What is the one true Church?

[RR144]

Indeed with prayer and honesty! Please read: Romans 11:25-27.

This is speaking about the Nation of Israel and how they have not been rejected by God.

The paragraph above is of course a false statement! No Scripture is found that can be read that "accepting Jesus " has any merit in our sanctification (Ephesians 2:8-9). In fact, Jesus gave and sacrificed Himself for His church.

and yet the Apostle Paul says that Jesus "gave Himself—a ransom for all." 1 Tim. 2:6

 

[Illuminator]

“Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; that they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us...” — John 17:20, 21

Catholic diocese donates $50,000 to three black churches damaged by arson attack​

The Greater Union Baptist Church in St. Landry Parish, La. was set ablaze on April, 2, 2019

A Roman Catholic diocese donated an estimated $50,000 to three historically African-American churches that were the victims of a series of arson attacks in Louisiana.

Earlier this year, St. Mary’s Baptist Church of Port Barre, Greater Union Baptist Church and Mt. Pleasant Baptist Church of Opelousas were attacked by an arsonist.
source
IMO, the true church is the most persecuted; a new kind of dragon is at war with us. It's not a question of Catholic or Baptist is the true church, it's a matter of how drastic God has to get to get our attention, to be united in our sufferings. We live in a culture of death. So I care more about what is going on around us today, not so much the same old boring 16th century politics.

Bishop J. Douglas Deshotel of the Catholic Diocese of Lafayette is a Vatican II bishop.

 

[Illuminator]

* I am not only a lapsed Catholic, but also an apostate Catholic, having
renounced The Church and thrown in with the Protestants back in 1968.
However, I am in no danger of perdition because as one of the good
shepherd's sheep, I am immune to the wages of sin.

You didn't renounce the Church, you renounced what you thought the Church was.
24 years of deadness and you still renounce the Pelagian heresy of your own making. That disqualifies you from making doctrinal pronouncements on the CC. You are about the same age as me but you haven't grown out of the spiritual abuse you endured, and are compelled to blame the Church for your deadness.
Back in 1968, Protestants were taught that all Catholics were going to hell. I thank God many denominations have grown up.
A Catholic by inertia is not a Catholic by practice. Maybe you are too old to learn the difference.

How Can Catholicism Be True When Catholics Are So Dead? (2023)

Several people wrote to me recently to express their skepticism about Catholicism based on their experience with actual Catholics. Most of the Catholics I know don't take it seriously. They're worldly and secular and they don't seem to care about Jesus or the Gospel at all. G.K. Chesterton once...

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[Brakelite]

I challenge you to name ONE Protestant who apologized for their centuries old atrocities, and stop pretending there weren't any.
It's a stupid childish argument that goes nowhere.

Disclaimer and statement of intent: Unfortunately, the religious “scandal score” needs to be evened up now and then, and the lesser-known “skeletons in the closet” need to be rescued from obscurity, surveyed, and exposed. I take no pleasure in “dredging up” these unsavory occurrences, but it is necessary for honest, fair historical appraisal. This does not mean that I have forsaken ecumenism, or that I wish to bash Protestants, or that I deny corresponding Catholic shortcomings.

Historical facts are what they are, and most Protestants (and Catholics) are unaware of the following historical events and beliefs (while, on the other hand, one always hears about the embarrassing and scandalous Catholic stuff — and not often very accurately or fairly at that). If (as I suspect might often be the case) readers are shocked or surprised by the very title of this paper, this would be a case in point, and justification enough for my purposes of education.

Even James Swan, an anti-Catholic Reformed Protestant polemicist and controversialist, who has often incompetently and unfairly savaged my research on early Protestantism, freely admits:

***“[T]here is a sense in which I’m sympathetic to the defenders of Rome who put forth the Tu quoque argument that Protestants have also committed atrocities, so bringing up Rome’s past sins isn’t a logically compelling argument against her . This is why I rarely have written against Rome by pointing out her moral evils.” (on his website, 9-9-17) He also writes of Hartmann Grisar, the Jesuit Luther biographer whom I cite a lot below: “I have found him to be mostly reliable with his citations.” (2-7-07)​

