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Why do you keep foisting Satan's deception into Scripture, prior to the time when he was loosed to even deceive people?

Mortal humans are born in sin. They do not need the devil in order to sin. It is their nature. Hello!

Open up your Bible instead of inventing your own theology.

Jeremiah 17:9 states: “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?”

Deceitfulness is sin. It is wicked.

Oba 1:3 The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee,

Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

2Ti 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

Revelation 20:3, 7-10: "And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season ... And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."
 

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Why do you keep foisting Satan's deception into Scripture, prior to the time when he was loosed to even deceive people?

Why do you keep avoiding providing Scripture for your beliefs?

Show us one Scripture that teaches that believers in "permanent incorruptible physical bodies" marry and procreate on the earth after the second coming?
 

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There are 3 parts to the image of God. Soul, body, and spirit. The soul puts on the body and the spirit. Those living on earth only have a permanent incorruptible physical body. Being glorified is putting on of the spirit.

Of course those in Paradise after the Cross, the age to come, after the physical resurrection, do not marry, nor procreate in Paradise. That has already been a fact in your non millennium since the Cross. You already missed that age to come, as you seem to still be waiting for it.

I said that all of Adam's dead corruptible flesh is done away with. That is what the Atonement of the Cross provides. You just have to wait to leave Adam's flesh yourself behind. There is already a permanent incorruptible physical body waiting for you in Paradise.

What are the supposed differences between "permanent incorruptible physical bodies" and "glorified bodies" in regard to their nature and ability? Show us hard Scripture as to when the redeemed receive these and what qualifies them for the same?
 

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Mortal humans are born in sin. They do not need the devil in order to sin. It is their nature. Hello!

Open up your Bible instead of inventing your own theology.

Jeremiah 17:9 states: “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?”

Deceitfulness is sin. It is wicked.

Oba 1:3 The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee,

Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

2Ti 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

Revelation 20:3, 7-10: "And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season ... And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."
There are no humans in Adam's dead corruptible flesh in the Millennium. That is the point you keep avoiding.

They are all dead at Armageddon. No one survives to allow sin into this 1,000 year period.

So stop placing sin and sinners into this time frame. These people have permanent incorruptible physical bodies, without sin nor a sin nature. They are not deceived until after Satan is loosed and deceives them.

No dead live on earth. You call the dead mortals. The word mortal means death. There are no dead people living during the Millennium. They are resurrected. They are not resurrected into dead bodies. Only sinners have dead bodies. You have a dead body. You don't keep that dead body after the Second Coming. No one does. You are inventing a third type of human who eternally lives in a dead mortal body.

There is only Adam's dead corruptible flesh. Or God's incorruptible permanent flesh. There is not an eternal mortal body, that you keep foisting into Revelation 20.
 

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Why do you keep avoiding providing Scripture for your beliefs?

Show us one Scripture that teaches that believers in "permanent incorruptible physical bodies" marry and procreate on the earth after the second coming?
What does the word believer mean in the context of Isaiah 65? They have children and they keep building new houses and new vineyards until the earth is filled. Offspring is children. How do they fill up the earth in Isaiah 65 if no one can procreate?
 

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What are the supposed differences between "permanent incorruptible physical bodies" and "glorified bodies" in regard to their nature and ability? Show us hard Scripture as to when the redeemed receive these and what qualifies them for the same?
The spirit is put on. That is the robe of white in Revelation 6:11.

That is what Paul states as putting on immortality. Immortality is not a physical body, it is the eternal spirit placed over the physical body as a robe of white.

Putting on the incorruptible is putting on a physical body over the soul. Adam's flesh is a temporal tent. God's flesh is a permanent building. 2 Corinthians 5:1.
 

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The spirit is put on. That is the robe of white in Revelation 6:11.

That is what Paul states as putting on immortality. Immortality is not a physical body, it is the eternal spirit placed over the physical body as a robe of white.

