Spotting Heretics

[Blue Dragonfly's]

Nope, ignore that voice in your head that you think is the Holy Spirit talking to you. There is only one author of confusion and it is not the Holy Spirit!! And you are confused......

So you're afraid to define 'born again'. Lol.
You're afraid because you know inside that as a Catholic you can't be born again and not saved yet at the same time, lol.

'Born again' is the Catholic's Kryptonite.
I knew you'd chaff at the question. That's why I asked it. You are probably not born again. That's why you can't grasp what we and the scriptures say.

I suspect that you are simply a 'religious' person. One day you decided to go to church and agree with and practice it's creeds and dogmas because you think that is what constitutes being on God's side.

Just an aside. You do know RC's don't follow the actual gospel of Christ,right?

Why would you think any RC would then be able to understand it? When God already tells us they cannot.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Just an aside. You do know RC's don't follow the actual gospel of Christ,right?

Why would you think any RC would then be able to understand it? When God already tells us they cannot.

Yes, I'm operating under the assumption that most Catholics are not born again. They've had no conversion experience with God. They're simply people who decided to be 'religious' and go to church and, to no surprise, the church they go to just happens to be the one and only right and approved church!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

You crack me up Ferris. The Churches definition of being born again is available for everyone in the world to read. Your definition is not available for everyone to read. That is why I asked you YOUR definition. Because I already know when I post what The Church has taught for 2,000 years about what it takes to be born again you are going to tell me that The Church is wrong.

It appears you are too embarrassed to say on a public forum what your definition is so I will not ask you to publicly embarrass yourself. If you want to private message me to save yourself from the embarrassment I am open to that.

Thank you for your time.

Are you born again?
Do you know what that means?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

You already know (or can find) my definition.

Then just tell...are you born again?

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

Yes, I'm operating under the assumption that most Catholics are not born again. They've had no conversion experience with God. They're simply people who decided to be 'religious' and go to church and, to no surprise, the church they go to just happens to be the one and only right and approved church!

I have extended family in that church.
It's called 'hard wiring'. Baptized as babies, indoctrinated even to the sounds,vibrations, of the rites while in utero. Raised from infancy,when they are not able to respond should God call them,into the church .

It's as impossible to change their wiring as it is by choice or debate to change ones nationality.
They're not BA. They're RC.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

Then just tell...are you born again?

By tradition RC's believe they're born again at [infant] baptism.

 

[Marymog]

Just an aside. You do know RC's don't follow the actual gospel of Christ,right?

Which Protestant church does? You have thousands to choose from. Good luck.......

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

Which Protestant church does? You have thousands to choose from. Good luck.......

I don't attend a Protestant church.
The Ekklesia as a whole are the church.

God isn't found in structures built by mortal hands.
So good luck to you.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Which Protestant church does? You have thousands to choose from. Good luck.......

That Catholic church appears by all historical accounts to be the first heretical movement in the church. And you think that means it's the right one, lol.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

The Ekklesia as a whole are the church.

She literally has zero capacity to see this. That's why I personally think she is not born again. The majority of Catholics simply do not have the Spirit in them to be able to discern the truth. They're quite satisfied with the Catholic hierarchy doing that discerning for them. That's a sign to me that they are not born again.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

I don't attend a Protestant church.

That's why I prefer the label of non-Catholic.
There are more and more of us who are getting back to the basics of the scriptures minus all the spiritless junk that crept in beginning with the Catholic church way back in the beginning shortly after the time of the original Apostles, when the gentiles took over leadership positions in the church.

 

[amigo de christo]

She literally has zero capacity to see this. That's why I personally think she is not born again. The majority of Catholics simply do not have the Spirit in them to be able to discern the truth. They're quite satisfied with the Catholic hierarchy doing that discerning for them. That's a sign to me that they are not born again.

Its been dug deep into that place . Pope innocent the third actually made it a command that folks are not to read the scrips on their own .
Not long after , perhaps thirty years around twelve hundred and twenty nine , it got even worse , they could not even own
or have the scrips . That church is one power hungry whore . NO wonder they went after folks like wycliff and others
who dared to translate it and get it into the peoples hands . That hungry WHORE wants all power and control over the people .
She aint alone either , other denominations have to some degree done this too . Folks who desire pre eminence
and power KNOW full well if the people get the scrips into their own hands , THEY GONNA HAVE A SERIOUS problem
keeping those who do so , UNDER THEIR POWER and CONTROL . OH THEY KNOW THIS . ITS WHy from the cradle
they raise them up with , YE CANNOT KNOW NOR UNDERSTAND the SCRIPS LEST WE TELL YA WHAT IT MEANS
AND believe you me , WHATTHEY SAY IT MEANS ALWAYS KEEPS THEM IN POWER and CONTROL . JUST SAYING .