​

With that end and stated outlook in mind, I offer this copiously researched treatise, with all due respect to my Protestant brethren, yet not without some remaining trepidation.* * * * *
CONTENTS
I. PROTESTANT INTOLERANCE: AN OVERVIEW

II. PLUNDER AS AN AGENT OF RELIGIOUS REVOLUTION

III. SYSTEMATIC SUPPRESSION OF CATHOLICISM

IV. PROTESTANT CENSORSHIP

BIBLIOGRAPHY

Protestant Inquisitions: "Reformation" Intolerance & Persecution

Documentation that the early Protestants were every bit as intolerant as Catholics, and engaged in systematic persecuting inquisitions.

www.patheos.com

This treatise features citations from Protestant and secular scholars.​

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So I read your little treatise, and there was nothing there that surprised or shocked. I was fully aware of the equally egregious incidents of Protestant persecutions... Not only against Catholics, but fellow Protestants.
However, you are comparing apples with rusty ovens. First, you need to consider the fact that every single Protestant was originally a Catholic, and dragged their old teachings and bad habits with them: the concept of religious freedom as you correctly noted, didn't enter they minds of Protestantism until the 18th century with Robinson, and the leaders of Protestantism, were mostly ex priests, inculcated into Catholic tradition and practise, namely intolerance and the willingness to persecute dissenters, which they did with equal alacrity and determination as many Catholics before them.
Second, you cite an historical narrative for Protestantism that encompassed a vast time period of at least, what, 250 years? And you are having your readers to believe this is comparable to the 1000 or more years of Catholic/state persecutions that wiped out entire communities of Christians across Europe, with the goal of genocidal extermination against entire cultures such as the Albigenses and Waldenses. You have written a small booklet on protestant persecution. There are books as thick as the tower of London on the Catholic crusades against the Waldenses alone.
Finally, the actions by Protestants against catholicism and those actively pushing forward Rome's agenda of European dominance through a new "Roman empire" (which was demonstrably not holy under any circumstance), was a war against what they knew to be the Antichrist of scripture. Certainly they went about things the wrong way, but history had all too well revealed the determination and zeal and hatred held by Rome toward any who would dare choose another path other than that which had been devised in Rome, and refuse to submit to papal authority.
The identification of the CC system as the Antichrist by Protestantism (which was one of the few things all Protestants agreed on more or less), magnified by the determination by Rome to use any means possible to cast the Protestant movement in as bad a light as possible, including lies concerning protestant beliefs, lies concerning the character of sects outside of Rome, and introducing 2 contradictory theories to choose Protestants, all tactics which endure to this day, even in this very forum.
Your 'expose' of Protestant persecutions falls somewhat flat. Not excusing any of it, it simply doesn't compare. Particularly when considering the fact that Catholic opposition and destruction of heretics was basic Catholic policy since the time of the council of Nicea after which the moves against the Arians started a very ugly ball rolling, and didn't really come to a halt until international awareness made such practices untenable. No real change in policy, just public relations nous.

 

[Brakelite]

You didn't renounce the Church, you renounced what you thought the Church was.
24 years of deadness and you still renounce the Pelagian heresy of your own making. That disqualifies you from making doctrinal pronouncements on the CC. You are about the same age as me but you haven't grown out of the spiritual abuse you endured, and are compelled to blame the Church for your deadness.
Back in 1968, Protestants were taught that all Catholics were going to hell. I thank God many denominations have grown up.
A Catholic by inertia is not a Catholic by practice. Maybe you are too old to learn the difference.

How Can Catholicism Be True When Catholics Are So Dead? (2023)

Several people wrote to me recently to express their skepticism about Catholicism based on their experience with actual Catholics. Most of the Catholics I know don't take it seriously. They're worldly and secular and they don't seem to care about Jesus or the Gospel at all. G.K. Chesterton once...

uphaso-com.ngontinh24.com

My official exit from catholicism came after meeting Jesus during a night of confession and surrender, and twice returning to my roots, attending mass, meeting the officiating priest, but finding no life within or encouragement to return.
I never knew or met a bad Catholic. I never had any experience with or issues with abuse, either sexual or otherwise, and no reports of any entered into my consciousness, and was always content with the 23 years of Catholic fellowship and education.
I am not bias or prejudiced against individual Catholic people. My family on my mother's side were fervent Irish Catholics, my grandparents donating their property to the church upon which a church building was erected and stands to this day. Being constantly called "anti Catholic", if by use of that term suggests hatred and bias against individuals, is nothing more than gas lighting and is a personal affront to my character and integrity.

