone again about who exactly you think will populate the earth during the thousand years. You believe that dead believers will be resurrected with mortal bodies and then populate the earth, right?

What IS... written is what I said, that Christ's "thousand years" reign with His elect is FIRST... prior... to the "lake of fire" destruction. And that is HOW Revelation 20 is written!

Blah blah blah. The way you think Revelation 20 is written does not line up with the rest of scripture. Why does that not matter to you?

So quit playing stupid

I'd rather play stupid than actually believe something stupid such as thinking that the ones who will populate the earth during the thousand years are people who will be resurrected with mortal bodies, which scripture never teaches.

and look at the Revelation 22:14-15 verses I pointed to of how the wicked are STILL outside the gates of the holy city when the tree of life is manifested. Know what Lord Jesus called that place OUTSIDE the gates of the holy city?

The "outer darkness"! And He said there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth!

Rev 22:14-15
14 Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
KJV

The Old Testament Book of Ezekiel goes into even more detail about that future Millennium time of Christ's reign over the unsaved with His elect that begins right after His future return.

That is not saying they will be located just outside of gates in an earthly city on the new earth. Where is your discernment? Revelation 20:11-15 occurs BEFORE that and it's quite clear that those described in Revelation 22:15 will be in the lake of fire at that point. Do you think the lake of fire will be located on the new earth?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

See, I am confused.

Let me restate that.

Believing that unbelievers will be resurrected at all supports Pre-Mil because it allows for Matthew 7:21-23 to possibly be unbelievers, instead of being saints - as I believe it is.

It also allows for there to be a 2nd resurrection at a later time than Jesus' return for all the unbelievers.

Amil does not support the idea of any Millennium after Jesus' return, nor all the goodies that come with it like the 2nd resurrection, etc.

I believe that unbelievers are not resurrected at all, for many Biblical reasons, which would mean that Matthew 7:21-23 is talking about saints being judged down by Jesus, as well as John 5:28 referring only to saints being raised - some to life and some to shame, but not all mankind being resurrected there. This also would disprove OSAS because these would be Christians losing their salvation.

I hope that makes some sense. I'm having a hard time keeping track of all the various aspects of all of this tonight for some reason.

If interested, go to Only Believers are Resurrected? and we'll discuss more there.

No, it doesn't make any sense at all to think that any saints would be raised to shame, everlasting contempt and condemnation as Daniel 12:2 and John 5:28-29 talk about. That is impossible. Saints are those who belong to Christ and have had their sins forgiven. They won't have anything to be ashamed about and will absolutely not be condemned after they are resurrected.

 

[GEN2REV]

No, it doesn't make any sense at all to think that any saints would be raised to shame, everlasting contempt and condemnation as Daniel 12:2 and John 5:28-29 talk about. That is impossible. Saints are those who belong to Christ and have had their sins forgiven. They won't have anything to be ashamed about and will absolutely not be condemned after they are resurrected.

Then why ALL the warnings throughout the Bible, especially the NT, about enduring to the end and putting on armor and persevering and staying alert (sober) and fighting temptation and not sinning, etc., etc.?

Is God writing that to unbelievers who will not be saved?

Not likely.

 

[Timtofly]

Then why ALL the warnings throughout the Bible, especially the NT, about enduring to the end and putting on armor and persevering and staying alert (sober) and fighting temptation and not sinning, etc., etc.?

Is God writing that to unbelievers who will not be saved?

Not likely.

I think that means to the end of one's life. Obviously millions have already accomplished that goal. No one is to endure thousands of years.

 

[n2thelight]

If that was directed at me, I understand all the various 'excuses' for the Millennium theory.

None of which are Biblical.

Directed at whomever don't know , with that said . Do you not believe in it period?

 

[n2thelight]

I think that means to the end of one's life. Obviously millions have already accomplished that goal. No one is to endure thousands of years.

Written to those to whom the end would come, do you understand why people are born when they are ? Do you think it's a coincidence ?

I Corinthians 10:11 "Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come."

 

[Timtofly]

Written to those to whom the end would come, do you understand why people are born when they are ? Do you think it's a coincidence ?

