Entire Sanctification = "In Christ"

[ChristisGod]

It’s not storgay love, or philos love.

It’s agape love.

Really ? Are you sure of that ?

5368 philéō (from 5384 /phílos, "affectionate friendship") – properly, to show warm affection in intimate friendship, characterized by tender, heartfelt consideration and kinship.

So below would be accurate :


Jesus: "Peter, do you love Me?"
Peter: "Yes Lord, you know that I love you."

Jesus: "Peter, do you love Me?"
Peter: "Yes Lord, you know that I have intimate friendship, heartfelt affection for you."

Jesus: "Peter, do you love Me?"
Peter: *busted* "Yes Lord, you know that I have intimate friendship, heartfelt affection for you."."


Here is the amplified bible and youngs literal which conveys the meaning.

Amplified Bible
He said to him the third time, “Simon, son of John, do you love Me [with a deep, personal affection for Me, as for a close friend]?” Peter was grieved that He asked him the third time, “Do you [really] love Me [with a deep, personal affection, as for a close friend]?” And he said to Him, “Lord, You know everything; You know that I love You [with a deep, personal affection, as for a close friend].” Jesus said to him, “Feed My sheep.

Young's Literal Translation
He saith to him the third time, 'Simon, son of Jonas, dost thou dearly love me?' Peter was grieved that he said to him the third time, 'Dost thou dearly love me?' and he said to him, 'Lord, thou hast known all things; thou dost know that I dearly love thee.' Jesus saith to him, 'Feed my sheep;


John 5:20 V-PIA-3S
GRK: γὰρ πατὴρ φιλεῖ τὸν υἱὸν
NAS: For the Father loves the Son,
KJV: For the Father loveth the Son, and
INT: indeed [the] Father loves the Son

John 11:3 V-PIA-2S
GRK: ἴδε ὃν φιλεῖς ἀσθενεῖ
NAS: behold, he whom You love is sick.
KJV: behold, he whom thou lovest is sick.
INT: Behold he whom you love is sick

John 11:36 V-IIA-3S
GRK: Ἴδε πῶς ἐφίλει αὐτόν
NAS: See how He loved him!
KJV: Behold how he loved him!
INT: Behold how he loved him

John 12:25 V-PPA-NMS
GRK: ὁ φιλῶν τὴν ψυχὴν
NAS: He who loves his life loses
KJV: He that loveth his life
INT: He that loves the life

John 15:19 V-IIA-3S
GRK: τὸ ἴδιον ἐφίλει ὅτι δὲ
NAS: the world would love its own;
KJV: the world would love his own: but
INT: the own loved because moreover

John 16:27 V-PIA-3S
GRK: ὁ πατὴρ φιλεῖ ὑμᾶς ὅτι
NAS: Himself loves you, because
KJV: the Father himself loveth you, because
INT: the Father loves you because

John 16:27 V-RIA-2P
GRK: ὑμεῖς ἐμὲ πεφιλήκατε καὶ πεπιστεύκατε
NAS: you, because you have loved Me and have believed
KJV: because ye have loved me, and
INT: you me have loved and have believed

John 20:2 V-IIA-3S
GRK: μαθητὴν ὃν ἐφίλει ὁ Ἰησοῦς
NAS: Jesus loved, and said
KJV: whom Jesus loved, and saith
INT: disciple whom loved Jesus

1 Corinthians 16:22 V-PIA-3S
GRK: τις οὐ φιλεῖ τὸν κύριον
NAS: anyone does not love the Lord,
KJV: If any man love not the Lord
INT: anyone not love the Lord

Titus 3:15 V-PPA-AMP
GRK: Ἄσπασαι τοὺς φιλοῦντας ἡμᾶς ἐν
NAS: those who love us in [the] faith.
KJV: thee. Greet them that love us in
INT: greet those who love us in

Revelation 3:19 V-PSA-1S
GRK: ὅσους ἐὰν φιλῶ ἐλέγχω καὶ
NAS: Those whom I love, I reprove
KJV: As many as I love, I rebuke
INT: as many as if I love I rebuke and

hope this helps !!!

 

[MatthewG]

Hi.

There are several definitions of love.

Agape = Gods love that manifest with-in us corinthians 13

 

[Johann]

Christ had joy *in himself* even when he was with joyless enemies. You don't appear to have that.
If you think you can enter into Christian Salvation without any "effort" on your part, then you haven't understood the Gospel. We have to "make the effort" to make a choice," and we have to "make the effort" to follow Christ.

