John 8:24, 28, 58 - Jesus Christ IS YHWH

[Michiah-Imla]

There's a reason that the cults always produce novel versions of scripture.

What “novel” version do you suppose I use?

The deity of Christ is the dividing line between light and darkness

Unscriptural.

Sounds to me like you’re the one in a cult…

 

[Michiah-Imla]

John 20:26-29

Jesus didn’t say he was God.

Thomas had a moment of wonder and exclaimed “my God”. Hardly any proof that Jesus was God.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Jesus didn’t say he was God.

Thomas had a moment of wonder and exclaimed “my God”. Hardly any proof that Jesus was God.

Well that is a 'creative dismissal' if I ever read one... It is so much easier to take passages at face value...

 

[Carl Emerson]

No, are you serious? ‘Them’ other elect is who YHWH gave to Jesus as part of all authority.

To take this to mean, YHWH have his name has no actual reference. A real stretch of interpretation.

The Name above every name in Heaven and on earth must include the Fathers Name and be the Fathers Name.

 

[Wrangler]

The Name above every name in Heaven and on earth must include the Fathers Name and be the Fathers Name.

You logic contradicts Scripture. Consider how 1 COR 15:23-28 excludes God in Christianity's end game.


23 But there is an order to this resurrection: Christ was raised as the first of the harvest; then all who belong to Christ will be raised when he comes back.

24 After that the end will come, when he will turn the Kingdom over to God the Father, having destroyed every ruler and authority and power. 25 For Christ must reign until he humbles all his enemies beneath his feet. 26 And the last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For the Scriptures say, “God has put all things under his authority.”[a] (Of course, when it says “all things are under his authority,” that does not include God himself, who gave Christ his authority.) 28 Then, when all things are under his authority, the Son will put himself under God’s authority, so that God, who gave his Son authority over all things, will be utterly supreme over everything everywhere.
1 Corinthians 15:23-28 NLT

 

[michaelvpardo]

Jesus didn’t say he was God.

Thomas had a moment of wonder and exclaimed “my God”. Hardly any proof that Jesus was God.

No he didn't, scripture does, and no where in scripture does a servant of God other than Jesus accept worship.
I can't do anything to provide proof to you if you don't believe the word of God, but that which can be proven is not of faith.
But let's just tear down the notion that a man can provide propitiation for sin from scripture.

19 “Yet you say, ‘Why should not the son suffer for the iniquity of the father?’ When the son has done what is just and right, and has been careful to observe all my statutes, he shall surely live. 20 The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.
Ezekiel 18:19-20

If Jesus were no more than a man, He could not be our substitute on the cross and give His blood in payment for the remittance of sin. Nor is He an angel.

"He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs." Hebrews 1:3-4

So how is a person the radiance of God's glory and the exact imprint of His nature, less than God?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

So how is a person the radiance of God's glory and the exact imprint of His nature, less than God?

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him. If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them.” (John 13:16-17)

 

[michaelvpardo]

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him. If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them.” (John 13:16-17)

Yes, that which is equal is not greater. And Jesus isn't greater than the Father, but in the Father and the Father in Him.
I'm sorry that you can't understand this basic spiritual concept, but that's not your fault. It's quite impossible for the carnal mind to receive the things of the spirit.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Yes, that which is equal is not greater. And Jesus isn't greater than the Father, but in the Father and the Father in Him.
I'm sorry that you can't understand this basic spiritual concept, but that's not your fault. It's quite impossible for the carnal mind to receive the things of the spirit.

“The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord.” (Matthew 10:24)

So we are all “God” then?

 

[michaelvpardo]

“The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord.” (Matthew 10:24)

So we are all “God” then?

Who said that? I'm a monotheist. Maybe you should enroll in a course on logic and boolean algebra. It could help your carnal mind grow at least to the point where you can reason logically, and possibly accept scripture as true.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

reason logically

Do this with this scripture (amongst others):

“He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.” (Matthew 10:40)

I have a spiritual mind and I am bearing with much long suffering your baby mentality.