I Corinthians 10:11 "Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come."

So they did not have to endure for the first 20 centuries?

 

[GEN2REV]

I think that means to the end of one's life. Obviously millions have already accomplished that goal. No one is to endure thousands of years.

You're right and now you're being honest.

We do all have to endure to the end of our individual lives to keep from being lost, and from being condemned in the resurrection.

See, it all fits Scripture.

 

[GEN2REV]

Directed at whomever don't know , with that said . Do you not believe in it period?

Not at all.

I believe in what aligns with, and is easily, and fully, supported with Scripture.

The Millennium theory, founded on a misinterpretation of Rev. 20, does none of that.

Rev. 20 is a symbolic re-telling of 1 Corinthians 15:21-27 as well as other passages that convey the same teaching as Matthew 24:29-31, Isaiah 13:9-11, 2 Peter 3:10-11 and others. It's all happening at the end of this world when Jesus returns.

Rev. 20 is the only place in all of Scripture where somebody can point and say "See, look. This is talking about a time period that will come after Christ's return." But that's not what it's talking about at all and nowhere else in Scripture is there any support for that.

It is misinterpreted.

God intentionally made all of His Word line up, from author to author, from book to book, all laying out the same end time events. It doesn't follow the slightest rhythm or theme of the Bible for there to be this lone passage that tells a story that none of the Bible supports. Very serious, and honest, students of the Bible will recognize this fact.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Then why ALL the warnings throughout the Bible, especially the NT, about enduring to the end and putting on armor and persevering and staying alert (sober) and fighting temptation and not sinning, etc., etc.?

Is God writing that to unbelievers who will not be saved?

Not likely.

How does this address what I said exactly? What I'm saying is not nearly as convoluted as you are making this out to be. All I'm saying is that no dead saved person whose soul is in heaven now will be bodily resurrected unto condemnation, shame and everlasting contempt. Only dead, unsaved people will be resurrected unto condemnation, shame and everlasting contempt.

 

[n2thelight]

So they did not have to endure for the first 20 centuries?

But of course they did ,scripture speaks of we all have tribulations ,however none of those had to deal with satan right here on this earth, who will pull off the greatest deception in the history of mankind.

People look at tribulation and think of death and destruction ,don't get me wrong ,that happens, but satans tribulation could mean the death of your soul ,it's all about deception

 

[n2thelight]

Not at all.

I believe in what aligns with, and is easily, and fully, supported with Scripture.

The Millennium theory, founded on a misinterpretation of Rev. 20, does none of that.

Rev. 20 is a symbolic re-telling of 1 Corinthians 15:21-27 as well as other passages that convey the same teaching as Matthew 24:29-31, Isaiah 13:9-11, 2 Peter 3:10-11 and others. It's all happening at the end of this world when Jesus returns.

Rev. 20 is the only place in all of Scripture where somebody can point and say "See, look. This is talking about a time period that will come after Christ's return." But that's not what it's talking about at all and nowhere else in Scripture is there any support for that.

It is misinterpreted.

God intentionally made all of His Word line up, from author to author, from book to book, all laying out the same end time events. It doesn't follow the slightest rhythm or theme of the Bible for there to be this lone passage that tells a story that none of the Bible supports. Very serious, and honest, students of the Bible will recognize this fact.

The millennium was spoken of in the beginning , when God told Adam that he would die the day he touched the tree .

 

[Enoch111]

Paul was actually pointing to ALL PEOPLES still alive on earth on that day of Christ's future return. ALL those still alive on earth will be changed, at the twinkling of an eye, at an instant, suddenly.

This is more than bizarre. It is DISINFORMATION.

 

[Timtofly]

But of course they did ,scripture speaks of we all have tribulations ,however none of those had to deal with satan right here on this earth, who will pull off the greatest deception in the history of mankind.

People look at tribulation and think of death and destruction ,don't get me wrong ,that happens, but satans tribulation could mean the death of your soul ,it's all about deception

Obviously, the only alter call in Satan's 42 months is chopping one's head off. The only endurance is holding still until the head is severed from the body. Then life will be over, and resurrection the next event. Revelation 20:4.