Putting on the incorruptible is putting on a physical body over the soul. Adam's flesh is a temporal tent. God's flesh is a permanent building. 2 Corinthians 5:1.

Can you answer the question instead of your usual avoidance? It is like getting blood out of a stone. Compare the 2:

What are the supposed differences between "permanent incorruptible physical bodies" and "glorified bodies" in regard to their nature and ability? Show us hard Scripture as to when the redeemed receive these and what qualifies them for the same?
 

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Can you answer the question instead of your usual avoidance? It is like getting blood out of a stone. Compare the 2:

What are the supposed differences between "permanent incorruptible physical bodies" and "glorified bodies" in regard to their nature and ability? Show us hard Scripture as to when the redeemed receive these and what qualifies them for the same?
Being glorified is not physical, get over it.

Being glorified is putting on the spirit. A white robe is not a physical body. A white robe is a spirit being put on over the physical body. A spirit is not a physical body, it is a spiritual covering.
 

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Being glorified is not physical, get over it.

Being glorified is putting on the spirit. A white robe is not a physical body. A white robe is a spirit being put on over the physical body. A spirit is not a physical body, it is a spiritual covering.

More avoidance. Why are you so uncomfortable to address this? You seem to know what you are teaching is wrong.

What is the differences between "permanent incorruptible physical bodies" and "glorified bodies" in regard to their nature and ability? Show us hard Scripture as to when the redeemed receive these and what qualifies them for the same?
 
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Being glorified is not physical, get over it.

Being glorified is putting on the spirit. A white robe is not a physical body. A white robe is a spirit being put on over the physical body. A spirit is not a physical body, it is a spiritual covering.

So, in your mind, all the "permanent incorruptible physical bodies" are "glorified bodies"?
 

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Why are you so uncomfortable to address this? You seem to know what you are teaching is wrong.

What is the differences between "permanent incorruptible physical bodies" and "glorified bodies" in regard to their nature and ability? Show us hard Scripture as to when the redeemed receive these and what qualifies them for the same?
No such thing as a glorified body. If that were the case we would be quoting Scripture.

Instead you are asking a question that is a moot point. No such thing as a glorified physical body, so get over it.

The physical body is either corruptible or incorruptible. The incorruptible body cannot be glorified. Being glorified is putting on immortality over the incorruptible physical body. The mortal/slash body puts on the spirit, symbolized by a robe of white. The souls changes from a corruptible physical body to an incorruptible physical body.

That is what Paul states when he says, corruptible puts on incorruption and mortal puts on immortality. The soul puts off the temporal tent of Adam's corruptible flesh, and puts on God's permanent incorruptible physical body. 2 Corinthians 5:1.


Then the incorruptible physical body puts on the spirit, ie, a robe of white, ie, immortality, ie, the image of the divine. That is a fully restored son of God.

Paul states that in his day, since the Cross, the permanent incorruptible physical body was already waiting in Paradise. He told the churches they did not miss out on the OT getting a resurrection body. They would get it when the soul left this body.

Paul did not write his epistles to dead people already in Paradise waiting for a resurrection, yet that is how most interpret him according to being physically dead in Christ. You as a living person is who is dead in Christ. You are still in Adam's dead corruptible flesh. Those in Paradise are not. Adam's flesh cannot enter Paradise, but God's permanent incorruptible physical bodies sure can. That is where they are, duh. That is what 2 Corinthians 5:1 says.

Those in Paradise are not waiting for a resurrection. The church in Adam's dead corruptible flesh is looking for a resurrection out of death into eternal life. But that stops for the living once they physically die. No one in Christ has tasted death after the Cross. Tasting death stopped at the Cross when Abraham's bosom was emptied.


Now the whole point of Revelation 20 is to have 1,000 years of humans on earth no longer in Adam's dead corruptible flesh. But a resurrection that changes the physical body into God's permanent incorruptible physical body. The enjoyment of the kingdom in heaven for the last 1993 years will now be normal physical life on earth. The church is not on the earth after being fully restored as sons of God. They remain in Paradise until the New Jerusalem descends in the NHNE.

