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I do the same sometime. I think though we should attack the issue instead of the person. We must call them out for falsehoods and venom, but we must always strive to speak the truth in love.
Mat 7:1 “Judge not, that you be not judged.
Mat 7:2 For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you.
Mat 7:3 Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?
Mat 7:4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye?
Mat 7:5 You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.
Mat 7:6 “Do not give dogs what is holy, and do not throw your pearls before pigs, lest they trample them underfoot and turn to attack you.

Personally, I think this goes for both sides, and since these letters are in red, it should be important.
 

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2.) Fully aware of this, but you are veering off the passage in James and Matt 25.

3.) Again, any scripture references for this statement? You are typing a lot of words, but rarely scripture quotations.


James talks about "dead faith". regarding a born again person.

He says .. ."I will show you my faith, by my works"....

Notice that this is related to Spiritual Fruit bearing......but, notice......its not before God...>its before "YOU" he shows you his faith.

"""""I will show YOU my faith by my works."""..... So, why not before God?
Its because God sees inside you, where you faith exists, and He does not have to be shown, as he saw it the first time you had it in your heart, and that is when He Eternally saves.
Salvation is Eternal Life in Christ...... Its forever.

Also, consider that the good works you do before you are saved, ..the good deeds.......are no better after you are saved.
They are the same works......and God does not accept your works before or after you are saved, to Justify you.
See the Cross for why He doesn't ever accept your works, to accept you.


Matthew 25 what?

What verse.?
 

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@mailmandan and @Behold and @Ronald Nolette (did I miss anyone?) they can be highminded! They don’t have to stand fast in the faith!

They might as well cross out these scriptures:

Watch ye, stand fast in the faith, quit you like men, be strong.” (1 Corinthians 16:13)

“…thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.” (Romans 11:20-21)
I cherish those SCriptures. but I accept them as they appear in their context and whom they are addressing.

If you like I will gladly give you a list of Scriptures you cross out to promote teh heresy that you can lose your salvation.

To quote Charles Hadden Spurgeon: " I wonder if those who believe they can lose their salvation, ever met the Savior in the first place!"

To believe you can lose what is not kept by you or even you cannot get yourt hands on, leads me to believe you are near clueless at the enormity of what Jesus accomplished on the cross and His REsurrection.
 

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Mat 7:1 “Judge not, that you be not judged.
Mat 7:2 For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you.
Mat 7:3 Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?
Mat 7:4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye?
Mat 7:5 You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.
Mat 7:6 “Do not give dogs what is holy, and do not throw your pearls before pigs, lest they trample them underfoot and turn to attack you.

Personally, I think this goes for both sides, and since these letters are in red, it should be important.
True, butr we are only responsible for how we respond, we cannot control how others act, only how we respond.
 

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I do the same sometime. I think though we should attack the issue instead of the person. We must call them out for falsehoods and venom, but we must always strive to speak the truth in love.

Paul said to do good to all men , as much as possible and as much as lies within you.

He then caused a male witch to go blind.

That bible is interesting and Christianity, as Spirituality, is not just "play nice".

He also said to deal with a religious person who will not accept the Cross, ..(God's Grace).. ONLY. 2 or 3 times.
Forums dont allow that rule, so heretics love them.
He then says that they can't be reached, being "subverted inside themselves".
This is that DARK LIGHT i talk about a lot. This person is devoted to what they believe, yet what they believe is deception.
Their Stronghold, is beyond reach.

Luke 11:35


The bottom line is...

On a Forum....I want to teach a willing student hearer, i want to help a fallen from Grace, but more then anything, i want to protect a new believer or a weak believer from being faith destroyed for life by those who have been already.
 

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If you , by works, can earn righteousness and God's eternal acceptance, then was God stupid to send Christ to the Nails for you, if you could do it for yourself?

No one is making that argument.

We all agree that a lost man obtains salvation and remission of all his sins by believing the gospel alone apart from works.

Where the disagreement occurs is that you unbiblically assert that his works moving forward are of no consequence to his salvation.

I have shown multiple scriptures from multiple books of the Bible showing that your assertion is in error.

But you have cleverly found various ways for all those scriptures to be irrelevant in one way or another as to preserve your unbiblical system of faith. @mailmandan does this as well.
 

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If you like I will gladly give you a list of Scriptures you cross out to promote teh heresy that you can lose your salvation.

Give it a shot.

I’ll give you the complete Biblical context on all those scriptures without appealing to unbiblical sources. I know a lot of the ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED pet verses.
 

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ouch. not caring is not loving. do you praise god with that heart?

CARE = Attention or heed; caution; regard; heedfulness; watchfulness; as, take care; have a care.

My attention, regard, heedfulness, etc., is on scripture alone.

Much less in a man who teaches error regarding salvation.
 

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Eph 2:1 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins
Eph 2:2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience—
Eph 2:3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.
Eph 2:4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us,
Eph 2:5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—
Eph 2:6 and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
Eph 2:7 so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,

Eph 2:9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

In full agreement on this particular post, what is your exegesis on Eph 2.10?

Good question..

I'll give you a THREAD answer.....maybe i'll post it, later.

""""For we are his workmanship, """"

That is a human, formed from dirt........and its the born again of their Father in Heaven, as the "new Creation".
God is an artist., and that is why we tend to want to draw and write and play an instrument, and sculpt and paint.
See, we are made in God's likeness, so we are made to enjoy and do what God likes, also.
Notice the Cosmos?