 

[n2thelight]

Obviously, the only alter call in Satan's 42 months is chopping one's head off. The only endurance is holding still until the head is severed from the body. Then life will be over, and resurrection the next event. Revelation 20:4.

If that's all you see is the physical you half way there to deception .

satan can't go around killing people while at the same time pretending to be Christ.Yes there will be people who die during this time but it will be from people who think they do God a service

John 16:2 "They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service."

The elect of God those with His seal will be doing the below

Mark 13:11 "But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost [Spirit]."

When this time comes into being in the very near future, it will not be the elect of God that does the speaking, but the Holy Spirit speaking in and through the mouths of His elect. Every one of these individuals will be delivered before these false councils before the final day of this earth age. This is why Peter would say to the people in Acts 2, on Pentecost day; "This is that which was spoken of by Joel the Prophet."

Acts 2:16: "But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;"

We can read this prophecy in Joel 2:28-32. These sons and daughters shall speak in a cloven tongue, as recorded in Acts 2:6; meaning that the language that they shall speak in will need no interpreter, for every one that hears will hear in their native tongue of the dialect of the neighborhood they grew up in. This is the way that the gospel will go forth in the last days, for it is the evidence of the presence of the Holy Spirit. These sons and daughters will speak, as stated in Mark 13:11, but whatsoever words they do speak in that hour, it will be the Holy Spirit that speaks through them.

Do you understand what hour is being spoken of ?

 

[GEN2REV]

The millennium was spoken of in the beginning , when God told Adam that he would die the day he touched the tree .

That's a massive stretch.

 

[Timtofly]

If that's all you see is the physical you half way there to deception .

satan can't go around killing people while at the same time pretending to be Christ.Yes there will be people who die during this time but it will be from people who think they do God a service

John 16:2 "They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service."

The elect of God those with His seal will be doing the below

Mark 13:11 "But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost [Spirit]."

When this time comes into being in the very near future, it will not be the elect of God that does the speaking, but the Holy Spirit speaking in and through the mouths of His elect. Every one of these individuals will be delivered before these false councils before the final day of this earth age. This is why Peter would say to the people in Acts 2, on Pentecost day; "This is that which was spoken of by Joel the Prophet."

Acts 2:16: "But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;"

We can read this prophecy in Joel 2:28-32. These sons and daughters shall speak in a cloven tongue, as recorded in Acts 2:6; meaning that the language that they shall speak in will need no interpreter, for every one that hears will hear in their native tongue of the dialect of the neighborhood they grew up in. This is the way that the gospel will go forth in the last days, for it is the evidence of the presence of the Holy Spirit. These sons and daughters will speak, as stated in Mark 13:11, but whatsoever words they do speak in that hour, it will be the Holy Spirit that speaks through them.

Do you understand what hour is being spoken of ?

You are confusing the last 1992 years of persecution and tribulation with Satan's 42 months. They are not the same thing.

People are still saved by grace through faith. That has been true since the Cross. In Satan's 42 months there is no salvation. There is either the receiving of the mark, or removing one's head from one's body.

 

[Davy]

This is more than bizarre. It is DISINFORMATION.

No, it is not, because Paul was pulling from Isaiah 25 about death being swallowed up in victory. And it's clear you have no clue about that Isaiah 25 Scripture, and don't want to know. So stick with your fake pre-trib rapture theories, which aren't written in God's Word either.

 

[n2thelight]

You are confusing the last 1992 years of persecution and tribulation with Satan's 42 months. They are not the same thing.

People are still saved by grace through faith. That has been true since the Cross. In Satan's 42 months there is no salvation. There is either the receiving of the mark, or removing one's head from one's body.

It's not confusion on my part, satan will come to this earth pretending to be Christ ,salvation will be available up until Christ returns at the 7th trump ,that's the difference between not having to worry about the 2nd death.

Those who miss it will be taught during the millennium ,in their spiritual bodies

 

[n2thelight]

That's a massive stretch.

Do you see Revelations in Genesis ?