Who are the sons of God and the daughters of men

[Timtofly]

God created humans such as Adam and Eve, the giants in the land of OG were decendants of Adam and Even, not Angels and Humans having sexual intercourse as many claim

I never once claimed the sons of God were angels. The sons of God were not Adam and Eve's descendants. The sons of God were all the humans created on day 6.

"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."

Many sons of God.

Noah was a direct descendant of Adam. His wife and the 3 wives of his sons were not necessarily from Adam and Eve. There is no proof either way. All of Adam's flesh and blood were fallen sinful humans. Does it make a huge difference if the females on the ark were not fully Adam's flesh and blood? Of course genetics makes a difference. No giants came directly from Adam and Eve, unless you accept Cain was born prior to Adam's disobedience.

 

[Timtofly]

New International Version
The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.

NASB
The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

You are confusing the name of the race of giants with the meaning of the Hebrew word הַנְּפִלִ֞ים which was Nephilim which in Hebrew means giants or killer giants. Your confusion is probably from reading the King James Version.

Nope, all human assertions based on some ancient pagan mythology. The English form of the word is hannepilim. All the concordance does it give a human opinion as to the extra biblical word inserted instead of "giants".

The word meaning giants has been changed not defined in modern day translations. Hannepilim is transliterated the Nephilim. The actual word only means giants. Not "The Nephilim".

The "fallen ones" an infamous interpretation is not even from the 3 times the word hannepilim is used. It is from some obscure reasoning from Ezekiel 32. That chapter just gives a long list of nations post Flood who were sinners and judged to sheol the pit. Nothing whatsoever about angels or rebel angels; literally only flesh and blood sinful humans. So all you are doing is running with ancient mythology probably introduced from the book of Enoch.

Noah did not have a copy of that book on the ark. Just ancient mythological fantasy.

Just because the Hebrews had extra biblical mythology does not mean it came from nor ever was part of the Word of God.

 

[Timtofly]

How do I make it sound wrong? I’m only showing what the text says.

Man was told to multiply and fill the earth but the scriptures show that Cains descendants decided to stay put and build cities. The text shows the great accomplishments of Cains offspring which on its own isn’t wrong but is if it’s your only focus

Cain was the only city builder. He was cursed by God where growing crops was prohibited. He could not live on a farm if his life depended upon it. My take away is he figured out the concept of a city, and "slave" labor. He provided shelter and protection. They provided food.

The text of Genesis indicates, Cain and Abel were born prior to Adam's disobedience. Cain and Abel still lived in the Garden in God's temple of sanctuary on earth, ie Paradise where God's alter was. They were not kicked out with Adam and Eve. Cain messed that all up when he killed Abel. God then kicked Cain out of Paradise.

Cain would either beg, starve, or trick people into providing him food. He built a city. Cain was not part of rejecting God and marrying his cousins. Why would Cain further incure God's displeasure? Why would his offspring really want that. If Cain's descendants were involved, that would surely indicate Cain was still a son of God. I would not use that to back up my claims.

 

[Marty fox]

Cain was the only city builder. He was cursed by God where growing crops was prohibited. He could not live on a farm if his life depended upon it. My take away is he figured out the concept of a city, and "slave" labor. He provided shelter and protection. They provided food.

The text of Genesis indicates, Cain and Abel were born prior to Adam's disobedience. Cain and Abel still lived in the Garden in God's temple of sanctuary on earth, ie Paradise where God's alter was. They were not kicked out with Adam and Eve. Cain messed that all up when he killed Abel. God then kicked Cain out of Paradise.

Cain would either beg, starve, or trick people into providing him food. He built a city. Cain was not part of rejecting God and marrying his cousins. Why would Cain further incure God's displeasure? Why would his offspring really want that. If Cain's descendants were involved, that would surely indicate Cain was still a son of God. I would not use that to back up my claims.

Read Genesis chapters 3 & 4 and you will plainly see that only Adam and Eve were in the garden and then banished out of the garden.

 

[Truth7t7]

Never said angels procreate and never said the sons of God were angels. Not men, something from above.

Scripture teaches the sons of God are from the earth, men often human flesh

 

[Grailhunter]

The English form of the word is hannepilim.

The English word is Nephilim.

All the concordance does it give a human opinion as to the extra biblical word inserted instead of "giants".

This is not true. The Hebrew word is הַנְּפִלִ֞ים its English word is Nephilim....הַנְּפִלִ֞ים means giants or killer giants.

I do not mind exchanging ideas on this and word study is just fun. But......

Genesis 6:1 Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

The giants were already there and the offspring of the sons of God were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

But there is not enough information in the Bible to debate the impregnation of the women by the sons of God. That is one of the reasons that there is more than one opinion on what these scriptures are talking about. Because there is not much information people adlib and speculate....even biblical commentaries.

