More biblical proof that supports Amillennialism

[Timtofly]

I will try again:

1. What are glorified bodies?
2. What are the supposed differences between "permanent incorruptible physical bodies" and "glorified bodies" in regard to their nature and ability?
3. If the redeemed are not glorified at the moment, when are they glorified?
4. Who are the camp of the saints in Revelation 20?

Give me Scripture with your questions, and I will answer with Scripture.

You tell me who the camp of saints consist of and give Scripture. You seem to have it all figured out. I gave you Scripture and you avoided addressing my points. When you give Scripture to back up your side of the conversation, I will have a conversation back.

Adam and Eve had a soul, body, and spirit, and were in God's image, then they physically and spiritually died. You prove from Scripture they did not. Otherwise they went from permanent incorruptible physical bodies with a spirit, to a temporal corruptible physical body and no spirit, because they became naked from their perspective of how they viewed themselves. Genesis 3. Then Paul states we put both body and spirit back on.

The point of the Cross was to restore us back to the condition they were in before Adam disobeyed. Until you get past that point, you can't jump into Revelation 20 head first and keep asking pointless questions.

If you have not figured out salvation, which you keep calling a first resurrection instead of a second birth, it also points out your lack of comprehending the condition Adam and Eve were in prior to Adam's disobedience.

It is all there in Scripture, but you won't find the statement in Scripture "2 plus 2 equals 4". You have to understand what "2" is first.

 

[WPM]

Give me Scripture with your questions, and I will answer with Scripture.

You tell me who the camp of saints consist of and give Scripture. You seem to have it all figured out. I gave you Scripture and you avoided addressing my points. When you give Scripture to back up your side of the conversation, I will have a conversation back.

Adam and Eve had a soul, body, and spirit, and were in God's image, then they physically and spiritually died. You prove from Scripture they did not. Otherwise they went from permanent incorruptible physical bodies with a spirit, to a temporal corruptible physical body and no spirit, because they became naked from their perspective of how they viewed themselves. Genesis 3. Then Paul states we put both body and spirit back on.

The point of the Cross was to restore us back to the condition they were in before Adam disobeyed. Until you get past that point, you can't jump into Revelation 20 head first and keep asking pointless questions.

If you have not figured out salvation, which you keep calling a first resurrection instead of a second birth, it also points out your lack of comprehending the condition Adam and Eve were in prior to Adam's disobedience.

It is all there in Scripture, but you won't find the statement in Scripture "2 plus 2 equals 4". You have to understand what "2" is first.

LOL. How can I give you Scriptures when you are making extra-biblical claims? That is ludicrous. Stop avoiding the obvious. You obviously have nothing to support your error. Your silence is deafening.

I will try again:

1. What are glorified bodies?
2. What are the supposed differences between "permanent incorruptible physical bodies" and "glorified bodies" in regard to their nature and ability?
3. If the redeemed are not glorified at the moment, when are they glorified?
4. Who are the camp of the saints in Revelation 20?

 

[Timtofly]

LOL. How can I give you Scriptures when you are making extra-biblical claims? That is ludicrous. Stop avoiding the obvious. You obviously have nothing to support your error. Your silence is deafening.

I will try again:

1. What are glorified bodies?
2. What are the supposed differences between "permanent incorruptible physical bodies" and "glorified bodies" in regard to their nature and ability?
3. If the redeemed are not glorified at the moment, when are they glorified?
4. Who are the camp of the saints in Revelation 20?

So you have no Scripture to back up these questions?

Thus I don't need Scripture to answer them.

These questions come from your own imagination. So I will use your imagination as an answer.

Your glorified body does not exist in reality. It is only in your imagination. I never claimed Scripture defines a glorified body, and obviously you have no Scripture either. So why keep using the term glorified body? There is no such thing as a glorified body, except in your imagination.

The difference between a permanent incorruptible physical body and your imagination is that one is found in Scripture, and the other is in your imagination.

I use the word permanent, because a building compared to a tent is permanent. A tent is set up taken down and moved. A building is for all intentions set up to remain forever. 2 Corinthians 5:1 shows us the difference between Adam's temporal tent, and God's permanent building.

The church will be glorified as one body at the 5th and 6th Seals. That is the twinkling of an eye Second Coming. The opening of the Seals can be found in Revelation 6.

The 144k are the camp of the saints. Revelation 7:3-8. Revelation 13:7. Revelation 14:1-5. Revelation 19:11-14.

