jeffweeder
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Not exactly.
Sin and death and the curse still remained. Those things were not present when God first declared all things as very good from the foundation of the world.
Another simple disproof of Amil: No more sea
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Sin and death and the curse still remained. Those things were not present when God first declared all things as very good from the foundation of the world.
2 Peter 3:5-7 states: "For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men."
The writer is very careful to compare the judgment of this world at the end by fire to the previous wholesale judgment of the world in Noah’s day by water. In fact, both 1 and 2 Peter make a linkage between the flood and the coming outpouring of judgment on the earth. In the former judgment, God set His rainbow in the sky as an indication that He would never again judge mankind in this way. The judgment at the end of the age will, instead, be a fiery conflagration. Through this, corruption will be banished, the current heaven and earth will pass away, the wicked and all wickedness will be removed.
We should note, water only washes, fire regenerates. Fire will purge this earth of the curse and introduce the perfect new earth when Jesus comes.
The difference between the flood and the end is that the wicked and all wickedness will be finally and eternally eliminated. What is more, instead of the mortal righteous being persevered in a wooden boat, they will be physically glorified and rescued to the air, while Christ destroys all those left behind. Only the elect survives the conflagration; only righteousness will be left on the earth.
I didn't say anything about evolution ,that's your lie.
I said I grew up in the mountains where ferns once grew when those mountains looked like the Florida everglades.Piles and piles of ferns that turned into coal after 100s of millions of years.
This earth has changed quite a bit since those ferns were alive.
Man was given dominion over the earth. Satan was powerless to take that - as of right. If man had not sinned then Satan would have been powerful to do harm on earth.
Satan at no time exercised divine power, only Adamic power. It was never his to take, never mind use. God has always remained the supreme governor over the affairs of life and man. After all, God forfeited absolutely nothing to the enemy. The devil never owned the ability to override the plan and purpose of God. Only by permission could (and can) Satan cause any harm. Adam could only give to Satan what authority he had, which was human earthly power. Since Adam's authority was given to him by God and Adam was never above or even equal to God, the authority handed over to Satan was not authority above or even equal to God. Only God could relinquish His own authority which of course could never (nor would ever) happen.
Of course, the Savior didn’t submit to the corrupt schemes of Satan in the wilderness. God had a more-perfect path laid out for Christ that would decisively defeat the devil. It would see Christ overcome Satan in his own backyard and allow Christ to acquire his spoil – the Gentile nations. Satan would submit to God’s arrangement, not the other way round. God’s answer was Christ and His blueprint was Calvary. Through this great transaction, “the kingdoms of the world” would receive the glorious Gospel of Christ; resulting in countless (hitherto darkened) Gentiles coming into a personal relationship with Christ.
In heaven’s plan, Christ would never have to bow down to Satan in order to secure the nations; not in the wilderness, not at the cross, not ever. Calvary was the foreordained route of conquest. It was the place where Satan would be decisively disarmed. He was displaced so that the nations could receive salvation in significant numbers. Through Christ’s obedience, Satan would be unseated from his former unchallenged position. The defeat of Satan ensured that the Gospel would break out into the nations in the most incredible manner possible.
Dispensationalist Clarence Larkin says in his book The Book of Revelation, “There is something that was lost to mankind and the earth that is to be redeemed, and we do not have to go far to find out what it was. It is the inheritance of the earth and of immortal life given to Adam and Eve, and that was lost in the Fall of Eden. The forfeited Title Deed is now in God's hands and is awaiting redemption. Its redemption means the legal repossession of all that Adam lost by the Fall.”
At the cross Christ took legal repossession of all Adam had lost through the fall. The reason he did was because he was both God and man’s great representative. Although strongly dispensational, Clarence Larkin rightly contends in his book ‘Book of Revelation’: “Adam was impotent to redeem the lost possession, but the law provides (Lev. 25:23-34) that a kinsman may redeem a lost possession. That kinsman has been provided in the person of Jesus Christ. To become a kinsman He had to be born into the human race. This the Virgin Birth accomplished. Jesus paid the redemptive price, which was His own blood, on the cross (1. Pet. 1:18-20).”
