THE THRONE OF THE BEAST - HOW TO RECOGNIZE IT

[The Light]

Your "facts" are so full of falsehood that it's best and wisest to leave you in it until the day dawns and the true light shines, because answering all the falsehood - sometimes mixed a little with truth, but nevertheless with a lot of falsehood - is a waste of (a lot of precious) time that can be far better spent on more important things, since you will still be blind and be led by the blind until that day when the true light of Christ dispels all your darkness.

The only falsehood I saw was your teachers. All you have to do is look up the date of Passover, Nissan 14, in 30 AD. It is on a Wednesday which means it is impossible for Christ to have died in 30 AD because He died on a Friday. Falsifying charts does not change the truth. If you are not enough of a man of God to admit the truth, that is how it is. The foolish virgins will say Lord, Lord open to us.

 

[The Light]

Ahhh, you are hung up on that sane 6th Seal stuff. You can't get past it.

Why would I get past it. Jesus tells us about the endtimes and the end of the age in Matthew 24 and John tells us exactly the same thing in Revelation 6. How you do not see that I can't comprehend. Jesus tells us about the beginning of sorrows. John gives us the exact same information with the 4 horsemen of the Apocalypse., the first four seals. Then Jesus tells us about the Great Tribulation and John gives us the 5th seal. The Jesus tells us He is coming immediately after the tribulation and gives us the cosmic signs of the sun, moon and stars. John gives us the same cosmic signs at the 6th seal and the world says hid us for Him that sits upon the throne. How you can't see that Jesus and John are telling us the exact same story, I'm speechless. I can't figure out why you can't see this. They both give you the signs.

The Seals DO NOTHING,

The seals are the 70th week of Daniel.

The Jews will repent just before the DOTL, as Zechariah 13:8-9 shows, seeing as the very next verse is Zech. 14:1 and shows the DOTL arriving

The Jews in the nation of Israel that heed the Word will flee to a place of protection. They do this when the abomination of desolation occurs. After the tribulation those Jews go through the wrath of God in a place of protection. That is not the case for the seed of the woman. The seed of the woman is the 12 tribes across the earth that the dragon will go after when he can't get to the woman. The seed of the woman that remains alive unto the coming of the Lord will be raptured at the last trump at the 6th seal. The 144,000 are the first fruits of this harvest.

. They never see Jesus returning else they would have to have been saved prior to the Pre Trib Rapture. Evidently you are conflating the LAST TRUMP with a REvelation Trump, which it has absolutely nothing to do with.

The Church will be raptured before the seals (the 70th week of Daniel) are opened. That is why you see 24 elders in heaven with reward crowns. Jesus has come and His reward is with Him. Then God turns His attention to Israel. The seed of the woman will be raptured at the last trump which happens BEFORE the trumpets of wrath.

It astonishes me when a guy is PRE TRIB but then rejects the very things that prove it because he has other ideas on things like the 6 Seal Return, you need to let that go, a SEAL binds a Book or Scroll, that is all. Jesus is FORTETELLING what the Anti-Christ does over the last 42 months in Seals 1-5 AND FORETELLING what the Wrath of God brings over the exact same 42 month period of time. Both start in Rev. 8 however, that is why the 7th Seal is over in Rev. 8. Do you know why heaven is silent ? For the same reason it grieved God to have to destroy the whole evil world by a flood, thus there is no celebration, no glory, Heaven is sad because Judgment has come finally in Rev. 8 with the opening of the 7 Sealed Scroll of Judgments.

I am also astonished. I can't figure out how you do not see that Jesus and John tell the EXACT same story. The first 6 seals are Matthew 24 (up to the coming of Jesus when He sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth)

The LAST TRUMP is Pre Trib, it ends the Harvest or Church Age. NO ONE will now the exact day nor hour BUT.......we can know THEV SEASON.

The Last Trump is for the seed of the woman. The day of the Lord won't take them by surprise. They will know exactly when He is coming. The Goodman, the Church will not know when the bridegroom will return.

Yes indeed we are gone before the 70th week, Israel only repens as a Nation during the 70th week, that is why I said they will not understand the LAST TRUMP which is Jesus ending the Harvest.