My opposition to catholicism today stems solely from biblical criteria identifying the the system as Antichrist as per the reformers of the 16th and 17th centuries. Protestantism today is
no longer protestant having in the main abandoned that teaching, and denying the Westminster confession in the process. A situation I am sure that Rome has taken note of, and currently encourages.

 

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The Church is in a constant state or renewal. That's why we have synods and councils. You have no synods or councils.
Why don't you write an open letter to the Pope right here on this board listing the changes the Church must make, according to your relativistic liberalism. If you can't do that, stop crying over issues you know nothing about.
All those wishing to write to the Pope, may send their letters to the following address:

His Holiness Pope Francis
00120 Vatican City

How to write to Pope Francis - Vaticano.com

All those wishing to write to the Pope, may send their letters to the following address: His Holiness Pope Francis00120...

www.vaticano.com

Problem....your “church”..any “church” constant renewing..constant changing.

I think @Grailhunter point was “church’s” are in need of:
“Reverting, Reviving, Reconciling”...
BECAUSE they have lost their way, with man-made “renewing, changing”.

God Does NOT Change.
Gods Word Does NOT Change.
Gods Power Does NOT Change.
Gods Doctrine Does NOT Change.

God (not councils of men)... RENEWS.

 

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Catholic diocese donates $50,000 to three black churches damaged by arson attack​

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The Greater Union Baptist Church in St. Landry Parish, La. was set ablaze on April, 2, 2019

A Roman Catholic diocese donated an estimated $50,000 to three historically African-American churches that were the victims of a series of arson attacks in Louisiana.

Earlier this year, St. Mary’s Baptist Church of Port Barre, Greater Union Baptist Church and Mt. Pleasant Baptist Church of Opelousas were attacked by an arsonist.
source
IMO, the true church is the most persecuted; a new kind of dragon is at war with us. It's not a question of Catholic or Baptist is the true church, it's a matter of how drastic God has to get to get our attention, to be united in our sufferings. We live in a culture of death. So I care more about what is going on around us today, not so much the same old boring 16th century politics.

Bishop J. Douglas Deshotel of the Catholic Diocese of Lafayette is a Vatican II bishop.

God getting a mans attention is one thing.

Mans Propaganda Machine getting mans attention is another thing.
* the article mentioned....Catholic, Baptist, Arson, Money, Position, Race....

* Fact...Domination, Money, Race irrelevant.

* Fact...Three Church Buildings were set ablaze by underhanded, low-down, wicked arsonists. Investigation and efforts to apprehend the arsonists is underway.

Anyone desiring to Offer assistance can DO SO, by contacting:
Investigating Authorities...of each district.
Pastors....of each Church.
...the Greater Union Baptist Church in St. Landry Parish, La.
...St. Mary’s Baptist Church in Port Barre, La.
...Mt. Pleasant Baptist Church in Opelousas, La.

THAT is NEWS...Rather than “poor” situation and Catholic Kudos.

Service unto God, is without credit unto men.

 

[Ziggy]

 

[Jim B]

Sometimes I wonder what planet you live on.
Abortion is definately NOT reproductive health, it's murder.
I find it rather amazing that the ones who are trying to save lives from getting ripped apart in the womb, you accuse of being hateful.
That's ironic.
Women have the right to keep their legs shut.
Women have the right to contraceptives.
Women have the right to give their children up for adoption.
Women have lots of rights.
What rights does that baby have while it's being sucked out limb by limb from what should be the most protected place on earth?

Show me the Love of a woman who chooses to destroy her own child.

Reproductive health care is the biggest lie the devil ever sown, and you eat it up like candy.

I don't attack people for having abortions. God will deal with that.
But I don't have to agree with it. And I don't have to hide my opinion concerning it.
I do agree that in very rare occasions when this procedure may be needed.
Life of the mother. In the case of rape, only if the rapist also goes to prison. Incest, only if the family member also goes to prison.
If the child must die, then so should the one who committed the crime.

