More biblical proof that supports Amillennialism

[Timtofly]

Where are the dead OT saints now and then?

Where are the "dead" NT saints now and then?

You realize that no one is dead if they are in Christ?

 

[Timtofly]

You are espousing JW doctrine. They are fellow-Premils. Amils resist the JWs doctrines.

Where does Daniel 9 or Matthew 13 mention some supposed future millennium? Nowhere. This is all in your imagination.

Every time you see "kingdom" you think "future millennial kingdom." You are so fixated with this so-called period.

There is no consistency in Premil hermeneutics. They make it up as they go to suit their false teaching.

Daniel 9:2 says: “In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem. And I set my face unto the Lord God, to seek by prayer and supplication, with fasting, and sackcloth, and ashes.”

Are these seventy years linear, congruent and sequential?

And you don't follow Paul, Scripture, nor the Holy Spirit when it comes to eschatology.

You follow made up human ideology.

 

[Timtofly]

That verse (Daniel 9:24) applies to what Christ accomplished at Calvary, so you believe that Calvary is when the millennium began.

We welcome you as a fellow brother amil.

Why is there still sin in the world and people are not enjoying everlasting righteousness, that means living right in the site of God.

The total opposite of living in Adam's dead corruptible flesh.

I am glad I am not a confused Amil and their fuzzy definitions of righteousness.

 

[Timtofly]

Listen what you are asking. The source of your own beliefs is scriptural silence. It is your own imaginations. That is ridiculous. Plainly you have no Scripture to support your speculations,. It is time to get back to the Booj. If Premils would do that they would end up Amils.

Nope Isaiah 65 is clear and you obfuscate the text.

 

[Timtofly]

So, to be a born again Christians means you need to be dead and be in paradise? Where is paradise now?

Where are those alive in Christ?

You ask the strangest questions. Are you playing dumb?

"And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise."

Are you claiming to not know where Jesus is?

 

[WPM]

Where are the "dead" NT saints now and then?

You realize that no one is dead if they are in Christ?

So, the OT saints are "in Christ" and are part of the Church and located in paradise now?

 

[Timtofly]

So, are “the camp of the saints” believers? If so, what type of believers are they called?
So, are “Gog and Magog” believers? If so, what type of believers are they called?

It is like getting blood from a stone getting info out of you. LOL.

They are the sheep of the Second Coming judgment in Matthew 25. They are the wheat of the Second Coming harvest carried out by the angels in Matthew 13. They are the 144k. They are the beheaded during Satan's 42 months of AoD. It is all there in Scripture if you only looked.

They are righteous in permanent incorruptible physical bodies. They subdue the earth as described in Isaiah 65. They rule over their families for 20 to 30 generations. They live as trees on the earth. The camp of the saints is the area around Jerusalem. But there are people from all nations who go up year by year to Jerusalem.

Gog and Magog are the last few generations at the far reaches of the earth. Because they have to cross the breadth of the earth to get to the camp of the saints.

Surely you don't think a hand full of people sit around and twiddle their thumbs for 1,000 years and do nothing?

 

[WPM]

You are some piece of work Tim.

Only those who reject Jesus in the here and now, prior to the Lords second coming, will inhabit your pre-mill millennium.

Those people are not glorified at his coming as they are of Adams old flesh and have not been born again of the faith.

They remain the same and are not changed until they repent and are born again. Only then have they passed from death to life through their confession of Faith.
The thing is we only have until the second coming to make this commitment before the door is shut and Gods fixed day of judgment takes place.
Today is the day, so preach it if you know what is good for you.

God bless

LOL. Never take anything for granted with what he teaches. Just when you think you have grasped what to he holds he moves the goal posts.

 

[WPM]

They are the sheep of the Second Coming judgment in Matthew 25. They are the wheat of the Second Coming harvest carried out by the angels in Matthew 13. They are the 144k. They are the beheaded during Satan's 42 months of AoD. It is all there in Scripture if you only looked.

They are righteous in permanent incorruptible physical bodies. They subdue the earth as described in Isaiah 65. They rule over their families for 20 to 30 generations. They live as trees on the earth. The camp of the saints is the area around Jerusalem. But there are people from all nations who go up year by year to Jerusalem.

Gog and Magog are the last few generations at the far reaches of the earth. Because they have to cross the breadth of the earth to get to the camp of the saints.

Surely you don't think a hand full of people sit around and twiddle their thumbs for 1,000 years and do nothing?

Are the sheep synonymous with the wheat, who are also the same as the 144k, who in turn are the beheaded during Satan's 42 months of AoD? Or are these 4 unique groups?

So, if these have "permanent incorruptible physical bodies" why are they not in heaven with all the rest of the redeemed?

 

[WPM]

They are the sheep of the Second Coming judgment in Matthew 25. They are the wheat of the Second Coming harvest carried out by the angels in Matthew 13. They are the 144k. They are the beheaded during Satan's 42 months of AoD. It is all there in Scripture if you only looked.

They are righteous in permanent incorruptible physical bodies. They subdue the earth as described in Isaiah 65. They rule over their families for 20 to 30 generations. They live as trees on the earth. The camp of the saints is the area around Jerusalem. But there are people from all nations who go up year by year to Jerusalem.

Gog and Magog are the last few generations at the far reaches of the earth. Because they have to cross the breadth of the earth to get to the camp of the saints.

