Paul claimed 3 times that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality.

[Ronald Nolette]

I believe that The mark of the beast was (the head) a devotion to Cesar and (the hand) doing his will. The saints who didn’t were persecuted for 3 1/2 years from Nero. Peter and Paul we’re also martyred under Nero

It can’t be a physical mark because that would violate the promise of salvation to all who believe.

Well that is you redfining the bible with saying the bible didn't mean what was written plainly. You need to prove that. So you think the mark is not around today?

Teh bible clearly shows the mark is a physical stamp.

 

[WPM]

So believe the Jer. 31 covenant is not valid?

What are you talking about? There is only one new covenant.

When Jesus cried it is finished, the old covenant sacrifice system was finished. This was reinforced by the ripping of the temple curtain in two. Christ was the final sacrifice for sin.

Hebrews 7:27 says of Christ and His final atonement, “Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.”

Hebrews 9:28 explains that "Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many.”

Hebrews 10:10 says, “we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.”

Hebrews 10:12 says, “this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God.”

Hebrews 10:14 says, “For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.”

There it is! Clear and irrefutable! This is the sacrifice to end all sacrifices forever!!! "Forever" actually means "forever."

Romans 6:10 says, “he died unto sin once.”

1 Peter 3:18 says, “For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit.”

Hebrews 9:12 explains, “by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.”

Christ put an end of sin by this final transaction for sin, thus making an end of sin forever for those who would believe. There will never again be a sacrifice for sin. Christ’s atonement satisfied heaven’s holy demands and ensured that there would never again be another sacrifice/offering for sin carrying God’s blessing.

 

[Marty fox]

Well that is you redfining the bible with saying the bible didn't mean what was written plainly. You need to prove that. So you think the mark is not around today?

Teh bible clearly shows the mark is a physical stamp.

If the mark is a physical mark can John 3:16 stand?

 

[Marty fox]

Since this mark only comes around after the 7th Trumpet starts to sound declaring time over for Adam's dead corruptible flesh, it is physical. As God stamps this expiration date of ultimate death on every human at the same time their names are removed from the Lamb's book of life.

Once a person is removed from the Lamb's book of life, God is no longer bound to redeem that person. They had to at the point of no return make a conscious decision to be removed.

Notice that Satan prohibited participating in his government and economy until they receive the mark. Satan is not handing out the mark, nor forcing it on anybody. I think people will face God directly while looking at the GWT and asked to be removed from the Lamb's book of life, and thus God stamps the expiration date of Adam's punishment as a physical reminder to whom they now belong to, Satan the father of all disobedience. What is wrong with the 144k walking around with God's seal on them?

At this point, all can see the face of the one sitting on the GWT: Revelation 6:14-16.

"And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne."

When heaven is rolled back as in dissolved in 2 Peter 3, spiritual blindness will be gone as well. These humans are dead and dying anyway, looking on God's face at that time will not matter, like it has over the last, almost 6,000 years.

Still not sure why some cannot grasp the sudden and unexpected change that is soon to happen to this earth. Trying to force Revelation into the first century is about as wise as burying one's head in the sand.

People expect this man of sin to be revealed is like introducing the next presidential candidate. Satan is about to be free to come out of hiding. Do you think he had a lot of attention and grandstanding in the first century? Satan appeared to Jesus in the wilderness, so he was out stretching his legs then. But do you really think he was playing the part of the dragon then, which would just prove to them, that if he existed then God and Jesus would be legitimized and faith would be meaningless.

God cannot in good faith remove names from the Lamb's book of life until Jesus removes all the seals. The opening of the 7th Seal will allow names to be removed. That is why the Second Coming at the 6th Seal happens and the 144k are sealed by God. Salvation is no longer by faith. John points this fact out that when the 6th Seal is opened, all on earth will see God sitting on that GWT. They will see Jesus come to earth as the Lamb of God, the Messiah about to sit on His throne as King. All that these people can think about is, "O boy, we are in trouble, the wrath of the Lord is about to fall" The removal of the firmament revealing that Satan's 14 billion year old universe is just a virtual mind game. The sudden appearance of God on the GWT, and the Lamb will certainly bring Satan out of the shadows.