If you don't believe you have to make any effort to follow Christ, who do you make the effort to follow?--your own theology that lacks good works and love?

That isn't the Gospel. That Gospel involves our willful choice to follow Christ. And it includes "making the effort" to follow him. After all, he doesn't do this for us. It's we who choose to follow him and it's we who make the effort to obey him.

You don't think Discipleship includes Sanctification? You seem to have a deficient view of Sanctification? The same Sanctification that we choose to engage in when we choose to follow Christ is the same Sanctification we engage in after we've chosen to follow Christ.

Sanctification is purely our choice to separate ourselves from the world to follow Christ. We do that when we initially choose to leave the world and follow Christ. But we continue to do that after we've chosen to follow Christ. If we choose to follow him, then we must continue to follow him! We must continue to live a life apart from the pagan world and dedicated to Christ.

So you've said without any proof at all. You can't even address 1 John 2! Your theology is deficient and lacks both good works and love. Legalism is the attempt to obtain Salvation apart from Christ by doing good things without him. But you've accused me of being a Legalist even though I've explicitly said we must choose to follow Christ for our Salvation!

To say our Salvation includes the choice to live apart form the pagan world and to live for Christ is *not* Legalism. It is explicitly what the Apostle John taught!

The "Gift" is Christ, along with his Righteousness and Atonement. In accepting this "gift" we accept the responsibility of *following Christ.* This is not self-justification--it is choosing to accept Christ as our Savior.

Your theology is void of good works, obedience, discipleship, and sanctification. And the lack of love shows you lack good fruit, as well. Good Works has been given a bad rap. We need to get back to Good Works that is involved in our choice and effort to follow Christ. It is not, by default, Self-Justification!

Brother-you are coming up against a brick wall, see my posts to @Behold

 

[Michiah-Imla]

philos love

agape love

Much ado about nothing.

These two Greek words are used interchangeably.

[YAWN]

Just another example of vain pedantry…

 

[MatthewG]

I dont believe so.

One is Gods loves.

The rest are all our human ways.

 

[MatthewG]

“If with the tongues of men and of messengers I speak, and have not love, I have become brass sounding, or a cymbal tinkling; and if I have prophecy, and know all the secrets, and all the knowledge, and if I have all the faith, so as to remove mountains, and have not love, I am nothing; and if I give away to feed others all my goods, and if I give up my body that I may be burned, and have not love, I am profited nothing. The love is long-suffering, it is kind, the love doth not envy, the love doth not vaunt itself, is not puffed up, doth not act unseemly, doth not seek its own things, is not provoked, doth not impute evil, rejoiceth not over the unrighteousness, and rejoiceth with the truth; all things it beareth, all it believeth, all it hopeth, all it endureth. The love doth never fail; and whether [there be] prophecies, they shall become useless; whether tongues, they shall cease; whether knowledge, it shall become useless; for in part we know, and in part we prophecy; and when that which is perfect may come, then that which [is] in part shall become useless. When I was a babe, as a babe I was speaking, as a babe I was thinking, as a babe I was reasoning, and when I have become a man, I have made useless the things of the babe; for we see now through a mirror obscurely, and then face to face; now I know in part, and then I shall fully know, as also I was known; and now there doth remain faith, hope, love — these three; and the greatest of these [is] love.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭13‬:‭1‬-‭13‬ ‭YLT98‬‬

1 Corinthians 13:1-13 If with the tongues of men and of messengers I speak, and have not love, I have become brass sounding, or a cymbal tinkling; and if I have prophecy, and know all the secrets, and all the knowledge, an | Young's Literal Translati

If with the tongues of men and of messengers I speak, and have not love, I have become brass sounding, or a cymbal tinkling; and if I have prophecy, and know all the secrets, and all the knowledge, an

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By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”



Love in what way?

Sacrficially, agape love.

 

[Johann]

Much ado about nothing.

These two Greek words are used interchangeably.

[YAWN]

Just another example of vain pedantry…

I don't think so-

There are several words translated into English as "love" from Koinē Greek.

philia - devoted friendship
storgē- strong, loyal family love (cf. Rom. 12:10)
eros - sexual love
mania - obsessive love
lodos - playful love
pragma - long term love
agapē -
Agapē was a rarely used root in classical Greek. The NT authors took this known but unused term and filled it with new meaning. It came to denote God's self-giving, no-strings-attached, covenant love. It is theologically parallel to the Hebrew hesed

The Septuagint (LXX) chose agapē to translate several Hebrew words for "love." The LXX was the Bible for the early church. This root becomes the one used for theological discussion. Paul highlights this term in his writings. It was the love of God and Christ which was the main theological assertion of all his theology. His beautiful discussion on "love" in 1 Corinthians 13 is a classic!

