@Marilyn C Oh, there's something really special about 2 Corinthians. Chapters 3 and 4 seem to have so many memorable quotes....I'm sure you would agree...
John 3.16: Simple Gospel truth and profound theology
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Yes farouk,
`we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellence of the power may be of God and not us. We are hard pressed on every side, yet not crushed: we are perplexed, but not in despair....` (2 Cor. 4: 7 & 8)
Something to remember as we head into very, very troublesome times ahead.
`we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellence of the power may be of God and not us. We are hard pressed on every side, yet not crushed: we are perplexed, but not in despair....` (2 Cor. 4: 7 & 8)
Something to remember as we head into very, very troublesome times ahead.
@Marilyn C My wife and I were reading this very verse this evening.....
I do think that we are not looking for troubles and signs, but rather, 'looking unto Jesus, the Author and Finisher of our faith' (Hebrews 12.); I would see the church linked directly with the rapture (1 Corinthians 11.26) rather than to a whole series of wonders and signs that supposedly must happen before the rapture occurs (you can maybe see dispensationalism there...)
@Marilyn C My wife and I were reading this very verse this evening.....
I do think that we are not looking for troubles and signs, but rather, 'looking unto Jesus, the Author and Finisher of our faith' (Hebrews 12.); I would see the church linked directly with the rapture (1 Corinthians 11.26) rather than to a whole series of wonders and signs that supposedly must happen before the rapture occurs (you can maybe see dispensationalism there...)
Yes I agree. And as Paul warned `to hold fast to the Head,` though he said it as warning people are `not holding fast to the Head.` (Col. 2: 19)
Good to share together. My hubby and I do also.
@Marilyn C Thanks for your various comments on this thread, which has revived lately.....sometimes the threads are dormant for quite a while, then seem to start up again.
I copied you some other threads (on a variety of subjects) that I started also; so feel free....
I copied you some other threads (on a variety of subjects) that I started also; so feel free....
BARNEY BRIGHT
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I disagree with what and how you're trying to prove with these scriptures. I see that God's might, or power, is represented by his arm and God has shown his mightiness and power through his prophets in the past and much more so through his Only Begotten Son Jesus, but when God showed his might and power through his prophets in the past I know that doesn't mean each one of them was God himself so neither is Jesus, God himself, because God has shown his might and power through him.
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Yes..
Jesus said - "I say nothing of my own accord, I only say what my father tells me to say.." (John 12:49)
Hi @Cora Mallette FYI....thread I started.....the truth of John 3.16 is typical of what people who post on the forums would hold to, by God's grace.
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BARNEY BRIGHT
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I agree with what John 3:16 says. The problem I have is many people want me to believe that it wasn't the Only Begotten Son of God that YHWH God sent to mankind but instead they teach that YHWH God sent himself not his Only Begotten Son. Many teach that the Word is God so they believe when the scriptures say the Word became flesh/human they teach it was God who became flesh/human. So many people don't believe that the Word is the Only Begotten Son of God so when the scriptures say the Word became flesh/human many deny it was the Only Begotten Son of God who became flesh/human.
The Gospel account by John particularly emphasizes Jesus’ prehuman existence as “the Word” and explains that “the Word became flesh/human and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father.” (John 1:1-3, 14) That his sonship did not begin with his human birth is seen from Jesus’ own statements, as when he said, “What things I have seen with my Father I speak” (John 8:38, 42; compare John 17:5, 24), as well as from other clear statements of his inspired apostles.(Romans 8:3; Galatians 4:4; 1John 4:9-11, 14) So the Only Begotten Son of God existed in heaven with his Father who is God in that heavenly existence and was the Only Begotten Son of God before becoming human.
“For God loved the world in this way: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.”
(John 3:16, CSB)
When you read this passage do you hear “For [the Trinity, or the Triune God] loved the world in this way: …”?
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I remember doing a three point outline in bible college from the simple Gospel verse.
1. God's mercy ( His love and forgiveness)
2. Salvation is free (its a gift)
3. It's conditional (based on belief)
1. God's mercy ( His love and forgiveness)
2. Salvation is free (its a gift)
3. It's conditional (based on belief)
See in my Faith, yes Salvation is conditional, however its conditions were fulfilled by our Surety Jesus Christ, and so He secured for us in our faith our eternal redemption/salvation Heb 9:12
12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
All for whom He obtained redemption eternal for, will be given the gift of Faith to believe in Jesus for that.
I would see in Scripture both divine sovereignty and human responsibility.
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