Jesus camped out with 12 disciples as Messiah. Jesus will camp out with His "army" of 144k from the time of the Second Coming as King, until the NHNE. There is no setting aside of a time for the fulness of the Gentiles in the Millennium. That time ends at the Second Coming. The church is complete.

 

[WPM]

So you have no Scripture to back up these questions?

Thus I don't need Scripture to answer them.

These questions come from your own imagination. So I will use your imagination as an answer.

Your glorified body does not exist in reality. It is only in your imagination. I never claimed Scripture defines a glorified body, and obviously you have no Scripture either. So why keep using the term glorified body? There is no such thing as a glorified body, except in your imagination.

The difference between a permanent incorruptible physical body and your imagination is that one is found in Scripture, and the other is in your imagination.

I use the word permanent, because a building compared to a tent is permanent. A tent is set up taken down and moved. A building is for all intentions set up to remain forever. 2 Corinthians 5:1 shows us the difference between Adam's temporal tent, and God's permanent building.

The church will be glorified as one body at the 5th and 6th Seals. That is the twinkling of an eye Second Coming. The opening of the Seals can be found in Revelation 6.

The 144k are the camp of the saints. Revelation 7:3-8. Revelation 13:7. Revelation 14:1-5. Revelation 19:11-14.

Jesus camped out with 12 disciples as Messiah. Jesus will camp out with His "army" of 144k from the time of the Second Coming as King, until the NHNE. There is no setting aside of a time for the fulness of the Gentiles in the Millennium. That time ends at the Second Coming. The church is complete.

Why are you so touchy and evasive with supporting your own claims with hard Scripture? What are you trying to hide? How can i give Scripture (in my questions) to support theories that I believe are not biblical? That is absurd. The burden of proof is for you to support your claims biblically. So far, you have not. You obviously have nothing. If you had, you would give it.

Does the Church you speak of include the OT saints? Or, do you divide the people of God into separate groupings like the JWs?
Where does it say the redeemed in incorruptible bodies can marry and procreate in the age to come?

 

[WPM]

Because in order to be deceived, one must first know the truth. If one is already deceived, they don't need to be deceived.

You claim they were always deceived, thus Satan does not need to decieve them.

They are not wicked, nor sinners prior to being deceieved.

Satan told Eve that she was being deceived by God who was withholding information from them. Do you think that the pleasures of carnal sins is something being withheld from you, that as a redeemed person you should not take part in? Don't you think that Satan has anything to offer these people in the Millennium? If you claim these people are already sinners rejecting God, what more does Satan have to offer them, they are not already doing?

Where in Revelation 20 does it claim there are billions of wicked sinners? You project as much into Scripture. I am just pointing out there is no sin, because this Millennium is after the Second Coming.

What is the point of Satan being loosed if not to deceive people who are not decieved, but living perfect lives?

Are you saying the billions of followers of Satan from Gog and Magog are born again Christians?

 

[WPM]

No. Their only disobedience was following Satan. For that, they were consumed by fire. They did not pass down their disobedience to offspring. They were dead. They were not offspring of Adam and Eve. They were the offspring of those in the camp of the saints.

What do you mean "only"? That in itself is gross sin. Hello! What type of Bible are you reading? Is it a JW one?

 

[WPM]

The 144k are the camp of the saints. Revelation 7:3-8. Revelation 13:7. Revelation 14:1-5. Revelation 19:11-14.

Jesus camped out with 12 disciples as Messiah. Jesus will camp out with His "army" of 144k from the time of the Second Coming as King, until the NHNE. There is no setting aside of a time for the fulness of the Gentiles in the Millennium. That time ends at the Second Coming. The church is complete.

Oh, so the "144k are the camp of the saints"? Where is the New Testament Church? Where does the dead in Christ and the living in Christ go at the second coming? Where is Old Testament believing Israel?

 

[Timtofly]

Why are you so touchy and evasive with supporting your own claims with hard Scripture? What are you trying to hide? How can i give Scripture (in my questions) to support theories that I believe are not biblical? That is absurd. The burden of proof is for you to support your claims biblically. So far, you have not. You obviously have nothing. If you had, you would give it.

Does the Church you speak of include the OT saints? Or, do you divide the people of God into separate groupings like the JWs?
Where does it say the redeemed in incorruptible bodies can marry and procreate in the age to come?

Where does it claim they cannot procreate on earth? The church is the whole of those redeemed and in Paradise, already the age to come since the Cross. John 11.

 

[Timtofly]

Are you saying the billions of followers of Satan from Gog and Magog are born again Christians?

Are they currently in Paradise?

 

[Timtofly]

What do you mean "only"? That in itself is gross sin. Hello! What type of Bible are you reading? Is it a JW one?