Yet many here present arguments that Revelation already happened and there is really nothing ahead that will change, any time soon. Others claim it will be over so quickly, that if any one blinked, they will not even experience anything that happened.

What are you talking about that the mark comes after church 7th trumpet?

The 7th trumpet is at the end of our world on the judgement day

Revelation 11:18
18 The nations were angry,
and your wrath has come.
The time has come for judging the dead,
and for rewarding your servants the prophets
and your people who revere your name,
both great and small—
and for destroying those who destroy the earth.”

 

[WPM]

Teh bible clearly shows the mark is a physical stamp.

Where?

There are two marks in Revelation. Is God’s Mark (Revelation 3:12, 7:3, 4, x2, 5, x3, 6, x3, 7, x3, 8, x3, 9:4, 14:1, 22:4) literal and physical also?

BTW, when are you going to spell the word "the" correct? Can you not use the typo corrector?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I believe that The mark of the beast was (the head) a devotion to Cesar and (the hand) doing his will. The saints who didn’t were persecuted for 3 1/2 years from Nero. Peter and Paul we’re also martyred under Nero

It can’t be a physical mark because that would violate the promise of salvation to all who believe.

Well that is you redfining the bible with saying the bible didn't mean what was written plainly. You need to prove that. So you think the mark is not around today?

Teh bible clearly shows the mark is a physical stamp.

If the mark is a physical mark can John 3:16 stand?

Of course it can! why would you think otherwise?

If one accepts the physical mark of the beast- they have rejected Jesus which is why people are damned.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

What are you talking about? There is only one new covenant.

When Jesus cried it is finished, the old covenant sacrifice system was finished. This was reinforced by the ripping of the temple curtain in two. Christ was the final sacrifice for sin.

Hebrews 7:27 says of Christ and His final atonement, “Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.”

Hebrews 9:28 explains that "Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many.”

Hebrews 10:10 says, “we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.”

Hebrews 10:12 says, “this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God.”

Hebrews 10:14 says, “For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.”

There it is! Clear and irrefutable! This is the sacrifice to end all sacrifices forever!!! "Forever" actually means "forever."

Romans 6:10 says, “he died unto sin once.”

1 Peter 3:18 says, “For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit.”

Hebrews 9:12 explains, “by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.”

Christ put an end of sin by this final transaction for sin, thus making an end of sin forever for those who would believe. There will never again be a sacrifice for sin. Christ’s atonement satisfied heaven’s holy demands and ensured that there would never again be another sacrifice/offering for sin carrying God’s blessing.

Not one of these verses say anything about a covenant.

But Here is what God promised about a New Covenant:

Jeremiah 31:31-34

King James Version

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31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Or do you believe this promise is no longer valid?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Where?

There are two marks in Revelation. Is God’s Mark (Revelation 3:12, 7:3, 4, x2, 5, x3, 6, x3, 7, x3, 8, x3, 9:4, 14:1, 22:4) literal and physical also?

BTW, when are you going to spell the word "the" correct? Can you not use the typo corrector?

When are you going to get eschatological doctrine correct? I will take bas spelling for the over having to redefine the bible to form different doctrine.

But rev. 3 is grapho- not a mark.
Rev. 7 is sphragizo, all of them
Rev. 9 is sphragis (same as 7 just different case and tense)
rev. 14 is grapho
Rev. 22 speaks of no mark, writing , seal. but name is onoma
While the mark of the beast in Rev. 13 ( the only thing called mark BTW) is charagma. That is why the translators used different words, for they are different and do not mean the same as you are implying!

 

[Angel Faith]

Would Paul have known of John's Revelation?

 

[rwb]

When are you going to get eschatological doctrine correct? I will take bas spelling for the over having to redefine the bible to form different doctrine.