When the Pentecost early summer harvest happens with the rapture of the Church, the twelve tribes across the earth will realize they missed it. Part of Israel will have its eyes opened when the fulness of Gentiles comes in. What will these Jews say?

Jeremiah 8
20 The harvest is past, the summer is ended, and we are not saved.

No, we are the First-fruits of the Barley, Israel are the First-fruits of the Wheat, Barley can be sifted without being crushed, Wheat has to be crushed before it can be sifted

You've been watching too much Perry Stone.

The barley harvest will likely be the dead in Christ. We, the Church, will not proceed those that sleep. Pentecost, the first trump harvest feast is for the Church.

. The 7 Feasts tell the whole story, 1.) Passover via Jesus Christs saving blood 2.) Unleavened Bread (he knew no sin 3.) First-fruits (Jesus was the first-fruits of the Grave, not the Church.

The seven feasts do tell the story. When the harvest is past and summer has ended, the Jews will realize they are not saved. The days of the Great Tribulation will be cut short or there would be no flesh saved. Only the dead would be saved.

The Harvest/Pentecost started the Church Age, 4.) Feast of Weeks ( Why would the Rapture be here? This is the 2000 some odd year Church Age, or TIME OF THE GENTILES, when the

Pentecost is the first harvest feast (Yeah, I know, barley) But the barley and wheat loaves are presented at the same time. Since the Church age was started on Pentecost it is likely that Pentecost is our harvest feast.

5.) Feast of Trumps blow (the LAST TRUMP) the Harvest will end, then Israel MUST ATONE which equals the 6.) Feast of Atonement and then finally the Kingdom Age comes in via the 7.) Feast of Tabernacles where Jesus will dwell with Israel for 1000 years.

You need to realize this....... The Church will be raptured BEFORE the 70th week of Daniel (The seals) The seed of the woman will be raptured before the day of wrath. The 144,000 are first fruits of this rapture. Jesus comes at the 6th seal. Here is the harvest.

Revelation 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

God subs in the Church (Gentiles/a people I have not known) to take the place of a backslidden Israel, who MUST REPENT or ATONE before the 70th week ends. So, the LAST TRUMP ends the Summer Harvest just like it did for Israel, then Israel must ATONE, only then can Jesus RETURN to Dwell with Israel for the Kingdom Age. The Harvest ENDS in the fall, not the Summer.

Only the nation of Israel, those that flee as instructed to a place of protection will go through the wrath of God along with unbelievers. Both the Church and the 12 tribes across the earth believers will be raptured for the marriage supper. None of Gods people are appointed to wrath.

I have enjoyed conversing with you even though our views are quite different. I am able to follow you completely because talking to you is like talking to me 15-20 years ago. So none of what you are saying is slipping through the cracks. I really liked you bringing up Apophis. I'm no date setter, but we are instructed to watch..... and BE READY. Six years before Apophis would be 2023. Very interesting.

 

[ewq1938]

The only falsehood I saw was your teachers. All you have to do is look up the date of Passover, Nissan 14, in 30 AD. It is on a Wednesday which means it is impossible for Christ to have died in 30 AD because He died on a Friday. Falsifying charts does not change the truth. If you are not enough of a man of God to admit the truth, that is how it is. The foolish virgins will say Lord, Lord open to us.

Christ died on a Wednesday, was in teh grave thurs Fri Sat, 3 days and nights and rose early on Sunday. AD30 is likely the correct year. Jesus did not die on a Friday because that cannot provide the required 3 days and nights.

 

[The Light]

Your "facts" are so full of falsehood that it's best and wisest to leave you in it until the day dawns and the true light shines, because answering all the falsehood - sometimes mixed a little with truth, but nevertheless with a lot of falsehood - is a waste of (a lot of precious) time that can be far better spent on more important things, since you will still be blind and be led by the blind until that day when the true light of Christ dispels all your darkness.

All you ever post is a weak opinion without bringing any of these so-called facts to light. That seems to be pretty common with all those that claim that they have replaced Israel.

 

[Phoneman777]

This isn't true.

A beast has also been used to represent a person or persons:

Ecclesiastes 3:18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.


Titus 1:12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.


2 Peter 2:12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;


Jude 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.


Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Let's not confuse prophetic symbolism passages with the non-prophetic. In symbolic, prophetic passages of revelation, BEASTS ALWAYS REPRESENT KINGDOMS.

 

[Phoneman777]

Christ died on a Wednesday, was in teh grave thurs Fri Sat, 3 days and nights and rose early on Sunday. AD30 is likely the correct year. Jesus did not die on a Friday because that cannot provide the required 3 days and nights.

Inclusive Reckoning perfectly accomodates 3 days and 3 nights between Friday just before Sunset until Sunday morning. Inclusive Reckoning...ever hear of it? Check it.

 

[ewq1938]

Inclusive Reckoning perfectly accomodates 3 days and 3 nights between Friday just before Sunset until Sunday morning. Inclusive Reckoning...ever hear of it? Check it.

That includes a Thursday night completing the 3 nights but leaves only 2 days. Only a Wednesday death and early Thursday burial has 3 days and nights.

 

[The Light]

That includes a Thursday night completing the 3 nights but leaves only 2 days. Only a Wednesday death and early Thursday burial has 3 days and nights.

Problem is what you are saying does not agree with the Word.

 

[ewq1938]

Problem is what you are saying does not agree with the Word.

You have it backwards. What YOU are saying doesn't match the Word. Mine matches because only a Wed death and earth Thurs burial matches the 3 days and nights prophecy.

 

[The Light]

You have it backwards. What YOU are saying doesn't match the Word. Mine matches because only a Wed death and earth Thurs burial matches the 3 days and nights prophecy.

Apparently you missed phonemans post. I will repost it for you.

Inclusive Reckoning perfectly accomodates 3 days and 3 nights between Friday just before Sunset until Sunday morning. Inclusive Reckoning...ever hear of it? Check it.

 

[ewq1938]

Apparently you missed phonemans post. I will repost it for you.

Inclusive Reckoning perfectly accomodates 3 days and 3 nights between Friday just before Sunset until Sunday morning. Inclusive Reckoning...ever hear of it? Check it.

Still not enough days in that. He would need to be buried during Thursday day and night plus Fri and Sat to fulfill the prophecy. That's why a Wed death and a Early Thursday burial is the only one that works.

 

[The Light]

Still not enough days in that. He would need to be buried during Thursday day and night plus Fri and Sat to fulfill the prophecy. That's why a Wed death and a Early Thursday burial is the only one that works.

Not correct. Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Inclusive reckoning. 3 days 3 nights.

Also, you have Jesus buried the day after he died. Not scriptural.

Luke 23
52 This man went unto Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus.

53 And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid.

54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.

55 And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.

56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

Matthew 27
57 When the even was come, there came a rich man of Arimathaea, named Joseph, who also himself was Jesus' disciple:

58 He went to Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus. Then Pilate commanded the body to be delivered.

59 And when Joseph had taken the body, he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth,

60 And laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn out in the rock: and he rolled a great stone to the door of the sepulchre, and departed.

Jesus was buried on the day he died.

 

[ewq1938]

Not correct. Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Inclusive reckoning. 3 days 3 nights.

That has no third night. He was out of the grave on Sunday so no Sunday night..

Also, you have Jesus buried the day after he died. Not scriptural.

You don't understand how days work according to the Jews. He died one day, buried the next day. That would seem the same day to you but that's not how it works since a new day happened around 6pm that evening.

 

[Zao is life]

When Jesus was dying on the cross, one of the things that must have grieved Him the most, is the fact that those who claim to know Him would be fighting about which day of the week and which year He suffered that cruel death.

I repent of getting myself involved in that fight with anyone in @Christian Gedge's thread. I was actually responding to the arrogant rudeness and insults of those who were disagreeing with him, but even so, out of respect for Jesus I should have prayed instead of getting involved in it. We all know by now that our Lord was crucified in either A.D30 or A.D 33, either on 15 Nisan or on 14 Nisan of the biblical calendar.

What His death means to us and why He was crucified in the first place (because of the very sinfulness displayed by myself and others in arguing about which day of the week or year it was) is what's important. It's so easy to say, "This is why I believe He died on 15 Nisan, A.D 30". Personally, I don't know what day of the week that was, in 30 A.D, and I don't really have to know, so if I find out, it will be because personally, it's nice to know.