God's love for mankind is fully seen in His sending Jesus (cf. John 3:16; Rom. 5:8; 2 Cor. 5:21). This love is mandated in the Great Commission of the early church (cf. Matt. 28:18-20; Luke 24:46-47; Acts 1:8). The letter of 1 John fully developes this evangelistic mandate into the life of the local church (esp. 1 John 4).

Self-giving love becomes the marker of true, mature Christianity. The influence of the Fall (cf Genesis 3) is fully reversed in NT salvation.

(hesed)

This term (BDB 338 I, KB 336 II) has a wide semantic field.

A. Used in connection to human beings

1. kindness to fellow men (e.g., 1 Sam. 20:14; 2 Sam. 16:17; 2 Chr. 24:22; Job 6:14; Ps. 141:5; Pro. 19:22; 20:6)

2. kindness toward the poor and needy (e.g., Micah 6:8)

3. affection of Israel toward YHWH (cf. Jer. 2:2; Hos. 6:4,6)

4. the temporary beauty of a wild flower (cf. Isa. 40:6)

B. Used in connection to God

1. covenant loyalty and love

a. "in redemption from enemies and troubles" (e.g., Gen. 19:19; 39:21; Exod. 15:13; Ps. 31:16; 32:10; 33:18,22; 36:7,10; 42:8; 44:26; 66:20; 85:7; 90:14; 94:18; 107:8,15,21,31; 109:21-22; 143:8,12; Jer. 31:3; Ezra 7:28; 9:9)

b. "in preservation of life from death" (e.g., Job 10:12; Ps. 6:4-5; 86:13)

c. "in quickening of spiritual life" (e.g., Ps. 119:41,76,88,124,149,159)

d. "in redemption from sin" (cf. Ps. 25:7; 51:1; 130:7-8)

e. "in keeping the covenants" (e.g., Deut. 7:9,12; 2 Chr. 6:14; Neh. 1:5; 9:32; Dan. 9:4; Mic. 7:20)

2. describes a divine attribute (e.g., Exod. 34:6; Ps. 86:15; 103:8; Neh. 9:17; Joel 2:13; Jonah 4:2; Micah 7:20)

3. kindness of God

a. "abundant" (e.g., Num. 14:18; Neh. 9:17; Ps. 86:5; 103:8; 145:8; Joel 2:13; Jer. 4:2)

b. "great in extent" (e.g., Exod. 20:6; Deut. 5:10; 7:9)

c. "everlasting" (e.g., 1 Chr. 16:34,41; 2 Chr. 5:13; 7:3,6; 20:21; Ezra 3:11; Ps. 100:5; 106:1; 107:1; 118:1,2,3,4,29; 136:1-26; 138:8; Jer. 33:11)

d. like a stronghold (e.g., Ps. 59:17)

e. related to God's power (e.g., Ps. 62:11c-12a)

4. deeds of kindness (e.g., 2 Chr. 6:42; Ps. 89:2; Isa. 55:3; 63:7; Lam. 3:22)

This word is translated many ways in English translations. I think the best summary definition would be "God's no-strings-attached covenant loyalty." It is parallel to the NT term "love" (agapaō). God is faithful and loving because of who He is!

 

[Michiah-Imla]

There are several words translated into English as "love" from Koinē Greek.

Try to take a step back from the intellectual rabbit hole.

Listen to the scriptures:

“He saith unto him the THIRD time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest [phileō] thou me?” (John 21:17)

The scriptures included the two previous words “agapaō” in the the THREE mentions of the word “love”.

There’s no difference.

Move on…

 

[Johann]

Try to take a step back from the intellectual rabbit hole.

Listen to the scriptures:

“He saith unto him the THIRD time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest [phileō] thou me?” (John 21:17)

The scriptures included the two previous words “agapaō” in the the THREE mentions of the word “love”.

There’s no difference.

Move on…

Lovest thou me more than these? (agapāis me pleon toutōn). Ablative case of comparison toutōn (disciples) after pleon. Peter had even boasted that he would stand by Christ though all men forsook him (Mar_14:29). We do not know what passed between Jesus and Peter when Jesus first appeared to him (Luk_24:34). But here Christ probes the inmost recesses of Peter’s heart to secure the humility necessary for service.

I love thee (philō su). Peter makes no claim here to superior love and passes by the “more than these” and does not even use Christ’s word agapaō for high and devoted love, but the humbler word phileō for love as a friend. He insists that Christ knows this in spite of his conduct.