But rev. 3 is grapho- not a mark.
Rev. 7 is sphragizo, all of them
Rev. 9 is sphragis (same as 7 just different case and tense)
rev. 14 is grapho
Rev. 22 speaks of no mark, writing , seal. but name is onoma
While the mark of the beast in Rev. 13 ( the only thing called mark BTW) is charagma. That is why the translators used different words, for they are different and do not mean the same as you are implying!

One thing that makes it seem the mark will not be physical comes from Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. The same inability to buy or sell comes also to those who have the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Taking the name of the beast does not mean they are literally called the beast. It means to come under the authority of the beast, submitting to the beast is the same as taking his name. The number of his name too is to become one with the beast in thought (forehead) and/or deed (right hand). When attempting to understand the mark of the beast it is important to consider the verse in context to be sure we have arrived at the right understanding.

 

[WPM]

Not one of these verses say anything about a covenant.

But Here is what God promised about a New Covenant:

Jeremiah 31:31-34​

​

King James Version​

​

​

31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Or do you believe this promise is no longer valid?

Hello! He made this! Read the NT! He came and He finished the work for sin. How man times do you need Jesus to make a sacrifice? Is the cross not enough for you?

This is an ongoing reality.

The whole idea of God-ordained covenant is all about the substitutionary blood sacrifice. Hebrews 13:20 describes the new covenant as “the blood of the everlasting covenant [diathēkē or covenant].”

God decreed that “the blood … maketh atonement for the soul” (Leviticus 17:11). Atonement is the only possible means of salvation for sinful man. In fact, Hebrews 9:22 declares, “without shedding of blood is no remission” for sin. It is all about "the blood of the covenant [diathēkē or covenant]" secured by our Lord and Savior (Hebrews 10:29).

Jesus confirmed the covenant through His redemptive sacrifice at the cross. In Hebrews 9:12 we learn “by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.” We therefore see that Christ secured a full pardon for his elect putting away sin in the elect sinner (Hebrews 9:26) procuring their complete salvation.

Hebrews 12:22 & 24 sums it all up: “ye are come unto ... Jesus the mediator of the new covenant [diathēkē or covenant], and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel."

Christ came to save sinners and He completed that perfectly, in that He secured eternal redemption for his elect through His death (Hebrews 5:8-9).

This is an ongoing reality.

Hebrews 10:28-29: “He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant [diathēkē or testament], wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?”

This is an ongoing reality.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

"... They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years."

I guess you Amillennials just symbolize away who the Beast is, what the mark on their foreheads was and how many of these beheaded souls came to life and reigned with Christ? And where did they reign exactly and when did any of this happen? History should and has with hair splitting accuracy confirmed prophecy literally fulfilled, so please reveal to us all this symbolic, most likely abstract fullfillment! Paul knew something about the future prophesies given to him, but not those given to John. Paul was given words about our resurrection in 1 Thes. 4 and 1 Cor. 15, but John was given visions and much more details about the end times.

 

[WPM]

When are you going to get eschatological doctrine correct? I will take bas spelling for the over having to redefine the bible to form different doctrine.

But rev. 3 is grapho- not a mark.
Rev. 7 is sphragizo, all of them
Rev. 9 is sphragis (same as 7 just different case and tense)
rev. 14 is grapho
Rev. 22 speaks of no mark, writing , seal. but name is onoma
While the mark of the beast in Rev. 13 ( the only thing called mark BTW) is charagma. That is why the translators used different words, for they are different and do not mean the same as you are implying!

Answer my question and stop avoiding.

 

[WPM]

I guess you Amillennials just symbolize away who the Beast is, what the mark on their foreheads was and how many of these beheaded souls came to life and reigned with Christ? And where did they reign exactly and when did any of this happen? History should and has with hair splitting accuracy confirmed prophecy literally fulfilled, so please reveal to us all this symbolic, most likely abstract view! I'll put my symbolic hat on and lenses so that I can see too. Paul knew something about the future prophesies given to him, but not those given to John. Paul was given words about our resurrection in 1 Thes. 4 and 1 Cor. 15, but John was given visions and much more details about the end times.