 

[michaelvpardo]

Do this with this scripture (amongst others):

“He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.” (Matthew 10:40)

I have a spiritual mind and I am bearing with much long suffering your baby mentality.

I don't know about a spiritual mind, but you are incredibly funny.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

I don't know about a spiritual mind, but you are incredibly funny.

By the way, care to answer my previous question?

There's a reason that the cults always produce novel versions of scripture.

What “novel” version do you suppose I use?

 

[michaelvpardo]

By the way, care to answer my previous question?



What “novel” version do you suppose I use?

I didn't see any question other than something like "then we're all God?" Which I believe I answered, though perhaps you don't understand the concept of monotheism.
As far as versions of the Bible you use? It doesn't seem like you use any, but want to write your own.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

As far as versions of the Bible you use? It doesn't seem like you use any, but want to write your own.

Why did you say this (below)?:

There's a reason that the cults always produce novel versions of scripture.

 

[michaelvpardo]

Why did you say this (below)?:

Simply because people are always writing translations that conform to their own belief. That's why the New World Translation and the JPS Tanach both have novel translations of verses that point to the deity of Christ (and to Jesus as the messiah in the case of the Tanach.) Even Zondervan came out with a novel version to appeal to feminist thought, but many publishers are associated with freemasonry and freemasonry is concerned more with the symbolism than the meaning of any text.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Simply because people are always writing translations that conform to their own belief.

That's why the New World Translation and the JPS Tanach both have novel translations of verses that point to the deity of Christ

I use the best translation of our time:

The KING JAMES BIBLE!

 

[Carl Emerson]

You logic contradicts Scripture. Consider how 1 COR 15:23-28 excludes God in Christianity's end game.

Not at all - the endgame is not achieved unless the Son has the full authority of the Father.
23 But there is an order to this resurrection: Christ was raised as the first of the harvest; then all who belong to Christ will be raised when he comes back.

24 After that the end will come, when he will turn the Kingdom over to God the Father, having destroyed every ruler and authority and power. 25 For Christ must reign until he humbles all his enemies beneath his feet. 26 And the last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For the Scriptures say, “God has put all things under his authority.”[a] (Of course, when it says “all things are under his authority,” that does not include God himself, who gave Christ his authority.) 28 Then, when all things are under his authority, the Son will put himself under God’s authority, so that God, who gave his Son authority over all things, will be utterly supreme over everything everywhere.
1 Corinthians 15:23-28 NLT

 

[Wrangler]

Not at all - the endgame is not achieved unless the Son has the full authority of the Father.

Sly, you are. Scripture does not refer to the Father but to God, in his wholeness, in his unitarian nature.

You logic contradicts Scripture. Consider how 1 COR 15:23-28 excludes God in Christianity's end game.


23 But there is an order to this resurrection: Christ was raised as the first of the harvest; then all who belong to Christ will be raised when he comes back.

24 After that the end will come, when he will turn the Kingdom over to God the Father, having destroyed every ruler and authority and power. 25 For Christ must reign until he humbles all his enemies beneath his feet. 26 And the last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For the Scriptures say, “God has put all things under his authority.”[a] (Of course, when it says “all things are under his authority,” that does not include God himself, who gave Christ his authority.) 28 Then, when all things are under his authority, the Son will put himself under God’s authority, so that God, who gave his Son authority over all things, will be utterly supreme over everything everywhere.
1 Corinthians 15:23-28 NLT

 

[Carl Emerson]

Sly, you are. Scripture does not refer to the Father but to God, in his wholeness, in his unitarian nature.

The God I worship is the Father of Abraham Isaac and Jacob, the God of Israel, and the Father of Jesus. He has given His Name to Jesus and hence His full authority with that Name. He is the I AM and so is Jesus as He said.