Don't talk to me about the free choice to kill an innocent life.

Read your own bible.

I live on Planet Earth - duh!

Abortion is not murder. That is just a mindless "catch phrase" for people who it hurts to think.

If women have the right to contraceptives isn't that murder by your standards?

That's all the time I'm going to waste replying to your senseless babble.

 

[Jim B]

The golden bull of all inclusivity has blinded the eyes of many by preaching a false love .

Did this phrase originate with you? It is coherent English and there are no grammar/spelling mistakes.

 

[Jim B]

No wonder he thinks so many church leaders are fine and good . That is why he constantly goes after me
for exposing the false ones . He thinks certain things are just fine when indeed they ought to be exposed for what they are .

Many church leaders are fine and good. You just can't see that because of your blinding condemnation.

 

[Jim B]

I was going after the false leaders of said church at that time . Just like i expose the false ones of today .
Ye can see the error of them , yet you cannot see the error of todays leaders .

You are on a self-righteous crusade to judge everyone -- except yourself. Is your faith really so weak? We have a Savior! Try to understand the meaning of that word and stop playing God!

 

[Jim B]

The golden bull of all inclusivity has blinded the eyes of many by preaching a false love .

Yeah, everyone is blind except you, correct?

 

[Illuminator]

 

[Marymog]

Mmm. @Marymog has this fetish for referring to "your men", etc, all the while she and her fellow Catholics blindly follow the magisterium, the encyclicals of corrupt Pipes, and so called "infallible" declarations commanding precepts and doctrines not found in scripture, and not checked by anyone whether they actually are or not.

If you adhere to the Protestant men's teachings then they are YOUR MEN.

 

[Marymog]

Your Carnal Mindedness wins again.
God is not stymied with wonderment. He knows every humans true thoughts….age irrelevant.

Still no answer....Lol

 

[Marymog]

You should try some of this too......
“Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. Matthew 5:48
“If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. Luke 14:26

You are misinterpreting the scriptures to suite you and it does not fit reality.
God had the whole Old Testament to say.....IF YOU LOVE ME DON'T HAVE SEX. But that is not what He said.....
But He did say....
For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh.
Most people miss "shall leave his father and mother" not can....not might....or if he wants to....Genesis 2:24
God blessed them; and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth..... Genesis 1:28
Notice He did not say "Pretty please will you be fruitful and multiply.....Thank you in advance.....smile smile" It is the only commandment that He repeats over and over again in the Old Testament. This attraction to celibacy is just as strange and unnatural as homosexualality.

This celibate thing you guys have going on in your head just does not workout and has caused some the greatest of sins and disgrace to the Church....we know because some people did interpret the scriptures like you do.....

Just because a guy decides to be celibate that does not reduce the sex drives and they are part of the survival instincts so it is going to happen more times than not. And in a male dominate religion when you put a restrictions on marriage and sex....women become the tempters......then they are linked to Satan.... then the Church starts stripping them and torturing them and burning them at the stake and making their children watch.

All the result of this perverted interpretations of scriptures it lead some Catholic Christian leaders to believe that marriage and sex was a sin and women were the evil tempter of good men.

Origen, St. Jerome, St. Augustine, St. Ambrose, and St. Thomas Aquinas, these men had very negative views towards women and taught that anything to do with sex was straight from Satan. Any type of sexuality, beauty, feelings, romance, love, or pleasure were the worst of sins, and celibacy, ugly, sorrow, suffering, and pain were Godly. Romanic love in itself was considered wrong. They believed marital sex was a sin even though they acknowledged that it was a necessity. An insane conundrum of logic. A man’s desire for his wife was considered lust and the only time marital sex should be performed was to have children and after that sex should stop. Origen actually castrated himself because he thought his penis was tempting him. Ouch! This is after a slue of sexual issues and his statements against the evils of women and sex.