If you want to look into it and remain in the Bible you can read about the Nephilim and later the Rephaim and Anakim and get more information on these giants as they moved through history. These giants were huge hideous humanoid creatures that were the enemy of the Hebrews and others. The Bible is not the only source that tells of them. Goliath type stories appear outside the Bible and archeological evidence discovered recently backs up the David and Goliath story.

These giants had other run’ins with other cultures, but that information and there connection to the offspring of the sons of God is all outside the Bible. But I am not going to get into it here because this is a Bible only format, so people would not believe what I would tell them and I would catch heat over it and it is not worth it for me.

Now you can go study this on your own….LOL….but it is going to cost you time, money, and travel. And keep in mind that during that time period of Genesis the height of men were between 5 feet and 5 and a half feet. So anything between 6 foot 5 inches and 8 feet ~ or above could be considered a giant. There have been several archeological discoveries and they do not have the DNA of Neanderthals or modern man. They call this race the Denisovans. There are videos on the web about discovering the graves of these giants and one of them came from right here in the Ozarks about 60 miles from me.

So as I said, we can exchange information, but we are not going to be able to site enough bibleical information to prove anything. The explaination is outside of the Bible.

 

[n2thelight]

Sorry but angels were never called the sons of God. You are basing your bias of many verses on a wrong interpretation of one verse.

We (the redeemed) have every right to be called sons of God.

You would give our rights away to Satan, who is only a created angel? Angels will never be sons of God.


The stars were created on day 4 and sang.

The sons of God were created on day 6 and shouted for Joy.

Two separate created beings from the very beginning.

The sons of God are not the stars nor the angels.

Your interpretation is very faulty in this verse. Of course Job and Elihu were not there on day six. But their forefathers were.

Did you not comprehend the questions God asked Job. Guess you thinking stars as in one may hit earth one day. My advice for you is to get off the milk .

 

[Grailhunter]

Scripture teaches the sons of God are from the earth, men often human flesh

The phrase the "sons of God" only appear five times in the Bible and in one of those times they appear in the holy court of God....
as in...
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them.
Job 1:6

So if you have a sixth scripture that specifically names the sons of Gods.....let me know.

 

[EloyCraft]

Polygamy creates a culture of competition among men and women. Fiercely violent are men when status is based on the number of women taken in marriage.
Fiercely alluring are women competing for the most powerful man.

This man is the first to become legendary.
Gen.4
23 And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt.

24 If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold.

Jesus counters this with forgiveness of the same amount.

 

[Truth7t7]

The English word is Nephilim.



This is not true. The Hebrew word is הַנְּפִלִ֞ים its English word is Nephilim....הַנְּפִלִ֞ים means giants or killer giants.

I do not mind exchanging ideas on this and word study is just fun. But......

Genesis 6:1 Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

The giants were already there and the offspring of the sons of God were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

But there is not enough information in the Bible to debate the impregnation of the women by the sons of God. That is one of the reasons that there is more than one opinion on what these scriptures are talking about. Because there is not much information people adlib and speculate....even biblical commentaries.

If you want to look into it and remain in the Bible you can read about the Nephilim and later the Rephaim and Anakim and get more information on these giants as they moved through history. These giants were huge hideous humanoid creatures that were the enemy of the Hebrews and others. The Bible is not the only source that tells of them. Goliath type stories appear outside the Bible and archeological evidence discovered recently backs up the David and Goliath story.

These giants had other run’ins with other cultures, but that information and there connection to the offspring of the sons of God is all outside the Bible. But I am not going to get into it here because this is a Bible only format, so people would not believe what I would tell them and I would catch heat over it and it is not worth it for me.

Now you can go study this on your own….LOL….but it is going to cost you time, money, and travel. And keep in mind that during that time period of Genesis the height of men were between 5 feet and 5 and a half feet. So anything between 6 foot 5 inches and 8 feet ~ or above could be considered a giant. There have been several archeological discoveries and they do not have the DNA of Neanderthals or modern man. They call this race the Denisovans. There are videos on the web about discovering the graves of these giants and one of them came from right here in the Ozarks about 60 miles from me.

So as I said, we can exchange information, but we are not going to be able to site enough bibleical information to prove anything. The explaination is outside of the Bible.

The Bible clearly teaches the "Human" giant(s) were alive during the time of Moses

Joshua 13:12KJV
12 All the kingdom of Og in Bashan, which reigned in Ashtaroth and in Edrei, who remained of the remnant of the giants: for these did Moses smite, and cast them out.

Og was the last of the "Human" giants, whom Joshua and Moses armies slew

Deuteronomy 3:11KJ
11 For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.

 

[n2thelight]

Scripture teaches the sons of God are from the earth, men often human flesh

So why would that call for giants .
Do you know why(the angels)did what they did ?

Who are the angels who left their first estate, and where did they come to ?

Job 2:1 "And again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord."

So flesh man hung out with satan in the present of the Lord ?

 

[Truth7t7]

The phrase the "sons of God" only appear five times in the Bible and in one of those times they appear in the holy court of God....
as in...
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them.
Job 1:6

So if you have a sixth scripture that specifically names the sons of Gods.....let me know.