The sheep are changed at the judgment in Jerusalem at the Second Coming. People alive today, not part of the church, but chosen directly by Jesus after the Second Coming. They live on earth with the 144k who are the firstfruits of the Millennium, just like the disciples were the firstfruits of the church prior to the Cross. Jesus reigns as King on earth until earth is subdued or subjected. John stated that would last 1,000 years.

Your age to come that prohibits procreation, started at the Cross with those living in Paradise. Those in Paradise are like the angels. Obviously they serve God day and night in His Temple. Of course that has only been the last 2 days to them. Living in the last days certainly applies to those in Paradise with the Lord.

Here it is again incase you did not read it the first time:

Your age to come that prohibits procreation, started at the Cross with those living in Paradise. Those in Paradise are like the angels. Obviously they serve God day and night in His Temple. Of course that has only been the last 2 days to them. Living in the last days certainly applies to those in Paradise with the Lord.
 

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No such thing as a glorified body. If that were the case we would be quoting Scripture.

Instead you are asking a question that is a moot point. No such thing as a glorified physical body, so get over it.

The physical body is either corruptible or incorruptible. The incorruptible body cannot be glorified. Being glorified is putting on immortality over the incorruptible physical body. The mortal/slash body puts on the spirit, symbolized by a robe of white. The souls changes from a corruptible physical body to an incorruptible physical body.

That is what Paul states when he says, corruptible puts on incorruption and mortal puts on immortality. The soul puts off the temporal tent of Adam's corruptible flesh, and puts on God's permanent incorruptible physical body. 2 Corinthians 5:1.


Then the incorruptible physical body puts on the spirit, ie, a robe of white, ie, immortality, ie, the image of the divine. That is a fully restored son of God.

Paul states that in his day, since the Cross, the permanent incorruptible physical body was already waiting in Paradise. He told the churches they did not miss out on the OT getting a resurrection body. They would get it when the soul left this body.

Paul did not write his epistles to dead people already in Paradise waiting for a resurrection, yet that is how most interpret him according to being physically dead in Christ. You as a living person is who is dead in Christ. You are still in Adam's dead corruptible flesh. Those in Paradise are not. Adam's flesh cannot enter Paradise, but God's permanent incorruptible physical bodies sure can. That is where they are, duh. That is what 2 Corinthians 5:1 says.

Those in Paradise are not waiting for a resurrection. The church in Adam's dead corruptible flesh is looking for a resurrection out of death into eternal life. But that stops for the living once they physically die. No one in Christ has tasted death after the Cross. Tasting death stopped at the Cross when Abraham's bosom was emptied.


Now the whole point of Revelation 20 is to have 1,000 years of humans on earth no longer in Adam's dead corruptible flesh. But a resurrection that changes the physical body into God's permanent incorruptible physical body. The enjoyment of the kingdom in heaven for the last 1993 years will now be normal physical life on earth. The church is not on the earth after being fully restored as sons of God. They remain in Paradise until the New Jerusalem descends in the NHNE.

The sheep are changed at the judgment in Jerusalem at the Second Coming. People alive today, not part of the church, but chosen directly by Jesus after the Second Coming. They live on earth with the 144k who are the firstfruits of the Millennium, just like the disciples were the firstfruits of the church prior to the Cross. Jesus reigns as King on earth until earth is subdued or subjected. John stated that would last 1,000 years.

Your age to come that prohibits procreation, started at the Cross with those living in Paradise. Those in Paradise are like the angels. Obviously they serve God day and night in His Temple. Of course that has only been the last 2 days to them. Living in the last days certainly applies to those in Paradise with the Lord.

Here it is again incase you did not read it the first time:

Your age to come that prohibits procreation, started at the Cross with those living in Paradise. Those in Paradise are like the angels. Obviously they serve God day and night in His Temple. Of course that has only been the last 2 days to them. Living in the last days certainly applies to those in Paradise with the Lord.