In this pitiful state, man required divine intervention, which would raise him from the wretched repercussions of dual death and correct his inevitable deserved double-sentence. Sinful was unable, but God taking on human form would act as man’s substitute. The devil was no match for Jesus Christ.
jeffweeder
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I have a feeling satan had his fall at the time of the garden of Eden and expressed himself through the serpent as he was jealous of man's position and potential.
Not so! Your teachers have taught you wrong. Read the Scriptures and you will find the truth.
Jesus said in Matthew 24:35-44: “Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.”
After telling us that “heaven and earth shall pass away,” Jesus immediately tells us: “of that day and hour knoweth no man.” This final day that is approaching is coming unexpectedly. This fits in with the “thief in the night” scenario found elsewhere in Scripture. It would seem to confirm that the day that Christ returns is the day when the current corrupt natural order (both the creature and creation) is gloriously changed. The wicked and all corruption are destroyed when Jesus comes. The Lord here identifies the passing away of “heaven and earth” with “the coming of the Son of man.”
Christ describes this day as an unanticipated day for many – one that will find many unprepared. For those who are playing at religion they will be caught on. They will face the same punishment as the “hypocrite” when He comes: “there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” The wicked are an all-inclusive group; they include every Christ-rejecter – from the religious professors to the outright profane hypocrites. They will all be caught in the destruction when they are left behind and the “heaven and earth ... pass away.”
2 Peter 3:3-13: “there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of His coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
Q. When Christ Comes as a thief in the night, will the heavens pass away / perish with a great noise?
Q. When Christ Comes as a thief in the night, will the elements be ‘loosed by being set on fire’?
Q. When Christ Comes as a thief in the night, will the earth be ‘burned up utterly / consumed wholly?
Q. When Christ Comes as a thief in the night, will the works that are within the earth be ‘burned up utterly / consumed wholly?
Revelation 20:11-15 – 21:1-5: “And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away (or departed). And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new.”
Here is Christ returning enthroned, whereupon the general judgment occurs. This lines up with multiple Scripture of a general judgment at the second coming.
Here we see “the earth and the heaven” flee away from the very presence of Christ coming upon His throne; it is clearly His appearing that ushers in the end. The arrival of the king of glory also sees the resurrection of the dead (righteous and wicked). Elsewhere in Scripture these things are located at His coming. In fact, it is difficult to see how Premils can locate this event at anything other time than the second coming when we allow for the many plain climactic passages in Scripture.
Amils take this literal! This is complete, wholesale, and total destruction - for those left behind. There are no survivors!
Amils go with Jesus, Peter and John here rather than you.
LOL. You made the claim. The first principle of evidence is: "he who alleges must prove." The ball is in your court.
jeffweeder
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Genesis tells us all things were created in the beginning in creation week.
Noah's flood wiped out all living things that had breath that was not on the ark.
You don't believe the world is a week old do you?
That's what you've been told.
The Sabbath day is approaching.Will you be one of those that keep it?
Read above. You are avoiding the obvious. Avoidance is a Premil trait. Your teachers have misled you.
jeffweeder
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I do not understand what you're trying to say.
The Lord will grant me his rest everlasting at the end of days.
Matthew 11:28
“Come to Me, all who are weary and heavily burdened [by religious rituals that provide no peace], and I will give you rest [refreshing your souls with salvation].
My teacher is Christ.
The world isn't destroyed till 1000 years after Christ comes.Heres my proof.
20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
The Sabbath is the seventh day.
Mathew 12:8
For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
The Sabbath approaches.Its at the door.The Lord will finish his work and rest on the Sabbath.
Luke 13:32
He told them, "Go and tell that fox, 'Listen! I am driving out demons and healing today and tomorrow, and on the third day I will finish my work.
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