Yes.
The born again spirit is the new creation.. The person, the personality, the "soul realm" has to be dealt with so that the thinking is brought under subjection to holiness.
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Yes.
The born again spirit is the new creation.. The person, the personality, the "soul realm" has to be dealt with so that the thinking is brought under subjection to holiness.
Jesus became all the sin of the Born again.
So, if you are confessing what He became, and was judged for on the Cross and Died to remove 2000 yrs ago, then you are theologically confused, faith broken, and uselessly trying to get God to keep you, when in fact if you are actually born again, you are eternally a Son of God ONLY BASED on the Cross of Christ.
The verse you need to live in, is not 1 John 1:9.... as that one is for the unbelievers, tho the heretics love it to death.
You need, a few pages over...... 1 John 3:9 that says that there is no sin in the born again.
YOU have committed several sins against the brethren, Behold.........
Maybe you should repent, confess and ask forgiveness from God & others in your offensive attitude and your words of rejection!
Salvation is a ONE TIME EVENT in a person's life. It is a turning away from sin unto the righteousness of God. A gift accepted or rejected. Stunted growth comes from by being hung there at the cross. Jesus FINISHED the work of God at the cross, then he moved on after his D,B,& R.
For 40 days after Passover until Pentecost, he re-instructed them in his word, established their faith & cemented their calling, THEN HE RETURNED TO THE HEAVENLY REALMS!
The Word has and is going out about God's amazing love, his UNMERITED grace & forgiveness and the cross of OUR SINS he bore in death.
As a servant with your Master gone away instead of USING his talent to procure souls in RIGHT understanding & growth; have you buried your talent?
Maybe you should repent, confess and ask forgiveness from God & others in your offensive attitude and your words of rejection!
Salvation is a ONE TIME EVENT in a person's life. It is a turning away from sin unto the righteousness of God. A gift accepted or rejected. Stunted growth comes from by being hung there at the cross. Jesus FINISHED the work of God at the cross, then he moved on after his D,B,& R.
For 40 days after Passover until Pentecost, he re-instructed them in his word, established their faith & cemented their calling, THEN HE RETURNED TO THE HEAVENLY REALMS!
The Word has and is going out about God's amazing love, his UNMERITED grace & forgiveness and the cross of OUR SINS he bore in death.
As a servant with your Master gone away instead of USING his talent to procure souls in RIGHT understanding & growth; have you buried your talent?
A born again person confessed his sin...
A born again person has been forgiven his sin...
A born again person’s sin is covered by Gods indwelling Light...
A born again person Can Sin NO MORE.
God remembers NO MORE a born again persons sin...
Why should I?
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Not so.
A born again man Sins NO MORE.
It is NEVER Again possible for a born again man to doubt, deny, speak against God.
What are examples of these sins that you are talking about?
Yes, Believers CAN and DO sin.
No, Believer is not the Definition of a Born Again man.
You have confused Sin Against God, which a born again man CAN NOT DO...
With trespasses Against men, which ANY man can DO.
There is a Difference.
Sin is ONLY Against God.
ONLY God forgives Sin.
God REQUIRES the Death of your Body, BEFORE He saves your soul.
God REQUIRES your repentance for having NOT believed.
God REQUIRES your true hearts BELIEVE IN the Lord God.
God REQUIRES your true hearts CONFESSION of your Belief IN the Lord God.
Men trespass Against men.
Men are taught to repent for trespassing against men.
Men are taught to ask men for forgiveness of their trespasses against men.
Men are taught and should forgive men who trespass against them.
Man IS Not required to die for other men.
Man IS Not required to Believe in other men.
Man IS Not required to Confess Belief in other men.
Every time you say to another man...excuse men, pardon me, you are asking another to FORGIVE your trespass against them.
Every time you say to another man...I’m sorry, I apologize, you are often expressing remorse for your trespass Against them.
The apostle Peter was the leading apostle among the eleven, specifically commissioned to be the apostle to the Jews ("the circumcision"). He was not only born again but given the spiritual gifts of apostle, prophet, teacher and miracle worker (and perhaps many more, since he was an elder among elders). He was also given authority to bind and loose sins, as we see in his dealings with Ananias and Sapphira as well as Simon the Sorcerer. Yet Peter was not sinlessly perfect (or blameless) and the apostle Paul had to rebuke him for his hypocrisy* (dissimulation):
GALATIANS 2: PETER HAD TO BE CORRECTED BY PAUL FOR DISSIMULATION
11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
Now if the great apostle Peter had to be rebuked, do you seriously believe that you are free from all sins and need not be rebuked?