False teaching about Israel is something far more serious. The false teachers who teach it should be called out for what they are - false teachers. And the fact that these false teachers are so misinformed about who Israel is that they teach all sorts of eschatological scenarios that aint never gonna happen, is a legitimate subject. Too bad it causes the false teachers to become enraged and begin to hurl adhominum attacks and insults against any believer in Jesus who exposes the fallacy of their beliefs. It's still necessary to do.

This thread began as me sharing an observation about what was going on with the "Balaam prophets" in the church at Pergamon - the name Balaam implying that there were false prophets in that church who were teaching the beast of the day how to cause the saints to slip up by enticing them into idolatry - in a city that Jesus called "the seat of Satan" which housed a temple to Zeus - and how both these facts AND His warning to that church (the specific wording of His warning to them) may teach us something about what will be going on when Satan gives the beast his seat, his power, and great authority (in whichever city that might be).

Let's not insult Jesus any further by fighting about which day He was crucified as "The Light" is so eager to do - both in Chris' thread, and this one. The reason He was crucified is what's important. Arguing about which day it was is shameful. Please let's all just leave this topic alone.

You have it backwards. What YOU are saying doesn't match the Word. Mine matches because only a Wed death and earth Thurs burial matches the 3 days and nights prophecy.

Inclusive Reckoning perfectly accomodates 3 days and 3 nights between Friday just before Sunset until Sunday morning. Inclusive Reckoning...ever hear of it? Check it.

Not correct. Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Inclusive reckoning. 3 days 3 nights.

Also, you have Jesus buried the day after he died. Not scriptural.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

I get it. And yet we differ as you believe the season will be the fall with the Feast of Trumpets. I think the season will be in the early summer, Pentecost harvest....summer is near.

Summer is near is just a juxtaposition comparing something being NEAR via the SIGNS, it has nothing to do with the Raptures timing, Jesus brought us the Holy Spirit at Pentecost, the Harvest "(Church Age) is ending, NOT BEGINNING. The Holy Spirit was needed for the Harvest, the Angel in Rev. 14:6 takes over the Harvest after the Rapture.

The temple was destroyed and yet there is still one stone upon another.

No there is not, you are speaking of the Outer Court, NOT the Temple. Look it up, why do you insist on calling the Outer Court the Temple? The Outer Court was where the Gentiles were allowed to enter, Rev. 11:1-3 shows the difference via John being shown who the Two-witnesses have been sent back to get repentance from.

Rev. 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. (Jews ONLY)

2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

See that passage brother? The Outer Court is NOT PART of the Temple !! God uses the above in order to show us whom the coming Two-witnesses are sent unto, in order to get the Jews ONLY to Repent, that is their one and only job as far as repentance goes. They are also sent to pray down the Judgments against the whole world. Like Moses' staff so to speak.

This is a future false Christ, not one from before 70 AD. The first false Christ of the last days will be the rider on the white horse, the seventh king.

No, you do not grasp the meaning. The Jews in the end time do not accept the Anti-Christ, we get this false notion because many do not discern the scriptures correctly, who was Jesus speaking to? Modern day Pharisees of HIS TIME, so prey tell me, how could the Pharisees he was speaking to REJECT him and then ACCEPR ANOTHER 2000 years later? It is not possible, men do not live that long. NOTICE, in verse 6 Jesus says the end (70th week to come) is by and by or later on, thus telling us the 70 AD events were indeed NOT his Second Coming. Thus everything in verses 4-6 is about the 70 AD events, not the very END TIMES, else why would Jesus say the end is LATER ON in verse 6 ? That END can be seen in verse 14, the Gospel is taken unto the whole world an THEN the end comes !! So, nothing in verses 4-14 are about the 70th week end times, its just bad eschatology brother. The THREE Christ mentions are THREE SEPERATE MARKERS for us to understand. The Pharisee/Jews understanding that Rome was the Fourth Beast (easy to see, they were learned men, just not spiritual men) tried to put forth messianic figures to save them, this is WELL KNOW in history. The false prophets in verse 11 are just that, and they are used in the context of how "THE DISCIPLES" will be put to death, the whole chapter up to verse 14 was Jesus forewarning the Disciples of what to expect, thus they would not be like Judas and turn away at the last moment, out of fear. he FOREWARNED THEM they would all die for a reason, so they knew it was coming !! Its mostly about Jesus telling them how to stay on course, how to ENDURE until the end [of their lives]. You guys fail to see that. He warns then the END is by and by then tells them what brings the END (70th week). The Gospel had to be preached unto ALL THE WORLD, so right away they knew 70 AD could not be THE END, because India and China and the far nations had not been preached unto. Therefore God gave them that understanding, then he FOREWARNS THEM that they will all DIE at the hands of False Prophets in verse 11 and tells them in verse 13 THEY MUST ENDURE and you guys see that as end times, it is not !! Its all about the Disciples and their Survival Guide Instructions from Jesus. Only AFTER verse 14 do we see the END TIMES or 70th week. Jesus wanted them to know they would all be killed save John.