Its never static...Its always moving, shift shaping and shape shifting, exploding, filled with stars and God's creative stuff.
God sees this from on high, as if its endless fireworks........like Christmas lights.......like BEAUTY to God's EYE.
The reason you see things as BEAUTIFUL< is because that is How God sees them, as that is his ART.

God's ART is LIFE and the universe is His Canvas..... coming alive....its all HIS CREATION...That is God Almighty's LIVING ART.
That's all of us.

We are God's ART, made for His pleasure.
God created creation from His imagination, and spoke it into existence as the divine order and beauty,. you see all around you.

Here is one more for your book...
Only humans, perceive BEAUTY. As that is a God Trait, found only in us on earth.
Animals dont perceive things as BEAUTIFUL.
Only We do, because God does also. = "created in HIS LIKENESS"..

You see a beautiful sunrise and sunset., and a RED RED Rose.
A snake sees light and dark, and Thorns to avoid.


""""created in Christ Jesus for good works, """"

To be created in Christ, is to become a "new Creation in Christ".

"For good works"....... So, as we are "In Christ' and Christ is in us, so we are. .. ":As Christ is , so are the born again, in this world,""..

What did Christ do ?
"He went about doing Good Works". and so should we.
Not to be saved , but because we ARE Saved .


"""which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them
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That is a few things..
I'll show you one.
Paul said...>"i have finished my Course"...
A course is what is ahead of you to do, to endure, to overcome, to FINISH "to walk in"...>.. and God has things for you like this, your entire Christian Life.
A ministry can be one. Or some project. Or some issue to face.
You'll get a new one to do soon enough.

What do they produce as we "walk in them"?
They produce FAITH., because you have to engage the course and that is going to try your Patience over TIME, and that increases your faith, and without faith, you can't please God.
Notice its not works that please God, its Faith., as "without faith its impossible to please God".
Heretics try to please God by their silly WORKS.
He Ignores them.

James, chapter 1, : “Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. “But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing."""

See, when you want nothing from this world ,that is because you are totally satisfied and content with God and Christ only.

That is the 1st Commandment.

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That is a few things..
I'll show you one.
Paul said...>"i have finished my Course"...
A course is what is ahead of you to do, to endure, to overcome, to FINISH "to walk in"...>.. and God has thing for you like this, your entire Christian Life.
You'll get a new one to do soon enough.
See here, you use the word "endure" I would include perseverance and I wish we can, like Paul say: I have finished my course....


1Co 9:23 And this I do for the gospel's sake, in order that I may become partaker thereof with the Gospel.
1Co 9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race-course run all, but one receiveth the prize? So as these runners do run, in order that ye may lay hold of.
1Co 9:25 And every man that strives for victory in a race exercises self-control in all things. Now they do it in order that they may receive a withering wreath of parsley; but we an unwithering crown.
1Co 9:26 I therefore as these runners do, run, as not uncertainly; so I fight with the fist [box] , as one not beating the air:
1Co 9:27 But I treat with harshness my body, and reduce myself to slavery: lest that by any means, having preached to others, I myself should become rejected for the prize.

And love this portion.....

Heb 12:1 Wherefore we also having so great a cloud of witnesses surrounding us, laying aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run through patient continuance the race that is set before us,
Heb 12:2 Looking away from these witnesses unto Jesus the Author and Perfecter of ... faith;
Who for the joy that was set before Him Patiently endured a cross, despising shame, and hath sat down on the right hand of the throne of God.

What do they produce as we "walk in them"?
They produce FAITH., because you have to engage the course and that is going to try your Patience over TIME, and that increases your faith, and without faith, you can't please God.
Notice its not works that please God, its Faith., as "without faith its impossible to please God".
Heretic try to please God by their silly WORKS.
He Ignores them.

But we are going to give an account based upon our works, yes?
 
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We are not supposed to love parchment but people

“Thy word is very pure: therefore thy servant loveth it.” (Psalms 119:140)

“Therefore I esteem all thy precepts concerning all things to be right; and I hate every false way.” (Psalms 119:128)

Paul rebuked heretics much more harshly than I have:

“O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?” (Acts 13:10)
 

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Cut off from salvation.
Read Romans 11, and tell me they were "cut off" from salvation.


Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the according to nature branches, take heed that He neither spare thee.
Rom 11:22 Consider therefore the goodness and cutting off of God: on them which fell, cutting off ; but on thee, goodness, if thou continue in His goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Rom 11:23 And they also, if they continue not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the wild olive tree which is so by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?






The Mystery of Israel's Salvation


Rom 11:25 For I desire not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this secret, in order that ye should be not wise with yourselves; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is the covenant with Me to them, when I shall take away their sins.
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies on account of your sakes: but as concerning the election, they are beloved [special] on account of the fathers' sakes.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are not to be repented of.
Rom 11:30 For as ye at one time disobeyed God, yet have now obtained mercy [were pitied] through their disobedience:
Rom 11:31 Even so have these also now not believed, in order that through your mercy they also may be pitied .
Rom 11:32 For God shut up them all in unbelief, in order that He might pity all.
Rom 11:33 O the depth of the richesboth of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how inscrutable are His judgments, and His ways untraceable !
Rom 11:34 For who knew the mind of the Lord? or who became His fellow-counsellor ?
Rom 11:35 Or who gave first to Him, and it shall be repaid unto him again?

Rom 11:36 For from Him, and through Him, and to Him, are all things: to Whom be glory for ever. Amen.
 

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Read Romans 11, and tell me they were "cut off" from salvation.

Okay.

“Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear” (Romans 11:20)

Salvation is in view here.

The gospel is the main topic of belief in the New Testament.

And the warning is crystal clear.

“For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.” (Romans 11:21-22)