Surely you don't think a hand full of people sit around and twiddle their thumbs for 1,000 years and do nothing?

So, are Gog and Magog redeemed believers?

Where does it say the redeemed in incorruptible bodies marry and procreate in the age to come?

 

[Timtofly]

You are some piece of work Tim.

I have been called worse.

 

[Timtofly]

So, the OT saints are "in Christ" and are part of the Church and located in paradise now?

Why are you asking about who is saved and who is not?

There is only one body of Christ. Not 2. All have been or will be made alive who have not rejected Christ. Are you saying the sheep and wheat should be allowed to reject Christ and be condemned with the goats and tares? These sheep and tares are physically alive, never experiencing physical death. Where in any common sense do you find Scripture stating those made righteous have to then physically die? Do not those alive and remain avoid tasting physical death?

Do you think souls still have to enter Abraham's bosom?

 

[WPM]

Why are you asking about who is saved and who is not?

There is only one body of Christ. Not 2. All have been or will be made alive who have not rejected Christ. Are you saying the sheep and wheat should be allowed to reject Christ and be condemned with the goats and tares? These sheep and tares are physically alive, never experiencing physical death. Where in any common sense do you find Scripture stating those made righteous have to then physically die? Do not those alive and remain avoid tasting physical death?

Do you think souls still have to enter Abraham's bosom?

LOL. I am actually trying to discover your beliefs. You cannot seem to explain anything clearly or simply. That is why i have to ask so many questions. You seem to be trying to hide something.

So, if they are all one in Christ and are part of the body of Christ then they are in the Church. They will all then enjoy the same condition and in the same place at the second coming.

 

[Timtofly]

Are the sheep synonymous with the wheat, who are also the same as the 144k, who in turn are the beheaded during Satan's 42 months of AoD? Or are these 4 unique groups?

So, if these have "permanent incorruptible physical bodies" why are they not in heaven with all the rest of the redeemed?

Why do you deny a Millennium?

Why ask why? The sons of God were created to live on earth, not in heaven with the angels. The angels were created to live in heaven.

The lost sheep of Israel are the lost sheep of Israel.

The wheat represents the Gentiles.

Are there not kings of the earth, meaning other nations and kingdoms mentioned in Revelation? How about this verse:

"And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it."

Do you just go around and nullify all Scripture that you think does not agree with your Amil paradigm that comes straight from human understanding, and not Scripture at all?

Where do you think all these nations come from, since you eradicated them all with a wave of your intellectual prowess?

These nations come from the earth being populated during those 1,000 years you deny will happen.


No verse claims the New Jerusalem has been an ark floating in the skies for the last 1993 years, ie your here and now. And then at the Second Coming they all step out and fill up the earth. Amil has no logical understanding of the entire volume of Scripture. You all cherry pick verses as excuses to contradict other clear Scripture. But no Scripture spells it out in modern lingo how you think it should be spelled out.

 

[covenantee]

Why is there still sin in the world and people are not enjoying everlasting righteousness, that means living right in the site of God.

The total opposite of living in Adam's dead corruptible flesh.

I am glad I am not a confused Amil and their fuzzy definitions of righteousness.

Why do you deny that Christ's sacrifice made an end of sins?

John 1
29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Hebrews 9
26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

1 John 3
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.


Scripture declares that there was already abundant righteousness 2,000 years ago. It has never ended. It is everlasting righteousness, brought in by Christ's sacrifice. Nothing fuzzy about it whatever. It is the righteousness that amil believes and proclaims.

1 Corinthians 1:30
But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

2 Corinthians 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

1 Peter 2:24
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

1 John 2:29
If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.


Awaiting your scripture which disproves the foregoing.

 

[Timtofly]

So, are Gog and Magog redeemed believers?

Where does it say the redeemed in incorruptible bodies marry and procreate in the age to come?

What does it mean to subdue the earth and bring it under subjection?

"And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."

 

[Timtofly]

LOL. I am actually trying to discover your beliefs. You cannot seem to explain anything clearly or simply. That is why i have to ask so many questions. You seem to be trying to hide something.

So, if they are all one in Christ and are part of the body of Christ then they are in the Church. They will all then enjoy the same condition and in the same place at the second coming.

Who are you talking about? Those who live on the earth during the Millennium stay on the earth until the New Jerusalem descends and then all the sons of God will be on the earth.

 

[Timtofly]

Why do you deny that Christ's sacrifice made an end of sins?

John 1
29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Hebrews 9
26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

1 John 3
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.


Scripture declares that there was already abundant righteousness 2,000 years ago. It has never ended. It is everlasting righteousness, brought in by Christ's sacrifice. Nothing fuzzy about it whatever. It is the righteousness that amil believes and proclaims.

1 Corinthians 1:30
But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

2 Corinthians 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

1 Peter 2:24
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

1 John 2:29
If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.


Awaiting your scripture which disproves the forgoing.

Why are you denying the reality of sin still in the world?

I never claimed Jesus did not nor will not do all those things.

You all are in denial that humans are still sinners.

 

[covenantee]

Why are you denying the reality of sin still in the world?

I never claimed Jesus did not nor will not do all those things.

You all are in denial that humans are still sinners.

Yes, He certainly did do all those things at Calvary.

Thus refuting your denials.

 

[jeffweeder]

I have been called worse.

Not the response I was hoping for. Why do you avoid everything being said to you. Why not meet this head on instead of embarrassing yourself all the time.