These are future wars like Russia attacking Ukraine and rumors of wars as would be China threating Tiawan.

These are Church Age Wars that linger on and on until the BABY (70th week) is BORN. They started with the Church Age Period and will get worse and worse as Birth Pangs do until the very end. Which was Jesus' point, the END is later on. But birth pangs have a starting point and only THE BABY (70th week) ends the pangs. Whoever it was that came up with all of these things being END TIMES did a disservice unto the Church, this is MOSTLY a Survival Guide for the Disciples.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

The beginning of sorrows has not begun and will not begin until after the fulness of the Gentiles comes in. Then the 70th week of Daniel will begin with the confirming of the covenant for one week (the 70th week)

Wrong brother, try reading it with an OPEN MIND, its all about the Disciples, every KEY is about THE DISCPLES and what they need to do to survive, ANN about what they would face. Thus they needed to ENDURE, you being Pre Trib how can you even argue against verse 14 being The Rapture point? Then in verse 15 we see the AoD !! I will tell you why, when we are taught things our brains LOCK IN, and we get tunnel vision. I once thought the same thing, but it DOESN'T ADD UP. The Birth Pangs bring the baby (70th week END TIMES).

These verses are about the Great Tribulation.

No it is not, the Gospel must be taken unto the ENDS OF THE EARTH, then the END COMES (70th week) Try reading without a preconceived assumption. Tunnel vision blinds us. In agree, NO SEALS are opened yet.

The fig tree has everything to do with two harvests, one when it will be like the days of Noah where Noah is in the ark 7 days before the flood and one wihen it will be like the days of Lot where the very day Lot left Sodom, destruction came.

Not so, Jesus is simply using this a a Parable to give us a JUXTAPOSTION, the SIGNS seen in Matt. 24:6-31 show us Summer is Near if we watch for these signs. Jesus could have just as easy have used a SIGN showing Winter was near !! You miss the overall point of the parable brother. The parable is only three verses, its not a part of verses 36-51 nor 4-31.

Honestly, I heard about it years ago but haven't given it any thought. They now claim it will not hit the earth, not that I trust what they say.

THEY are liars..........a Scientist friend of Tom Horn who had the vision stated ANYONE saying a huge space rock could come with 19k miles (10 times closer than the moon) and then say without a doubt it was not going tom hit is just pulling your leg. A rock that heats up with a sun burst can chance a small degree and over years that small degree can altar the course easily. Also, do you think these eve=il world leaders we have would tell you and cause panic? They want to be in a position to survive it themselves, they do not want world wide panic, they want to be able to build places only the elite can gain access to. They are not going to tell you the truth. By the way, Tom Horn who had the vision, also had a vision and foretold of the Pope resigning in office, that had not happened in over 600 years !!His friends told him he just ruined his reputation. LOOK AT THE SIGNS, it is time, Apophis will hit earth.

The pretrib rapture would have to happen 6 years or more before the wrath of God. I know you won't understand this but there is a difference between the tribulation and the wrath of God. The tribulation is over before the 6th seal. Then the wrath of God begins.