1. The beast has been around for over 2000 years (Revelation 17:8, Revelation 17:11-13, 1 John 2:18-23, 1 John 4:1-3, 5-6, 2 John 1:7, and 2 Thessalonians 2:3-13). No man has lived that long on earth. Only a wicked spirit or an evil empire could possibly fulfil that portrayal.
2. How can a literal human being be literally “in them that perish” (2 Thessalonians 2:10)? This would suggest him being in every single unsaved person. Only a spirit can do that.
3. The beast carries the allegiance of all the non-elect. No single human being has or ever or will possess that wholesale allegiance. Only a broader worldly spirit enjoys all the loyalty of the wicked.
4. There is nowhere in Scripture that shows human beings in the abyss (Luke 8:31, Romans 10:7, Revelation 9:1, 2, 11, 11:7, 17:8, and 20:1, 3). Any time it is mentioned, it is shown to be the exclusive abode of Satan and his demons.
5. What man possesses 7 heads? These describe 7 wicked kingdoms in history with 7 kings ruling over them. No man can possibly satisfy that.
6. According to the original Greek, and in contrast to what many people teach, 666 is the number of “man,” not the number of “a man.”
7. Finally, what human being in history lives in, and rises up out of, the sea at the end? Such an idea is non-sensical.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

1. The beast has been around for over 2000 years (Revelation 17:8, Revelation 17:11-13, 1 John 2:18-23, 1 John 4:1-3, 5-6, 2 John 1:7, and 2 Thessalonians 2:3-13). No man has lived that long on earth. Only a wicked spirit or an evil empire could possibly fulfil that portrayal.

Correct, who said it was a man. The Antichrist will be possessed by the Beast, who has manifested himself many times before, in Egyptian, Babylonian, Medo-Persian, Greek and Roman empires. In the end times he will manifest himself once again and btw is beginning to take shape as we speak.

2. How can a literal human being be literally “in them that perish” (2 Thessalonians 2:10)? This would suggest him being in every single unsaved person. Only a spirit can do that.

You are an adherent to soul sleep? Departed souls go either to heaven or to Hades. We each have a spirit, invisible, immaterial, that separates from our bodies when we die or are resurrected while alive.
Actually the verse prior to the one you posted tells us about the Antichrist: "The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders," 2 Thes. 2:9 (as I previously pointed out)

3. The beast carries the allegiance of all the non-elect. No single human being has or ever or will possess that wholesale allegiance. Only a broader worldly spirit enjoys all the loyalty of the wicked.

And so he is around today - good that you recognize that! Broader worldy spirit? The Coming Antichrist, who is already at work _ will possess the powers of Satan. When did any leader in history command fire to rain down from heaven?

4. There is nowhere in Scripture that shows human beings in the abyss (Luke 8:31, Romans 10:7, Revelation 9:1, 2, 11, 11:7, 17:8, and 20:1, 3). Any time it is mentioned, it is shown to be the exclusive abode of Satan and his demons.

Correct, the Abyss is a separate part of Hades, where the damned souls reside.
Job 10:21-21 "the land of darkness and deep shadow ... utter gloom"
Job 11:7-8 The depths of God are greater than the depths of Sheol (obviously if it was only six feet, it would not be mentioned)
Job 26:5-6 "The departed spirits tremble ... under the waters" .... where is that?
Job 38:17 "The gates of death and of deep darkness" is referring to the gates of Hades
Proverbs 9:18 Hades has guests!
Isaiah 38:18 Those who go down to the "Pit" cannot hope ... ( this is not 6 feet under)
Matthew 16:18 The Church will not be overpowered by "The gates of Hades".
2 Peter 2:9 The Lord keeps the unrighteious under punishment for the day of judgment! Read that one again!

What man possesses 7 heads? These describe 7 wicked kingdoms in history with 7 kings ruling over them. No man can possibly satisfy that.

Well there is some symbolism. Scripture explains that the ten heads are kingdoms, the seven horns are leaders of those kingdoms - all of whom ally together with the Antichrist (one of the horns)

6. According to the original Greek, and in contrast to what many people teach, 666 is the number of “man,” not the number of “a man.”