*Strong's Concordance
hupokrisis: a reply, answer, playacting, hypocrisy
Original Word: ὑπόκρισις, εως, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: hupokrisis
Phonetic Spelling: (hoop-ok'-ree-sis)
Definition: a reply, answer, playacting, hypocrisy
Usage: (lit: stage-playing), a response, answer, hypocrisy, dissembling.
More baloney. You are actually the one who is theologically confused. As to the rest, you have no business sitting in judgment over anyone, since you sin as much as any other sinning Christian.
Wrangler
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If this is true, why did Paul tell the Corinthians to shun the man sleeping with his mother-in-law?
Wrangler
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According to the Bible hypocrisy is a sin. And Paul said that Peter was guilty of hypocrisy. Which means that no born again Christian is exempt from sinning and confessing their sins. No doubt Peter accepted the rebuke with good grace and never reverted to such hypocrisy again.
Also the binding and loosing of sins within the apostolic churches was the authority given to the apostles by Christ to make judgments regarding sins within churches or among Christians. This authority was limited to the apostles, perhaps only to Peter and Paul.
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of [Hades] shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. (Mt 16:18,19)
Brakelite
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@Behold I agree with much of what you are presenting here. Righteousness comes by faith. Sanctification however is a process, and I believe that as we are made aware of sin in our lives, then we are to confess those sins and repent. True repentance to the point of hating what God hates and forsaking, permanently. Sometimes this takes a struggle. But yes, we cannot do this in our own strength, we overcome by faith in the power of God... If we fall, we turn to Him... We do not "try harder" next time, or strive to be holier tomorrow than we were yesterday. We come to Jesus, confessing our need of Him and seeking His righteousness with a hunger and thirst and desire that will always be met by our loving Savior.
However, there is one aspect to this I think you overlook. And that is authority. Jesus is not only our Savior. He is, or should be, our Lord also. We ought to obey Him, recognizing His authority over us as God and Creator. Not all His commandments are moral imperatives that are met through the sanctification of the Spirit and growth in character. However, they become moral failings should we choose to disobey. There are some parts of God's law to be obeyed purely in recognition and acceptance of His as Lord over our lives. That obedience comes by choice, and is also a fruit of faith in God's word in believing that what He says, He means. Disobedience to Commandments cannot be justified on any grounds whatsoever...
However, there is one aspect to this I think you overlook. And that is authority. Jesus is not only our Savior. He is, or should be, our Lord also. We ought to obey Him, recognizing His authority over us as God and Creator. Not all His commandments are moral imperatives that are met through the sanctification of the Spirit and growth in character. However, they become moral failings should we choose to disobey. There are some parts of God's law to be obeyed purely in recognition and acceptance of His as Lord over our lives. That obedience comes by choice, and is also a fruit of faith in God's word in believing that what He says, He means. Disobedience to Commandments cannot be justified on any grounds whatsoever...
But "Behold" believes in instantaneous sanctification, claiming that no born again Christian will ever sin. That is pure baloney since even born again Peter had to examine himself. But we have one here who is greater than Peter, and greater than Paul.
We have a guru descended from Mt Everest!
Wrangler
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But "Behold" believes in instantaneous sanctification, claiming that no born again Christian will ever sin. That is pure baloney since even born again Peter had to examine himself. But we have one here who is greater than Peter, and greater than Paul.
Mt Olympus.
1 Cor 5:
[1] Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,
[2] Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
[3] Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
[4] I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ;
[5] That in every thing ye are enriched by him, in all utterance, and in all knowledge;
[6] Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you:
[7] So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:
[8] Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.
[9] God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.
[10] Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
[11] For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.
[12] Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
[13] Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
So, you are wondering why, Paul is directly telling the SANCTIFIED Corinthians, to SHUN the acts of an NON-SANCTIFIED Corinthian, whose such acts are known he sleeps with his mother-in-law?
First of all, there is no mention of shunning, or a man sleeping with his mother-in-law.
Paul is speaking to an audience of people all living in the same city called Corinth, and all of those people broadly called Corinthians, And of that broad group:
Paul is specifically speaking TO THE SANCTIFIED, which is to say, Specific people living in city of Corinth, who HAVE BECOME BORN AGAIN; THAT THEY BE of ONE ACCORD, in their Beliefs and Behaviors.