No need for a sixth reference, God's answer is in the original OP post

God's word below clearly teaches (The Sons Of God) "Married" women, and they are referenced as being "Men" of the "Flesh" that followed God's Holy Spirit before your eyes

Genesis 6:2KJV
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Scripture clearly teaches that "Human Men" led by God the Holy Spirit are (The Sons Of God)

Romans 8:14KJV
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

 

[EloyCraft]

Size was bred into men for physical dominance like it is done for many animals for that and other various reasons.

 

[Truth7t7]

So why would that call for giants .
Do you know why(the angels)did what they did ?

Who are the angels who left their first estate, and where did they come to ?

Job 2:1 "And again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord."

So flesh man hung out with satan in the present of the Lord ?

Scripture strongly suggest that the fallen angels were cast to the earth and became known as devils/demons that don't have physical bodies, that can possess humans and animals

Scripture teaches the devils/demons are in Satan's kingdom

Matthew 12:25-27KJV
25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.

Mark 1:34KJV
34 And he healed many that were sick of divers diseases, and cast out many devils; and suffered not the devils to speak, because they knew him.

Luke 4:41KJV
41 And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking them suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ.

 

[Grailhunter]

The Bible clearly teaches the "Human" giant(s) were alive during the time of Moses

Joshua 13:12KJV
12 All the kingdom of Og in Bashan, which reigned in Ashtaroth and in Edrei, who remained of the remnant of the giants: for these did Moses smite, and cast them out.

Og was the last of the "Human" giants, whom Joshua and Moses armies slew

Deuteronomy 3:11KJ
11 For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.

I asked you to produce scriptures that included the phrase "sons of God" LOL
I have already told you that if you want to look into it and remain in the Bible you can read about the Nephilim and later the Rephaim and Anakim and get more information on these giants as they moved through history. These giants had their own land and if I remember correctly some of them worshipped the goddess. And how long were they around... it is highly likely that Goliath was from one of these races.

 

[Grailhunter]

No need for a sixth reference, God's answer is in the original OP post

God's word below clearly teaches (The Sons Of God) "Married" women, and they are referenced as being "Men" of the "Flesh" that followed God's Holy Spirit before your eyes

Genesis 6:2KJV
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Scripture clearly teaches that "Human Men" led by God the Holy Spirit are (The Sons Of God)

Romans 8:14KJV
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Looking for scriptures that say the sons of God were human or man.
Quoting scriptures that do not pertain to the topic will not help you.

 

[Truth7t7]

I asked you to produce scriptures that included the phrase "sons of God" LOL
I have already told you that if you want to look into it and remain in the Bible you can read about the Nephilim and later the Rephaim and Anakim and get more information on these giants as they moved through history. These giants had their own land and if I remember correctly some of them worshipped the goddess. And how long were they around... it is highly likely that Goliath was from one of these races.

I agree, Goliath was from the giants, and these giants were "Humans" and not some speculation of origin, that wasn't in the lineage of Adam and Eve or Noah's family

 

[Truth7t7]

Looking for scriptures that say the sons of God were human or man.
Quoting scriptures that do not pertain to the topic will not help you.

You have clearly been shown several times that the sons of God were human men of the flesh, you can disagree and deny all you want, the forum is watching the thread openly

You have been openly shown the biblical definition for "The Sons Of God" being a human man that is led by God the Holy Spirit

God's word below clearly teaches (The Sons Of God) "Married" women, and they are referenced as being "Men" of the "Flesh" that followed God's Holy Spirit before your eyes

Genesis 6:2KJV
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Scripture clearly teaches that "Human Men" led by God the Holy Spirit are (The Sons Of God)

Romans 8:14KJV
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

 

[Grailhunter]

I agree, Goliath was from the giants, and these giants were "Humans" and not some speculation of origin, that wasn't in the lineage of Adam and Eve or Noah's family

I will go a long with humanoid for sure.
Their lineage is still a mystery to science. They are neither Neanderthal or Homosapian. Nothing in the Bible that indicates the either the sons of God were humans or that Nephilim were from the lineage of Adam and Eve.

 

[Grailhunter]

You have clearly been shown several times that the sons of God were human men of the flesh, you can disagree and deny all you want, the forum is watching the thread openly

You have been openly shown the biblical definition for "The Sons Of God" being a human man that is led by God the Holy Spirit

God's word below clearly teaches (The Sons Of God) "Married" women, and they are referenced as being "Men" of the "Flesh" that followed God's Holy Spirit before your eyes

Genesis 6:2KJV
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Scripture clearly teaches that "Human Men" led by God the Holy Spirit are (The Sons Of God)

Romans 8:14KJV
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Yes as Christians we are the sons and daughters of God.....so was Ezekiel...and so was Christ. But in different contexts. But most of us don't cause a stir by impregnating women nor do we sire unusually mighty men.