Interesting that you bring that up. When John saw the mark of the Beast on foreheads and arms, likely he saw the Arabic phrase, "In the name of Allah". As you can see it looks very similar to 666. Islam didn't exist for another 6 centuries so Allah so emmm, I guess John wrote the number instead - more familiar to him. ???

7. Finally, what human being in history lives in, and rises up out of, the sea at the end? Such an idea is non-sensical.

The sea is also symbolic for the peoples of the world. So a man rises up out of humanity.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

One thing that makes it seem the mark will not be physical comes from Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. The same inability to buy or sell comes also to those who have the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Taking the name of the beast does not mean they are literally called the beast. It means to come under the authority of the beast, submitting to the beast is the same as taking his name. The number of his name too is to become one with the beast in thought (forehead) and/or deed (right hand). When attempting to understand the mark of the beast it is important to consider the verse in context to be sure we have arrived at the right understanding.

Yes but if we are to draw our doctrine from Scripture and what God inspired to write, then it is a physical mark. We already d this with pets and packages. I think it is Norway or Denmark where some companies have injected a small chip into peoples hands for their employment. They have to swipe their hand to get in, use the elevator, vending machines, access their computers etc.

God does not need a physical mark for He can see tehe heart, but Stan cannot so He needs a physical mark to identofy those who are HIs.

Hello! He made this! Read the NT! He came and He finished the work for sin. How man times do you need Jesus to make a sacrifice? Is the cross not enough for you?

This is an ongoing reality.

The whole idea of God-ordained covenant is all about the substitutionary blood sacrifice. Hebrews 13:20 describes the new covenant as “the blood of the everlasting covenant [diathēkē or covenant].”

God decreed that “the blood … maketh atonement for the soul” (Leviticus 17:11). Atonement is the only possible means of salvation for sinful man. In fact, Hebrews 9:22 declares, “without shedding of blood is no remission” for sin. It is all about "the blood of the covenant [diathēkē or covenant]" secured by our Lord and Savior (Hebrews 10:29).

Jesus confirmed the covenant through His redemptive sacrifice at the cross. In Hebrews 9:12 we learn “by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.” We therefore see that Christ secured a full pardon for his elect putting away sin in the elect sinner (Hebrews 9:26) procuring their complete salvation.

Hebrews 12:22 & 24 sums it all up: “ye are come unto ... Jesus the mediator of the new covenant [diathēkē or covenant], and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel."

Christ came to save sinners and He completed that perfectly, in that He secured eternal redemption for his elect through His death (Hebrews 5:8-9).

This is an ongoing reality.

Hebrews 10:28-29: “He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant [diathēkē or testament], wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?”

This is an ongoing reality.

Yes, but now you have to read teh covenant to read who it actually applies to.

Yes Jesus blood is the price that confirmed the covenant.

But please tell me which provisions of the New Covenant are actually in effect now?

1. It is made with all of Israel (all twelve tribes)
2. Has Israel been rejoined yet as per Ez. 37?
3. Has God written His new law in their heart?
4. Is God Israels God?
5. Is Israel Gods people again?
6.Do all Jews need not be taught anymore for all of them (the least to greatest) now know the Lord?

Please show from history or news how these are ongoing realities.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Answer my question and stop avoiding.

Well as the rest of these are not called charagma- the answer is no! They are called sphragizo, grapho , onoma but not charagma!

 

[rwb]

I guess you Amillennials just symbolize away who the Beast is, what the mark on their foreheads was and how many of these beheaded souls came to life and reigned with Christ? And where did they reign exactly and when did any of this happen? History should and has with hair splitting accuracy confirmed prophecy literally fulfilled, so please reveal to us all this symbolic, most likely abstract fullfillment! Paul knew something about the future prophesies given to him, but not those given to John. Paul was given words about our resurrection in 1 Thes. 4 and 1 Cor. 15, but John was given visions and much more details about the end times.