 

[amigo de christo]

That's why I prefer the label of non-Catholic.
There are more and more of us who are getting back to the basics of the scriptures minus all the spiritless junk that crept in beginning with the Catholic church way back in the beginning shortly after the time of the original Apostles, when the gentiles took over leadership positions in the church.

The all inclusive we are one religoin , AINT GONNA LIKE THIS EITHER MY FRIEND . cause lambs who do this
aint gonna fall under their spell , power or control . ITS GONNA COST US MY FRIEND . OH but the lambs HAVE ALL HOPE .
SO STAY DUG IN THAT BIBLE ALWAYS and FOREVER so long as breath is in your lungs . WE HAVE MADE OUR CHOICE
ITS JESUS WE CHOOSE and WE LEARN HIM in that bible , loving all TRUTH and testing ALL MEN against the truth .
I am so sorry for so many who have bought the lie , BUT WE IS A STICKING IN THAT BIBLE .

 

[Ferris Bueller]

By tradition RC's believe they're born again at [infant] baptism.

What a ridiculous doctrine.
It's hard for me to comprehend that anybody would think a person can be born again that way. What a joke.

 

[RLT63]

She literally has zero capacity to see this. That's why I personally think she is not born again. The majority of Catholics simply do not have the Spirit in them to be able to discern the truth. They're quite satisfied with the Catholic hierarchy doing that discerning for them. That's a sign to me that they are not born again.

I think there are Catholics who are saved. It's the Church I have issues with not the members. You will find some who tell you it's the one true Church and the rest of us are wrong but not all of them.

 

[Marymog]

I don't attend a Protestant church.
The Ekklesia as a whole are the church.

God isn't found in structures built by mortal hands.
So good luck to you.

Who ever said God is found in a structure built by mortal hands?

The NT Christians, including the Apostles, met in "structures built by mortal hands" to worship God. If it was good for them, it is good for us.

It is true that "The Ekklesia as a whole are the church". Sooooo which elders in your church fulfill HEBREWS 13:17, 1 Tim. 5:17 and who in your Ekklesia fulfills 1 Tim 3:15?

Can you now see how what you have been taught by your Protestant men is wrong?

 

[Marymog]

That Catholic church appears by all historical accounts to be the first heretical movement in the church. And you think that means it's the right one, lol.

Ok....sooooo your theory is that the Catholic Church is the first heretical movement in the church and that the CC is not teaching the truth. That means the CC broke away from the original church and the original church is still teaching the truth OR not teaching anything heretical.

What church is not heretical Ferris? What "historical account" are you referring to?

Curious Mary

 

[Marymog]

She literally has zero capacity to see this. That's why I personally think she is not born again. The majority of Catholics simply do not have the Spirit in them to be able to discern the truth. They're quite satisfied with the Catholic hierarchy doing that discerning for them. That's a sign to me that they are not born again.

Born again according to WHO's definition Ferris? The definition of the men you follow OR Scriptures definition?

I have made it clear MULTIPLE times and The Church (my church) has taught for 2,000 years that the Ekklesia as a whole are the church. Do you even know what the word catholic means Ferris? Soooooo your "zero capacity" remark is false!

You reek of righteousness and pride when you say the majority of Catholics simply do not have the Spirit in them to be able to discern the truth! Who made you judge of men's souls? I am willing to bet if you and amigo de christo and Blue Dragonfly were to discuss the "truth" of Scripture all of you would have different "truths". Isn't that right amigo and dragonfly?????

What you and your ilk are unable to answer is if ALL Christians are "the church" then which one of the billions of Christians fulfill 1 Timothy 3:15? Not every Christian is the pillar and foundation of truth Ferris and not each individual Christian can decide what other Christian is to be treated as a pagan/tax collector if they refuse to listen.

You and your friends @amigo de christo and @Blue Dragonfly's (the 3 amigo's who disagree with each other on the truth) are in a dilemma.

Keeping it real....Mary

 

[Marymog]

Just an aside. You do know RC's don't follow the actual gospel of Christ,right?

Why would you think any RC would then be able to understand it? When God already tells us they cannot.

Hey kiddo.....Do you and @Ferris Bueller agree on everything when you interpret Scripture?

You don't do you......soooooooooo which one of you two actually follow the gospel of Christ if one if you is wrong according to the other?

You kiddos are in a dilemma.

 

[Marymog]

By tradition RC's believe they're born again at [infant] baptism.

That is not completely true kiddo. The Church does not teach that we are "born again" at baptism as an infant! Not all members of The Church are baptized as infants.

The Church teaches, and has taught since our beginning 2,000 years ago, that we are born again thru water and Spirit....Just like Jesus said.