Michiah-Imla
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“If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.” (Luke 14:26)
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“If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.” (Luke 14:26)
Johann
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Johann
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Good-do you hate your father, mother, wife and children?
Michiah-Imla
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Johann
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Wouldn't go to that extreme-we are all in various stages of our growth in Christ, yes?
Depends on if they are a hater or not.
How can you say you love God and hate your brother?
Johann
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Just answer the question-do you hate father, mother, wife and children as per the Scripture quotation you gave me?
Michiah-Imla
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“Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.” (1 John 2:15)
Figure it out man.
Michiah-Imla
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The obvious implication is one must sacrifice all things that get in the way of your loyalty to Christ.
the first comment made here that
Agape love and other loves were the same.
Truth is there is God who is love whom expresses agape love. Its a spiritual love.
Not earthly.
And just because people want to battle scripture doesnt mean
Anything.
Cause who has authority?
God, last time i checked.
Agape love and other loves were the same.
Truth is there is God who is love whom expresses agape love. Its a spiritual love.
Not earthly.
And just because people want to battle scripture doesnt mean
Anything.
Cause who has authority?
God, last time i checked.
Johann
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Is this how you see it? This is not a Church, this is an online Forum-you can't see me and I can't see you-and asking questions is not "hatred" for your "brother whom you don't know"
amigo de christo
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Due to the teachings of seeker friendly and the all inclusive you wont be seeing true unity under true faith in many places .
How can there be true unity of THE FAITH with those who would teach another gospel .
So long as hereticks are lovers of sin and those who embrace their sins are allowed to remain uncorrected
there will always be strifes and battles . But worse what ends up happening is
folks , for sake of unity , begin to only teach common ground things like doing good works .
While doing good works is not evil to teach , THE OVERLOOKING OF DOCTRINE IS EVIL .
It has caused places to leaven up to the full .
Lambs must simply gather with lambs who love the LORD , loving ER WORD HE ever spoke .
This other unity stuff that many now preach is a UNITY that overlooks serious and deadly doctrinal differences
to OBTAIN UNITY .
IT has long forgotten the true mark of the Church .
MARK those who cause divisions CONTRARY TO THE DOCTRINE YE LEARNED
and has replaced it with MARK those who causes divisions by sound doctrine
Do you see what has occured within the realm . THEY are now going after those who
THEY THINK are causing divisions and in the way for this unity for a we are one world for peace and safety .
IN other words they allow sins , and doctrines that are super deadly to REMAIN IN THE CHURCHES .
THEY DO So thinking it dont really matter anymore so long as we just come together and do some good works .
But it does MATTER . The churches that have done this have indeed come together , they do have unity ,
BUT IT AINT UNDER GOD OR HIS CHRIST . Its under something else entirely that now even omits
the dire need to believe on CHRIST to be saved and now it teaches just find common ground with all religions .
And more and more the one true gospel is becoming hated , seen as divisions and in the way for unity .
DO YOU SEE what is happening . ITS BAD NEWS . Lambs must simply contend for the true faith
teaching all things GOD inspired , Christ taught , later the apostels taught . THOSE WHOSE LOVE
is For GOD and HIS CHRIST above all , above mother , father , husband , wife
will not sell out GOD nor HIS CHRIST for the sake of anything .
Rather they will teach n preach truth at all costs and they will have unity with those who do and love the same .
amigo de christo
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When truth is said , when error gets corrected , those whose sins and errors are exposed
will often call this hate . But it is not us who hate . They hate their sin and erros being exposed .
Judge not is taken out of text
Love your neighbor as yourself has been taken out of text .
And the love they now preach is a love that cometh NOT OF GOD .
But is of the world . It is sensual , devilsh and it will embrace and honor error and sin .
And if one dares to correct them , THEY see them as self righteous pharisees .
And we can ill afford to conform to their pattern . For what has this judge not pattern , this correct not error pattern
truly led them too . TOTAL LEAVEN in the houses and churches . Leaven is not one for traveling the lone road
without company . Once the door is opened and little leaven enters in , HE WHISTLES BEHIND HIM
and brings MANY MORE FRIENDS RIGHT INTO THAT CHURCH . IN other words
If leaven aint corrected , BEWARE a little leaven can and will surely leaven the whole lump .
All holy and pure sound doctrine must continue to stay at the forefront .
teaching and reminding and strirring one another up daily with the pure and holy reminders in the scriptures .
Johann
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Eph 4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
Eph 4:15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
Eph 4:16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
Eph 4:17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,
Eph 4:18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
Eph 4:19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.
Eph 4:20 But ye have not so learned Christ;
Eph 4:21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
Eph 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
Eph 4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
Eph 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Eph 4:25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.
Eph 4:26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
Eph 4:27 Neither give place to the devil.
Eph 4:28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.
Eph 4:29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Eph 4:31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
Eph 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
We can make a correct judgement based on the outward expression given in words-whether they be from God, Christ, the Holy Spirit or "self"
good to hear from you brother
Johann.
Paul says..."use not your Liberty for an occasion to the Flesh".
Use not your born again status, as "Under Grace" "made free from sin"... to choose to live carnally.
Paul teaches.."to the person who esteems anything as sin, then to them, it is sin"
So, "use not your understanding of God's Grace that frees you from Sin, to cause someone who is weak in faith, to do what harms their conscience, even tho it would not harm yours".
Paul said.."all things are Lawful to me, but not all things are expedient".
1 Timothy 4:4-5
4 : """"For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving.
5: for IT = is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
Knowledge that is the "Renewed mind" is ... "the Knowledge of God" which means that our mind and God's perspective of US as born again, a New Creation in Christ....., is the same mind.
Freedom "in Christ" is to become "made free from sin"... "servants of Righteousness', "not under the Law, but under Grace"
We are freed from the world system, and we are to "present our body as a living sacrifice to God" always, every waking moment.
All the born again are "one body of Christ".....so we are all joined together by becoming "In Christ' as one "temple of the Holy Spirit"
Paul's doctrine
Our renewed conscious.
The word of God.
The Holy Spirit's direction.
We are to """abstain from the appearance of evil.""""
We are to be as holy in behavior when we are alone and no one is looking, as we are when you go to church or post on a forum, etc, etc.
We are to walk the walk of discipleship, always knowing that in us is Christ.
So, what we do, is understand .... that He is right there also when we do what we do......, and we are to have this understanding,.
Paul
Christ's commandments
Our renewed conscience.
God's moral law.
Paul had a "brother in the Lord" and they had a disagreement about MARK, that was so violent, that they parted and never did the Bible show us that this was resolved between Paul and Barnabas.
Later, about 20+ yrs later, Paul brought Mark into His ministry and used Him, but not when Barnabas wanted Him to do it.
"can any two walk together, unless they be agreed"?
A.) not for long.
amigo de christo
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In the sense that JESUS meant this . YES . The same JESUS also said we are to love our enemies .
This simply means , PUT NOTHING BEFORE GOD and HIS CHRIST . LOVE HIM ABOVE ALL .
THEN your neighbor as yourself . Do not love humanity MORE THAN GOD .
LOVE GOD , LOVE HIS CHRIST FIRST , ABOVE ALL . The true agape love that honors GOD in ALL IT DOES
and from that love one can see clearly how to love his neighbor .
Christ on the Cross is what 'Makes you a Christian", if you are born again.
Love is how you behave as becoming one.
Johann
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