How does.... Paul reiterating THAT THE BORN AGAIN SANCTIFIED should be ALL be BELIEVING the same and BEHAVING in the same manner....make you wonder.....IF BORN AGAIN means SIN no more?
BORN AGAIN, is about an individual’s Forever RELATIONSHIP WITH God.
Your implication IS an individuals Forever RELATIONSHIP WITH God,
Has some sort of DEPENDENCY, on a mans relationship with other men, AS IF....MEN having a crappy relationship with OTHER men, MIGHT cause a man to LOSE his Relationship WITH God......?
Is that your point?
I believe SIN, is a mans NON-BELIEF IN the Lord God Almighty...
PERIOD.
And IF and WHEN a man DOES come into HEARTFUL CONFESSED BELIEF IN the Lord God Almighty....it is the Lord Gods Almighty Himself, that Forgives the man For having NOT BELIEVED IN the Lord God Almighty. PERIOD.
I read your following verifying quote, which DOES NOT SAY SIN, rather does say WHATSOEVER.
I BELIEVE, Christ’s Church, IS any INDIVIDUAL, “IN” Christ and Christ “IN” them.
Binding IS Holding to...
Loosing IS Allowing something other that IS not Bind-ed.
Any Member of Christ’ Church (again, being those “IN” Christ and Christ “IN” them), and the VERY WORD....CHRIST, meaning the Power of God...goes to the very heart of the matter.....Binding and Loosening...
Gods POWER “IN” a man...IS the POWER for an individual man to “HOLD TO”, be BINDED to ....... Gods TRUTH.
Gods POWER “IN” a man...IS the POWER for an individual man to
“LOOSE”, LET GO of........... That which is OPPOSITION of Gods TRUTH.
Gods POWER “IN” a man, is NOT exclusive to Peter or Paul.
Peter and Paul are simply Scripturally Revealed Chosen and Appoint Teachers/ examples of ANYONE chosen or appointed among men TO TEACH.
Scriptural examples of TEACHERS, are ALWAYS taught IN BINDING, to Gods Word, The supreme Truth.
Scriptural examples of TEACHERS, NOT Bind-ed, (loosed), IS the teaching of “some teachers”, Teaching the words of a “FALSE CHRIST”.
ANOMALY...confusion, corruption.
Teaching to men, Trust the Teacher.
Teaching to men, Trust the Teacher, no matter what.
Peter did not Teach, HE is the ROCK.
Peter did not Teach, HE was the Pope.
Peter did not Teach, Mary was sinless.
Peter did not Teach, Pray TO dead saints.
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Jesus, Peter, John, Paul, other scriptural Teaches TAUGHT, Teach Gods Word, verify what you HEAR is Gods word...
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Because what YOU BIND on earth, shall be BIND-ED in Heaven...and that which YOU LOOSE on earth, shall be LOOS-ED in Heaven....
AND WHAT?
WHAT does that mean? ONLY Peter can BIND and LOOSE? No. ANY Teacher of Scriptural content can BIND and LOOSE.
And is that TO SAY, Heaven will be FULL OF confused Corruption?
Some things BIND-ED....Some thing LOOS-ED?
In a weird WAY......YES.
We do not SEE Heaven...YET We talk about it, Discuss it, and TEACHERS teach THEIR VIEW, and MANY students ADOPT the view of their TEACHERS.............VOID of bothering to VERIFY.
Saying....THE VIEW of Heaven, (what is BINDED and LOOSED) ON Earth, IS being (BINDED and LOOSED) IN Heaven. (Views and perspectives OF men).
Catholics HAVE a list a mile long of DEAD MEN, they have Declared Saints, OF this thing and that thing....and Praying IN THEIR NAME, IS their teaching advocacy OF HOW their Prayers (for this thing or that thing), will be advantageous for the one praying, to get their prayers on the EXPRESS LANE to God.
Men (teachers) ON Earth Teach and Preach such things....It is BINDED on Earth and LOOSED on Earth...BINDED in Heaven and LOOSED in Heaven......and (btw falsely attributed to being Peter’s teaching),
Does it mean their teaching IS TRUE? No.
It simply means, truth begets truth and corruption begets corruption and it is not LIMITED to an earthly BODY of man or a spiritual SOUL of man....
It is not LIMITED to only the Earth.
It is NOT ONLY the Earth that has become Corrupted...and The Scriptural Teaching of a promise of a ......NEW EARTH...
SO ALSO SHALL BE A NEW HEAVEN.
So, no, I do not believe, Binding and Loosening of WHATSOEVER, IS exclusive to Peter or Paul.
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