No, the Wrath of God (Seal #6 is Jesus FORETELLING about God's wrath to come as soon as the Asteroid Strikes in Revelation 8. But the TROUBLES of Jacob start at the EXACT SAME TIME, because Seal 1-5 are Jesus FORETELLING us what the Anti-Christs rule will bring over the exact same 42 month period of time, the Anti-Christ is not allowed to GO FORTH CONQUERING until the Asteroid hits in Rev. 8 !! You confuse the Seals as Judgments, they are simply BINDING a Judgment book of Scrolls. THINK, 1-5 is just Jesus saying when he goes forth he will 1.) Conquer for 42 months 2.) Take away Peace/Bring Wars for 42 months 3.) Which bring Famine for 42 months 4.) which brings Death/Sickness for and the Grave/Hades 42 months. 5.) And he will Martyr the Saints for 42 months (Gentile Saints who come to Christ).

What is it about a SEALED BOOK you can never grasp that it just SEALS the Scroll of Judgments? Honestly it boggles my mid people can not understand the Seals are just the Trumpet Judgments FORETOLD !! Look at Seal #6, it FORETELLS that the Sun and Moon go dark, well isn't that what Trump #4 BRINGS? Joel 2:31 also foretold this !! Tunnel vision on this keeps you from looking at it for what it is brother. You have already been taught this, this and this thus you can't see what it really is when God really decides to reveal these things in the end times you are going by men who were MERELY GUESSING before the end times came (NOW). So, both the 42 Month Wrath of God and the Time of Jacobs trouble happen over the exact same 42 month period. The Anti-Christ DIES at the 7th vial !!

The above verses when compared should tell you that the tribulation is over at the 6 seal and Jesus comes for the second harvest. The 144,000 are the first fruits of this harvest.

That being said if that is the asteroid that will fall in the sea (which we don't know at this time) then that would place the rapture of the Church at Pentecost 2023.

If you ever get the 6th Seal is a Prophecy you might get it brother. The Rapture has to be in the Fall. What about the Seven Feasts timing do you not get? Jesus died at PASSOVER, he was UNLEAVED BREAD and he was FIRST-FRUITS, we are in THE HARVEST, the Harvest always ends at the LAAST TRUMP in the Fall !!!! Then Atonement comes in THE FALL, then comes the Feast of Tabernacles !! You get twisted all around brother.

There are no 144,000 that is a CODE for the 1/3's real number, about 5 million Jews.

The Church has to be raptured before the 70th week of Daniel begins. The tribulation is over before the wrath of God begins at the 6th seal. Wrath is part of the 70th week. I believe the correct calculation would be 6 years.

You simple to not understand the End Time Timing of things brother. Yes, the Church is raptured Pre Trib, the 6th Seal DOES NOTHING. You do not understand this.

The Feast of Trumpets is for the second harvest. It is for the Jews but not the nation of Israel. The nation of Israel will flee to a place of protection. The rapture of the Church will likely happen on Pentecost, the first harvest feast.

It is THE RAPTURE of the Bride of Jesus, Israel are already married unto God the Father. The Rapture happens on the Feast of Trumps in the fall. Jesus at Pentecost brought us the Holy Spirit as a gift.

The date of the coming of Jesus would be before that 2nd trumpet happening,

Jesus comes Pre Trib for his Bride. Jesus then returns at the Second Coming at Vial #7. The 7 Vials are the 3rd Woe in full.

 

[The Light]

Your "facts" are so full of falsehood that it's best and wisest to leave you in it until the day dawns and the true light shines,

In other words, you can't produce a single shred of evidence that what I am saying is not the truth.

because answering all the falsehood - sometimes mixed a little with truth, but nevertheless with a lot of falsehood - is a waste of (a lot of precious) time that can be far better spent on more important things, since you will still be blind and be led by the blind until that day when the true light of Christ dispels all your darkness.

Your lack of understanding is only preceded by your willingness to reject the truth.

 

[The Light]

THEY are liars..........a Scientist friend of Tom Horn who had the vision stated ANYONE saying a huge space rock could come with 19k miles (10 times closer than the moon) and then say without a doubt it was not going tom hit is just pulling your leg. A rock that heats up with a sun burst can chance a small degree and over years that small degree can altar the course easily. Also, do you think these eve=il world leaders we have would tell you and cause panic? They want to be in a position to survive it themselves, they do not want world wide panic, they want to be able to build places only the elite can gain access to. They are not going to tell you the truth. By the way, Tom Horn who had the vision, also had a vision and foretold of the Pope resigning in office, that had not happened in over 600 years !!His friends told him he just ruined his reputation. LOOK AT THE SIGNS, it is time, Apophis will hit earth.