I hope you understand what you are saying. It is a clear as mud. So, in your mind, the redeemed in heaven now possess "permanent incorruptible physical bodies" but only put on immortality at the second coming? So, that means they could die in heaven!
 

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Nope!

No such thing as a glorified body.

What? I just asked: so, if the redeemed are not glorified at the moment, when are they?

You replied:

At the Second Coming. The opening of the 5th and 6th Seals in Revelation 6.

You seem to be fighting with yourself. You do not seem to know what you believe.
 

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I hope you understand what you are saying. It is a clear as mud. So, in your mind, the redeemed in heaven now possess "permanent incorruptible physical bodies" but only put on immortality at the second coming? So, that means they could die in heaven!
You don't understand what putting on immortality is. Sorry that Greek philosophy mixed in with apostate theology makes Scripture as clear as mud to you. Pretty sure you see mud as being clear, and God's Word has been turned into mud by human theology.

What part of permanent means they can die?

Sin is death, not life. God can shorten a sinners life, or like Adam let a sinner live in a temporal corruptible body for 900 years.

God has never shortened a life that is in a permanent incorruptible physical body. Enoch was translated not glorified. Enoch has never died for near 5,500 years. He is not in a glorified body either, because they don't exist. Enoch has not been glorified, because putting on immortality does not happen for any one until the 5th and 6th Seal are opened.

Putting on the spirit is putting on God's life. God is spirit, and truth. Unfortunately you think immortality is just long life, but it is putting on God's image or the spirit around the permanent physical body that cannot die. Permanent means long life.

You call Paul's tent temporal. All I did was point out Paul's use of building is permanent as opposed to a temporal tent. If you can call this flesh temporal, why not call God's building in Paradise, permanent? Are not temporal and permanent antonyms? Surely permanent does not mean temporal.

The analogy is that the temporal is placed in the ground, and a permanent body is the result. Paul just pointed out the temporal is earthly and the result is heavenly. No one gets a permanent body on earth. But certainly no one has a temporal mortal body in Paradise. Until the Second Coming. Adam's dead corruptible flesh is done away with, even for those living on earth, not glorified.

You all are stuck in human theology that calls for naked souls enjoying Paradise. That is ridiculous nonsense. It seems to make people feel good they get a body someday down the road. But I am sure those in Paradise are not waiting. Where in 2 Corinthians 5 does it say those in heaven are waiting? Where in Scripture does it state a resurrection body when Jesus calls one out of the grave is still temporal mortal/death and corruptible?

The grave being Adam's dead corruptible flesh waiting in Abraham's bosom. No one is stuck in Abraham's bosom today. The soul already has a permanent incorruptible physical body, before Adam's dead corruptible flesh is even in the ground. Jesus said, let the dead bury the dead. God is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living. Jesus came to give us life. Jesus was the Resurrection and the Life when He called Lazarus from Abraham's bosom. Some claim Jesus was only the Resurrection and the Life after Resurrection Sunday. And Amil seem to think Jesus is only the Resurrection and the Life at the Second Coming. Jesus has made the church wait 2,000 years before any resurrection could happen, according to Amil.
 

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What? I just asked: so, if the redeemed are not glorified at the moment, when are they?

You replied:



You seem to be fighting with yourself. You do not seem to know what you believe.
It is not about believing or knowing what you believe. It is about Scripture and you don't believe Scripture. In fact I know you state Scripture is as clear as mud to you.

Give me one verse that states a glorified body means one is immortal.

The body does not become immortal. The body does not become glorified.

The soul puts on a permanent body. The body puts on a spirit. Two things are put on. The body is not the spirit, and the spirit is not a second body.

A glorified body term in Scripture is not that the body is glorified. It is that the body is spirit-fied. The glory of the spirit is now covering the physical body like a robe of white. In fact it means one shines like a star. Look up all the verse stating we shine as the stars. That is not the body. That is the spirit surrounding the body.