Lovest thou me? (agapāis me). This time Jesus drops the pleon toutōn and challenges Peter’s own statement. Peter repeats the same words in reply.

1) "He saith unto him the third time," (legei auto to triton) "He (Jesus) asked him (Simon Peter) personally and directly a third time;" Since Peter had recently denied Him three times, in a similar manner; He pressed upon Peter, leader of these six disciples, the grave privilege and responsibility of His call.

2) "Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me?" (Simon loannou phileis me) "Simon, son of John are you really a friend?" Do you even care for me as a friend? Are you really (Gk. phileis) fond of me, with even a personal love?

3) "Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time," (elupethe ho Petros hoti eipen auto to triton) "Peter was then grieved (deeply moved emotionally) because he (Jesus) said to him a third time," inquired of him for a third time, about an abiding, devout, spiritual love, of Divine nature, which Peter would not affirm.

4) "Lovest thou me?" (phileis me) "Are you a friend to me?" or are you personally fond of me? Since you denied me three times, and have returned to your old secular work?

5) "And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things," (kai eipen auto kurie panta su oidas) "And Peter replied to him, Lord, you know all things," you comprehend all things, as the Son of God, Mat_16:16; Joh_2:24-25; Rev_2:23; 1Sa_16:7.

I'm sure this would be helpful to others, and my own personal relationship with Jesus-in this portion of Scripture. How we can "miss" what really matters.

Enjoy your day.

 

[MatthewG]

I don't think so-

There are several words translated into English as "love" from Koinē Greek.

philia - devoted friendship
storgē- strong, loyal family love (cf. Rom. 12:10)
eros - sexual love
mania - obsessive love
lodos - playful love
pragma - long term love
agapē -
Agapē was a rarely used root in classical Greek. The NT authors took this known but unused term and filled it with new meaning. It came to denote God's self-giving, no-strings-attached, covenant love. It is theologically parallel to the Hebrew hesed

The Septuagint (LXX) chose agapē to translate several Hebrew words for "love." The LXX was the Bible for the early church. This root becomes the one used for theological discussion. Paul highlights this term in his writings. It was the love of God and Christ which was the main theological assertion of all his theology. His beautiful discussion on "love" in 1 Corinthians 13 is a classic!

God's love for mankind is fully seen in His sending Jesus (cf. John 3:16; Rom. 5:8; 2 Cor. 5:21). This love is mandated in the Great Commission of the early church (cf. Matt. 28:18-20; Luke 24:46-47; Acts 1:8). The letter of 1 John fully developes this evangelistic mandate into the life of the local church (esp. 1 John 4).

Self-giving love becomes the marker of true, mature Christianity. The influence of the Fall (cf Genesis 3) is fully reversed in NT salvation.

(hesed)

This term (BDB 338 I, KB 336 II) has a wide semantic field.

A. Used in connection to human beings

1. kindness to fellow men (e.g., 1 Sam. 20:14; 2 Sam. 16:17; 2 Chr. 24:22; Job 6:14; Ps. 141:5; Pro. 19:22; 20:6)

2. kindness toward the poor and needy (e.g., Micah 6:8)

3. affection of Israel toward YHWH (cf. Jer. 2:2; Hos. 6:4,6)

4. the temporary beauty of a wild flower (cf. Isa. 40:6)

B. Used in connection to God

1. covenant loyalty and love

a. "in redemption from enemies and troubles" (e.g., Gen. 19:19; 39:21; Exod. 15:13; Ps. 31:16; 32:10; 33:18,22; 36:7,10; 42:8; 44:26; 66:20; 85:7; 90:14; 94:18; 107:8,15,21,31; 109:21-22; 143:8,12; Jer. 31:3; Ezra 7:28; 9:9)

b. "in preservation of life from death" (e.g., Job 10:12; Ps. 6:4-5; 86:13)

c. "in quickening of spiritual life" (e.g., Ps. 119:41,76,88,124,149,159)

d. "in redemption from sin" (cf. Ps. 25:7; 51:1; 130:7-8)

e. "in keeping the covenants" (e.g., Deut. 7:9,12; 2 Chr. 6:14; Neh. 1:5; 9:32; Dan. 9:4; Mic. 7:20)

2. describes a divine attribute (e.g., Exod. 34:6; Ps. 86:15; 103:8; Neh. 9:17; Joel 2:13; Jonah 4:2; Micah 7:20)