I was thinking about this last night. Of course they would not tell us if it was going to hit the earth, even if they knew. So, 2029 spring, means 6 years before would be Pentecost 2023. We are told to watch for a reason. BTW, the seals are the 70th week of Daniel and will not be opened before the rapture of the Church.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

Why would I get past it. Jesus tells us about the endtimes and the end of the age in Matthew 24 and John tells us exactly the same thing in Revelation 6.

As long as you do not understand Matt. 24 has NOTHING to do with Rev. 6 UNTIL Matt. 24:15 you will never get it brother.

How you do not see that I can't comprehend. Jesus tells us about the beginning of sorrows.

Which BIRTHS the baby or 70th week END TIMES.........as seen in Matt. 24:15-31.

John gives us the exact same information with the 4 horsemen of the Apocalypse., the first four seals

No he doesn't you are confusing the Church Age with the 70th week.

Then Jesus tells us about the Great Tribulation and John gives us the 5th seal.

The Great Tribulation STARTS with the First Trump, why can't you get what a SEALED MESSAGE was back in the day? It meant that you could not read the MESSAGE until every seal was off. So, by using this Jesus would be telling his Church of 2000 some odd years ago THIS:

There is a MESSAGE of COMING Judgment, (Judgment Scrolls) and ONLY when I take all 7 Seals off can THAT MESSAGE or THAT JUDGMENT be brought forth against the Nations.



Kings Sealed messages, if the Seals were off the messages could be read, therefore the person carrying the massage would be a traitor and put to death. Can ONE SEAL being loosed reveal the message? No can 6 Seals being loosed reveal the message? No !! Only when ALL 7 SEALS are taken off can the Judgments be read from. You think the Seals are the Judgments, as I did for years, it is not. The Seals BIND the Parchments rolled up of Judgments. Jesus Prophesies what is coming as he takes each Seal off in Heaven standing in the midst pf the Raptured Church.

Take a closet with 7 locks on it, with different gifts in the closet, as you open each lock you FORETELL what will be seen when you finally open the door........BUT all 7 locks must be taken off before you can open the door, in order to reveal the gifts !! Why is this so hard to understand? TUNNEL VISION !! Seal #6 AND Joel 2:31 are the SAME PROPHECY watch !!

Rev. 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth(Satan cast down to earth or an Asteroid OR BOTH), even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

Joel 2:30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. 31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the Lord come.

Joel Prophesies about this COMING EVENT which will happen 2500 years later, then via the Seals Jesus ALSO PROPHSIES about this soon to come event as he opens the Seals which are like a CLOSET DOOR with 7 locks on it !! He FORETELLS of this event right here:

Rev. 8:12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

So, you can not see that the 6th Seal is Jesus FORETELLING what is coming when Judgment finally falls? You actually think the Sun and Moon go DARK TWICE hey? Psst, Jesus AND Joel both foretell of the same event, you just can not grasp that the Seals are Jesus opening the Judgment Scroll, you have been taught the Seals are Judgments, they are not. The tunnel vision has you unable to see this, In had this same TUNNEL VISION for 30 plus years LOL no kidding. The First Four Trumps are ONE ASTEROID IMPACT, that starts the Wrath of God and ONLY THEN is the Anti-Christ allowed to go forth conquering. That is why the 1290 is not the Anti-Christ but is instead the False Prophet. Who places the IMAGE in Rev. 13? The False Prophet. Who therefore places the AoD and therefore also takes away the Sacrifice (Jesus Worship) in Dan. 12 !! The False Prophet. Why does Rev. 10 tells us when the Seven Thunders Sound time will be no more? [as we know it] ? Because the 7 Trumps ARE God's Wrath !! The Seals only open up the Scroll with the Wrath written therein. Just like the 7 Locks on the closet contain the actual gifts, no one would say opening 1 lock WAS A GIFT !! God wrote this Himself, of course He made it impossible to decipher until the very end times (NOW). You are following things that men thought 100 years ago or even 30 years ago, before God decided to reveal His deep truths in full.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

The Jesus tells us He is coming immediately after the tribulation and gives us the cosmic signs of the sun, moon and stars. John gives us the same cosmic signs at the 6th seal and the world says hid us for Him that sits upon the throne. How you can't see that Jesus and John are telling us the exact same story, I'm speechless. I can't figure out why you can't see this. They both give you the signs.