Why do you think Adam and Eve saw their naked bodies? God took off their spirit, covering of light, that was so bright, no one could see the physical body. God took away their robe of white. And at the 5th Seal God gives all those in Christ their robe of white back, even the raptured church from the earth meeting the Lord in the air. Then God says the church must wait until Jesus is finished with the final harvest for the rest of the redeemed to be harvested. But those redeemed after the Second Coming stay on earth during that 1,000 years you deny will happen.

Adam and Eve were never walking around naked in carnality. They had a robe of white on. They had a body put on over the soul, and a spirit put on over the body. That is what Paul says. Putting on two things, incorruptible and immortality. But those two things are the body and spirit that Adam lost when he disobeyed God.

Let go of Greek mythology and philosophy, that is clear mud, blinding you from Scripture. The body is not glorified it is a permanent incorruptible body. The glorified part is putting on the spirit over the body.

Your body does not turn into cloth when you put clothes on. Yet you could say you have a clothed body. The body does not turn into glory when you put the spirit on. Putting on the spirit does not make you live longer. It makes you shine as the stars. But it does not turn you into a star nor an angel. It is the restored image of God as a son of God.
 

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It is not about believing or knowing what you believe. It is about Scripture and you don't believe Scripture. In fact I know you state Scripture is as clear as mud to you.

Give me one verse that states a glorified body means one is immortal.

The body does not become immortal. The body does not become glorified.

The soul puts on a permanent body. The body puts on a spirit. Two things are put on. The body is not the spirit, and the spirit is not a second body.

A glorified body term in Scripture is not that the body is glorified. It is that the body is spirit-fied. The glory of the spirit is now covering the physical body like a robe of white. In fact it means one shines like a star. Look up all the verse stating we shine as the stars. That is not the body. That is the spirit surrounding the body.


Why do you think Adam and Eve saw their naked bodies? God took off their spirit, covering of light, that was so bright, no one could see the physical body. God took away their robe of white. And at the 5th Seal God gives all those in Christ their robe of white back, even the raptured church from the earth meeting the Lord in the air. Then God says the church must wait until Jesus is finished with the final harvest for the rest of the redeemed to be harvested. But those redeemed after the Second Coming stay on earth during that 1,000 years you deny will happen.

Adam and Eve were never walking around naked in carnality. They had a robe of white on. They had a body put on over the soul, and a spirit put on over the body. That is what Paul says. Putting on two things, incorruptible and immortality. But those two things are the body and spirit that Adam lost when he disobeyed God.

Let go of Greek mythology and philosophy, that is clear mud, blinding you from Scripture. The body is not glorified it is a permanent incorruptible body. The glorified part is putting on the spirit over the body.

Your body does not turn into cloth when you put clothes on. Yet you could say you have a clothed body. The body does not turn into glory when you put the spirit on. Putting on the spirit does not make you live longer. It makes you shine as the stars. But it does not turn you into a star nor an angel. It is the restored image of God as a son of God.

By your ad hominem and frustration I have obviously hit a raw nerve. Your error is plainly being exposed and you do not like it.
 

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It is not about believing or knowing what you believe. It is about Scripture and you don't believe Scripture. In fact I know you state Scripture is as clear as mud to you.

Give me one verse that states a glorified body means one is immortal.

The body does not become immortal. The body does not become glorified.

The soul puts on a permanent body. The body puts on a spirit. Two things are put on. The body is not the spirit, and the spirit is not a second body.

A glorified body term in Scripture is not that the body is glorified. It is that the body is spirit-fied. The glory of the spirit is now covering the physical body like a robe of white. In fact it means one shines like a star. Look up all the verse stating we shine as the stars. That is not the body. That is the spirit surrounding the body.