You have no clue about the Millennium, do you? You seemed shocked that Scripture declares no more sin and eternal righteousness. Probably because you hijacked all OT Scripture to jack up your erroneous here and now.

This verse applies to the millennium:

"to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy."

This verse applies to the millennium:

"Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father."

Did you used to be a JW?

 

[Timtofly]

Oh, so the "144k are the camp of the saints"? Where is the New Testament Church? Where does the dead in Christ and the living in Christ go at the second coming? Where is Old Testament believing Israel?

The church has been in Paradise since the Cross. They won't come to earth until the New Jerusalem descends as a bride adorned for her husband.

"And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband."

You do know that Revelation 21 comes after Revelation 20?

 

[WPM]

Are they currently in Paradise?

LOL. More avoidance. You cannot answer simple questions.

Are you saying the billions of followers of Satan from Gog and Magog are born again Christians?

 

[WPM]

The church has been in Paradise since the Cross. They won't come to earth until the New Jerusalem descends as a bride adorned for her husband.

"And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband."

You do know that Revelation 21 comes after Revelation 20?

Where are the dead OT saints now and then?

 

[WPM]

You seemed shocked that Scripture declares no more sin and eternal righteousness. Probably because you hijacked all OT Scripture to jack up your erroneous here and now.

This verse applies to the millennium:

"to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy."

This verse applies to the millennium:

"Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father."

Did you used to be a JW?

You are espousing JW doctrine. They are fellow-Premils. Amils resist the JWs doctrines.

Where does Daniel 9 or Matthew 13 mention some supposed future millennium? Nowhere. This is all in your imagination.

Every time you see "kingdom" you think "future millennial kingdom." You are so fixated with this so-called period.

There is no consistency in Premil hermeneutics. They make it up as they go to suit their false teaching.

Daniel 9:2 says: “In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem. And I set my face unto the Lord God, to seek by prayer and supplication, with fasting, and sackcloth, and ashes.”

Are these seventy years linear, congruent and sequential?

 

[covenantee]

This verse applies to the millennium:

"to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy."

That verse (Daniel 9:24) applies to what Christ accomplished at Calvary, so you believe that Calvary is when the millennium began.

We welcome you as a fellow brother amil.

 

[WPM]

Where does it claim they cannot procreate on earth? The church is the whole of those redeemed and in Paradise, already the age to come since the Cross. John 11.

Listen what you are asking. The source of your own beliefs is scriptural silence. It is your own imaginations. That is ridiculous. Plainly you have no Scripture to support your speculations,. It is time to get back to the Booj. If Premils would do that they would end up Amils.

 

[WPM]

Are they currently in Paradise?

So, to be a born again Christians means you need to be dead and be in paradise? Where is paradise now?

 

[Timtofly]

LOL. More avoidance. You cannot answer simple questions.

Are you saying the billions of followers of Satan from Gog and Magog are born again Christians?

Christians will be in Paradise. No one is a "Christian" on earth during the Millennium. What is the point if no one is in Adam's dead corruptible flesh?

The first act of disobedience is instant death. Sin will not enter the world period. There will be no Adams to bring sin into the world, once Jesus as King removes all sin at the Second Coming.

 

[WPM]

Christians will be in Paradise. No one is a "Christian" on earth during the Millennium. What is the point if no one is in Adam's dead corruptible flesh?

The first act of disobedience is instant death. Sin will not enter the world period. There will be no Adams to bring sin into the world, once Jesus as King removes all sin at the Second Coming.

So, are “the camp of the saints” believers? If so, what type of believers are they called?
So, are “Gog and Magog” believers? If so, what type of believers are they called?

It is like getting blood from a stone getting info out of you. LOL.

 

[jeffweeder]

Christians will be in Paradise. No one is a "Christian" on earth during the Millennium. What is the point if no one is in Adam's dead corruptible flesh?

The first act of disobedience is instant death. Sin will not enter the world period. There will be no Adams to bring sin into the world, once Jesus as King removes all sin at the Second Coming.

You are some piece of work Tim.

Only those who reject Jesus in the here and now, prior to the Lords second coming, will inhabit your pre-mill millennium.

Those people are not glorified at his coming as they are of Adams old flesh and have not been born again of the faith.

They remain the same and are not changed until they repent and are born again. Only then have they passed from death to life through their confession of Faith.
The thing is we only have until the second coming to make this commitment before the door is shut and Gods fixed day of judgment takes place.
Today is the day, so preach it if you know what is good for you.

God bless