Revelation 20:4 (KJV) ...... and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Revelation 20:4 (YLT) ..... and they did live and reign with Christ the thousand years;
Revelation 20:4 (WEB) ..... They lived, and reigned with Christ for the thousand years.
Revelation 20:4 (DBY) .....and they lived and reigned with the Christ a thousand years:
Revelation 20:4 (ASV) ...... and they lived, and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Revelation 20:4 (Bish) ..... and they lyued and raigned with Christe a thousand yeres.
Revelation 20:4 (Wyc) ..... And thei lyueden, and regneden with Crist a thousynde yeeris.
Revelation 20:4 (Tyn) ..... and they lyved and raygned with Christ a .M. yere:
Revelation 20:4 (KJ2000) .....and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Revelation 20:4 (GB) ..... and they liued, & reigned with Christ a thousand yeere.
Revelation 20:4 (KJV16) ..... they liued and reigned with Christ a thousand yeeres.

I didn't want anyone to argue that only KJV leaves out "they came to life" or "they came to life again". My point being these disembodied martyred souls did not come back to life again as some translations would have us believe. Why would a living (spirit) soul need to be brought back to life again since physical death has no power of the eternal spirit? They would not, and these eleven translations prove they were not brought back to life again, or bodily resurrected as some believe, because their living (spirit) soul left the body after death and ascended into heaven ALIVE.

 

[WPM]

When are you going to get eschatological doctrine correct? I will take bas spelling for the over having to redefine the bible to form different doctrine.

But rev. 3 is grapho- not a mark.
Rev. 7 is sphragizo, all of them
Rev. 9 is sphragis (same as 7 just different case and tense)
rev. 14 is grapho
Rev. 22 speaks of no mark, writing , seal. but name is onoma
While the mark of the beast in Rev. 13 ( the only thing called mark BTW) is charagma. That is why the translators used different words, for they are different and do not mean the same as you are implying!

There is nowhere in the whole of Scripture that remotely suggests salvation or reprobation via taking or not taking a physical mark on the skin (like a silicon chip). Some may respond that all those that experience saving faith in Christ will not receive a silicon chip; however, it is the wilful and continuous rejection of Christ in the mind of the wicked that causes damnation to their souls. We must therefore reject such a notion as being in plain opposition to the consistent teaching of both the Old and the New Testament, which teaches that God’s elect are saved by grace through faith. We, the elect of God, are all the children of Abraham (not by refusal to receive a physical mark or indentation from an end-time antichrist), but by faith in Christ alone.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Revelation 20:4 (KJV) ...... and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Revelation 20:4 (YLT) ..... and they did live and reign with Christ the thousand years;
Revelation 20:4 (WEB) ..... They lived, and reigned with Christ for the thousand years.
Revelation 20:4 (DBY) .....and they lived and reigned with the Christ a thousand years:
Revelation 20:4 (ASV) ...... and they lived, and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Revelation 20:4 (Bish) ..... and they lyued and raigned with Christe a thousand yeres.
Revelation 20:4 (Wyc) ..... And thei lyueden, and regneden with Crist a thousynde yeeris.
Revelation 20:4 (Tyn) ..... and they lyved and raygned with Christ a .M. yere:
Revelation 20:4 (KJ2000) .....and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Revelation 20:4 (GB) ..... and they liued, & reigned with Christ a thousand yeere.
Revelation 20:4 (KJV16) ..... they liued and reigned with Christ a thousand yeeres.

I didn't want anyone to argue that only KJV leaves out "they came to life" or "they came to life again". My point being these disembodied martyred souls did not come back to life again as some translations would have us believe. Why would a living (spirit) soul need to be brought back to life again since physical death has no power of the eternal spirit? They would not, and these eleven translations prove they were not brought back to life again, or bodily resurrected as some believe, because their living (spirit) soul left the body after death and ascended into heaven ALIVE.

WOW do you need to go back and learn grammar and context.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

something has to die to be "resurrected" (ana-stasia= standing again). these souls bodies were restored to them and glorified! That is what teh bible teaches as written and not redefined by some people.