Why do you think Adam and Eve saw their naked bodies? God took off their spirit, covering of light, that was so bright, no one could see the physical body. God took away their robe of white. And at the 5th Seal God gives all those in Christ their robe of white back, even the raptured church from the earth meeting the Lord in the air. Then God says the church must wait until Jesus is finished with the final harvest for the rest of the redeemed to be harvested. But those redeemed after the Second Coming stay on earth during that 1,000 years you deny will happen.

Adam and Eve were never walking around naked in carnality. They had a robe of white on. They had a body put on over the soul, and a spirit put on over the body. That is what Paul says. Putting on two things, incorruptible and immortality. But those two things are the body and spirit that Adam lost when he disobeyed God.

Let go of Greek mythology and philosophy, that is clear mud, blinding you from Scripture. The body is not glorified it is a permanent incorruptible body. The glorified part is putting on the spirit over the body.

Your body does not turn into cloth when you put clothes on. Yet you could say you have a clothed body. The body does not turn into glory when you put the spirit on. Putting on the spirit does not make you live longer. It makes you shine as the stars. But it does not turn you into a star nor an angel. It is the restored image of God as a son of God.

Who writes your script? It would help if you quoted actual Scripture to support your claims all we get in your posts is private interpretation. If you had Scripture to support all this you would doubtless have given it by now.
 

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You don't understand what putting on immortality is. Sorry that Greek philosophy mixed in with apostate theology makes Scripture as clear as mud to you. Pretty sure you see mud as being clear, and God's Word has been turned into mud by human theology.

What part of permanent means they can die?

Sin is death, not life. God can shorten a sinners life, or like Adam let a sinner live in a temporal corruptible body for 900 years.

God has never shortened a life that is in a permanent incorruptible physical body. Enoch was translated not glorified. Enoch has never died for near 5,500 years. He is not in a glorified body either, because they don't exist. Enoch has not been glorified, because putting on immortality does not happen for any one until the 5th and 6th Seal are opened.

Putting on the spirit is putting on God's life. God is spirit, and truth. Unfortunately you think immortality is just long life, but it is putting on God's image or the spirit around the permanent physical body that cannot die. Permanent means long life.

You call Paul's tent temporal. All I did was point out Paul's use of building is permanent as opposed to a temporal tent. If you can call this flesh temporal, why not call God's building in Paradise, permanent? Are not temporal and permanent antonyms? Surely permanent does not mean temporal.

The analogy is that the temporal is placed in the ground, and a permanent body is the result. Paul just pointed out the temporal is earthly and the result is heavenly. No one gets a permanent body on earth. But certainly no one has a temporal mortal body in Paradise. Until the Second Coming. Adam's dead corruptible flesh is done away with, even for those living on earth, not glorified.

You all are stuck in human theology that calls for naked souls enjoying Paradise. That is ridiculous nonsense. It seems to make people feel good they get a body someday down the road. But I am sure those in Paradise are not waiting. Where in 2 Corinthians 5 does it say those in heaven are waiting? Where in Scripture does it state a resurrection body when Jesus calls one out of the grave is still temporal mortal/death and corruptible?

The grave being Adam's dead corruptible flesh waiting in Abraham's bosom. No one is stuck in Abraham's bosom today. The soul already has a permanent incorruptible physical body, before Adam's dead corruptible flesh is even in the ground. Jesus said, let the dead bury the dead. God is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living. Jesus came to give us life. Jesus was the Resurrection and the Life when He called Lazarus from Abraham's bosom. Some claim Jesus was only the Resurrection and the Life after Resurrection Sunday. And Amil seem to think Jesus is only the Resurrection and the Life at the Second Coming. Jesus has made the church wait 2,000 years before any resurrection could happen, according to Amil.

More opinion. Zero Scripture.
 

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By your ad hominem and frustration I have obviously hit a raw nerve. Your error is plainly being exposed and you do not like it.
You are the one claiming Scripture is as clear as mud. Why would I be frustrated at your declaration. I did not write the Bible.