Even though St. Jerome obviously preferred the company of women, (Because the company he kept and most of his followers were women.) He still had this to say about the status of women: “….it is contrary to the order of nature, or of law, that women should speak in the assembly of men……and man should be commanded to love his wife, whereas the wife should fear her husband.” and he also said “Nothing is so unclean as a woman in her periods; what she touches she causes to become unclean.” .....Written by St. Jerome

“Because Eve caused the fall of Man she and all women were cursed to painfully deliver children between urine and feces.” ....Written by St. Jerome

“He who ardently loves his own wife is an adulterer.” ....Written by St. Jerome

On the topic of sexual desire Augustine had this to say....“Who can control this when its appetite is aroused? No one! In the very movement of this appetite, then, it has no ‘mode’ that responds to the decisions of the will. But when those who delight in this pleasure are not moved to it at their own will, whether they confine themselves to lawful or transgress to a unlawful pleasures; but sometimes this lust importunes them in spite of themselves, and sometimes fails them when they desire to feel it, so that though lust rages in the mind, it stirs not in the body .....Written by St. Augustine

“This diabolical excitement of the genitals…” (As St. Augustine refers to the act of sex.) …is evidence of Adam’s original sin which is now transmitted “from the mother’s womb,” tainting all human beings with sin, and leaving them incapable of choosing good over evil, or determining their own destiny.” ....Written by St. Augustine

“We must conclude, that a husband is meant to rule over his wife as the spirit rules over the flesh. and “the flesh lusts against the spirit and the spirit against the flesh.” ....Written by St. Augustine

Referring to the Hell that awaits women, Augustine in his famous Latin sermon ''Ad Fratres in Eremitate Sermo LXIX.'' He describes how Satan seized the damned female and commanded his fellow devils to “pierce her eyes with forks as she enjoyed looking at unclean things, pierce her mouth as she used them for blasphemy, pierce her heart, as she did not harbor piety, compassion, clemency, and forgiveness there, pierce her hands with the heavy fork forged in Hell since she reached with them at things unclean and did not use them to distribute alms and help her neighbors, use the fiery forks to pierce her legs that she used to dance and meet her lovers.' Then to the gates of Hell she is carried and then '"out steps a hideous, horrible dragon, always ready to devour sinners. The dragon inserts the female into his mouth, full of stench. After chewing and digesting its prey, the dragon vomits the female into a fiery lake, where millions of other sinners wait for their trial by our Lord." .....Written by St. Augustine

”..marriage is a crime against God, because it changed the state of virginity that God gave every man and woman at birth....Marriage is a prostitution of the members of Christ, and married people ought to blush at the state in which they live.” Written by St. Ambrose

In the year 553 A.D. At a Council of bishops in Macon, religious leaders debate and voted on whether or not females had souls. By a narrow margin the Bishops decide that females have souls. Like it was their choice.

Penitential regulation laid down in the 7th century by Theodore, Bishop of Canterbury, forbade menstruating women to take communion or even enter the church. At the French Synod of Meraux, menstruating women were specifically forbidden to come to church

We move forward to the year 940 A.D. A well-respected religious leader named Odo, who was the leader of the Monks of Cluny, wrote, “To embrace a woman is to embrace a sack of manure.” And considered “….the beauty of a woman the greatest of snares.”

For this reason the hatred of women and marriage became popular in the Catholic Church. It is not only the wrong interpretations of the scriptures it has caused things that Satan would applaud.

Origen, St. Jerome, St. Augustine, St. Ambrose, and St. Thomas Aquinas don't make doctrine for The Church

 

[Marymog]

For this reason the hatred of women and marriage became popular in the Catholic Church. It is not only the wrong interpretations of the scriptures it has caused things that Satan would applaud.

Complete lie....shame on you.

Marriage is one of 7 sacrements of The Church.

 

[Illuminator]

However, I am in no danger of perdition because as one of the good
shepherd's sheep, I am immune to the wages of sin.

Well praise God!!! That is a very good thing! Let me be clear. I do not oppose life changing experiences with the Lord no matter where it may occur. But I don't think posting cheap shots against the CC all over the internet is a good thing. I'm sure you are well liked in your community, and are probably a good Christian leader, but there is nothing 'Christian' about your private war against the CC.

 

[Marymog]

FYI....There are married Catholic priest
I have never meet any or read about any or seen any on TV.
So tell us more about them.

Well then, it's settled fact. YOU have never met any or read about any or seen any on TV.

It must be the truth then....