3. kindness of God

a. "abundant" (e.g., Num. 14:18; Neh. 9:17; Ps. 86:5; 103:8; 145:8; Joel 2:13; Jer. 4:2)

b. "great in extent" (e.g., Exod. 20:6; Deut. 5:10; 7:9)

c. "everlasting" (e.g., 1 Chr. 16:34,41; 2 Chr. 5:13; 7:3,6; 20:21; Ezra 3:11; Ps. 100:5; 106:1; 107:1; 118:1,2,3,4,29; 136:1-26; 138:8; Jer. 33:11)

d. like a stronghold (e.g., Ps. 59:17)

e. related to God's power (e.g., Ps. 62:11c-12a)

4. deeds of kindness (e.g., 2 Chr. 6:42; Ps. 89:2; Isa. 55:3; 63:7; Lam. 3:22)

This word is translated many ways in English translations. I think the best summary definition would be "God's no-strings-attached covenant loyalty." It is parallel to the NT term "love" (agapaō). God is faithful and loving because of who He is!

Good information to consider.9

 

[Johann]

Good information to consider.9

Some here don't read-but this is helpful to me, so I'll take @Michiah-Imla advice and "move on-"

 

[Behold]

Brother-you are coming up against a brick wall, see my posts to @Behold

To be honest.....Im not interested in reading any more of your LIST OF WORKS.

You told me a few days ago that you have some confusion and so forth, and that is why you wont hear and just want to post the same thing over and over, as it has you trapped.

But if you want to address this Thread's Topic, according to and regarding the Cross of Christ that submits Jesus as our entire Sanctification.. then thats fine.

1 Corinthians 1 :30

"""""But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption""""

 

[Johann]

To be honest.....Im not interested in reading any more of your LIST OF WORKS.

Which is biblical-and have repeatedly shown you from Scriptures.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Lovest thou me? (agapāis me). This time Jesus drops the pleon toutōn and challenges Peter’s own statement.

Unbiblical commentary.

The subtle enemy of Biblical mattes…

 

[Johann]

Unbiblical commentary.

The subtle enemy of Biblical mattes…

--to your demise-many are here to learn and come to a deeper epignosis in Christ, if you have stopped learning and know it all, well done, you have "arrived" and no need to STUDY the Scriptures to show yourself a man approved, righty cutting straight the D'var of YHVH.

Have a good day and don't waste my time.

 

[Behold]

Which is biblical-and have repeatedly shown you from Scriptures.

You are determined to teach that your lawkeeping is your savior.

Its not mine.

You have an obsession with LAW, instead of with the Cross.

You need to get that worked out, and when you do, you wont be always talking about law and sin and works, as you'll find that you are talking about Christ and Grace., when your understanding of "not under the Law" becomes a revelation to you.

 

[MatthewG]

Haters gonna hate.

 

[Johann]

You are determined to teach that your lawkeeping is your savior.

Its not mine.

You have an obsession with LAW, instead of with the Cross.

You need to get that worked out, and when you do, you wont be always talking about law and sin and works, as you'll find that you are talking about Christ and Grace., when your understanding of "not under the Law" becomes a revelation to you.

How does Christian freedom relate to Christian responsibility?
Is everything in nature "clean" or morally neutral (Rom. 14:14, 20)?
Why was the question of food so important at Corinth (cf. 1 Cor. 8, 10), remember Paul wrote Romans from Corinth?
Explain the relationship between knowledge, freedom, and love in this chapter.
On what should we base fellowship in the church?
On what do we base our individual choices and actions?
How do our actions affect others? What does this demand of us?
How do we determine proper Christian ethics?
Is it possible for mature Christians to disagree and both be acceptable to God?

 

[MatthewG]

Love is what makes you a christian.

Agape is the best form of love because God is that love.

God Is Love​

7 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God. 8 Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love.9 In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him. 10 In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. 11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.12 No one has ever seen God; if we love one another, God abides in us and his love is perfected in us.

13 By this we know that we abide in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit. 14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. 15 Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God. 16 So we have come to know and to believe the love that God has for us. God is love, and whoever abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him. 17 By this is love perfected with us, so that we may have confidence for the day of judgment, because as he is so also are we in this world.18 There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.19 We love because he first loved us. 20 If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot[a] love God whom he has not seen. 21 And this commandment we have from him: whoever loves God must also love his brother.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

to your demise-many are here to learn and come to a deeper epignosis in Christ

More like:

“Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.” (2 Timothy 3:7)

if you have stopped learning and know it all, well done, you have "arrived"

Well when does this ever happen these days around here:

“Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ…” (Ephesians 4:13)