You do not see how the Prophesies of old work, IMMEDIATLY AFTER the Troubles means after the 1260 days of TROUBLE why don't you get that? Not IMMEDIATLY AFTER the begin !! Likewise, Zechariah 14:1-2 is about Jerusalem getting sacked by the Anti-Christ, then in verses 3-4 on its about Jesus RETURNING to defeat the Anti-Christ/Little Horn, but it jumps 3.5 years from verse 2-3 WATCH.

Zechariah 14:1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. 2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken,(Israel sacked) and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

THEN WE JUMP 3.5 YEARS IN TIME.................................

3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. 4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

The FORMER are the TROUBLES the LATTER are Jesus showing up IMMEDITELY AFTER those troubles end, heck, HE ENDS THEM, that is what it means !! What id doesn't mean is he shows up IMMEDIATELY AFTER the troubles start !! Jesus gives you the cosmic signs of what STARTS THOSE TROUBLES, not what ENDS THEM !! John in Seal #6 is giving you a Jesus Prophetic Statement of what is soon to come when the 7th Seal is finally OPENED, thus there is SILENCE (Sadness) in Heaven. Judgment has arrived, God takes no joy in judging mankind, neither do the Angels.

How you can't see that Jesus and John are telling us the exact same story, I'm speechless. I can't figure out why you can't see this. They both give you the signs.

You have been taught this so you have a blind spot, I get it. But what I am telling you is TRUTH. Try looking at it in another manner with an open mind, if not you will never see it.

The seals are the 70th week of Daniel.

The Seals are Jesus Prophesying the Judgments which lay ahead.

The Jews in the nation of Israel that heed the Word will flee to a place of protection. They do this when the abomination of desolation occurs. After the tribulation those Jews go through the wrath of God in a place of protection. That is not the case for the seed of the woman. The seed of the woman is the 12 tribes across the earth that the dragon will go after when he can't get to the woman. The seed of the woman that remains alive unto the coming of the Lord will be raptured at the last trump at the 6th seal. The 144,000 are the first fruits of this harvest.

You simply do not understand THE TIMING of anything via the End Times. The Jews REPENT right BEFORE the Wrath of God as Zechariah 13:8-9 AND 14:1 shows. The Woman is Israel, nothing to do with Lost Tribes, give me a break, there are NO LOST TRIBES and never were, that is the World Wide Church of God teaching, a cult. LISTEN TO God, He says I have SAVED MYSELF 7000 men, thus there were never any lost tribes. The Woman is Israel who repents then Flees into the Petra/Bozrah area. The Dragon goes after the REMNANT of Her Seed............who is the Seed? Read Gal 3 it was ONE SEED, Jesus Christ, so the Remnant of HER SEED is the Church Remnant on earth AFTER the Pre Trib Rapture, it PROVES te Pre Trib Rapture, but you overlook it.

Let me PROVE the Remnant CAN NOT be Jews of ANY SORT. The 1/3 Repent, so the 2/3 who refuse to repent can not be a REMNANT which means a small part of something left, like a sleeve of a dress etc. The 1/3 can nit be the Remnant because Satan can not get at her and gets ANGRY, turns to go after the Remnant of Jesus (HER SEED she birthed). We ALSO SEE thos Remnant have the TESTIMONY of Jesus and KEEP God's Commands, well Zechariah 13:8-9 says the 2/3 will be cut off and die, WHY? Because they do nit REPENT, so it can not be them either, they do not have the testimony of Jesus do they? But the REMNANT CHURCH who come to Jesus during the Tribulation would indeed have the Testimony of Jesus Christ wouldn't they? And they would thus be Martyred because of this and thus the Remnant is the Gentile Church who come to Christ during the 70th week. This PROVES a Pre Trib Rapture !! Use all of your tools brother!