An Omniscient God Negates Free Will
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I think Jesus would have not taught a theological doctrine about hell, since he was a Jew.
False premises lead to false conclusions. You are confusing omniscience with robotic control.
Another nonsensical statement in this thread. It is Jesus who taught the doctrine of Hell, since He was not merely "a Jew". He is the Creator, and He created Hell for the devil and his angels.
Then he was either not a legitimate Jew, or created from fictionalised sources to overthrow the current religious powers. Jesus teachings and parables use/borrow from other religious beliefs (Outside his own monotheism) Why did Jesus incorporate Greek mythology itno his teaching? Why did Jesus incorporate a father (son and spirit) into his teaching?
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Not true. The premise is false.
Omniscience (all knowing) does not negate the choice God gives to each. That God knows what will be chosen at each point, does not negate the fact that a choice was given. God knows the choices. The persons choosing do not know until they choose.
He is a legitimate Jew and he depended upon no fictionalized source.
Please cite an example.
His monotheism is Jewish unitary monotheism. The only God whom he acknowledges as true is his own God and Father - Yahweh, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
Jesus didn’t teach Greek mythology.
Father, son and spirit are all sound Jewish concepts.
You may note that there are 4 canonical gospels, each with different authors, which all corroborate eachother, with the earliest written around 30 years after Jesus' death - that is, within living memory of the people who witnessed Jesus's miracles. This is precisely why all the towns where Jesus performed miracles were given by name in the gospels, so that a person could go there and corroborate the stories themselves if they had any doubt, because these events would still be in the local conscience of the people who lived there and you could talk to people who witnessed them, or at the least their children or grandchildren. Also, in many cases, the people who were healed were recorded by name as well, so one could even seek out specific families. There are no accounts of Christianity ever being refuted by producing a witness to Jesus' falsity, but in fact many people continued to insist, even under torture and execution, that they had witnessed Jesus or the apostles perform miracles.
In the secular historical scientific community, Jesus' existence is considered to be very uncontroversial, since he appears in Roman sources as well.
I will further add that this idea is completely ignorant of the political situation of the time.
The situation in Jesus' time were that there were basically 4 competing political-religious groups before Jesus arrived:
The Romans were pagans and were resented by the jews. Any fictional character created by the public to overthrow authority would be primarily aimed at overthrowing roman rule, yet Jesus advocated acceptance of Roman occupation and taxes.
The Herodians and Saduccees were the most important political factions within the aristocracy and sanhedrin. They were not popular with the public. They cooperated with Roman rule.
The Pharisees only had a minority of seats on the Sanhedrin but were the most popular religious faction among the general public. Because of their popularity, they could pressure the Herodians and Saduccees to get their way by creating a public uproar.
So if there were some invented religion designed to attack the powers that be, they would be invented to support the Pharisees and attack the Romans, but Jesus did the exact opposite, he attacked the Pharisees primarily and accepted the Romans.
Furthermore, the Pharisees continued to attack and persecute Christianity up until the dissolution of their power by Rome. Christians were a persecuted and pacifistic minority with no political power for hundreds of years. They can hardly be said to be plotters or revolutionaries, except maybe revolutionaries of peace and love.
Jesus also appears in opposition Jewish sources. His enemies among the Jews knew, and still do, of his existence.
Jesus sure did mention Hades and the underworld.
If you human beings want to hold onto your assumed beliefs for the duration, then kiss your planet goodbye.
Gk. Hades = Heb. Sheol = Eng. Hell.
Jesus, a Jew, did more than just mention it. He has a theological doctrine about it.
You’re an unbeliever. Jesus, a Jew, is a believer.
The earth is his inheritance. (See the Abrahamic covenant. See also the gospel which Jesus preached.)
Your teaching is inferior to his preaching. He, and those who belong to him, will inherit the earth.
“Land is a central, if not the central theme of biblical faith.”
(Walter Brueggeman, The Land, p. 3)
You may or may not know that. You don’t have / believe it. Those who follow Jesus do.
Why would Jesus believe in himself? Why would he need to believe that he was apart of the trinity of God? Why do human beings exemplify beliefs above all things? Maybe because it is easier to believe away all our problems rather than brave the unknown and make that change. We can't fix ourselves if we dont change our thinking; and how can we change our thinking if our beliefs about the world and the universe are never at fault.
It is a stalemate and no one wins.
Your beliefs over my beliefs. It will always end in a stalemate. So forget you humans for putting me through nothing. Do you undertand that? You put numerous people though hell for nothing, absolutely zero.
God's blessings be on you, peace love and mercy for you all your days.
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