Entire Sanctification = "In Christ"

[Behold]

Israel was told to "sanctify themselves," which means that it is our job,

Lev 20.7 “‘Consecrate yourselves and be holy, because I am the Lord your God. 8 Keep my decrees and follow them. I am the Lord, who makes you holy."

1 Tim 4.4 For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5 because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.

You can sit in a cave, in a mountain, reading a Bible, but, that is not the same as "being in the world but not OF IT".

See that "OF IT"......that is the sanctification that is to be "in Christ".. 1 Corinthians 1:30


The Born again are a "peculiar people zealous of good works"... and that is nothing like the evil world that is greed, and wants to live in evil, zealous of Sinning.

ALSO..... Paul talking about eating FOOD in 1 Tim 4.. and now you have taught us your Cult's Teaching that this eating food versed you posted, is the body of Christ and Israel in the NT, regarding sanctification.

Humm.
That's kinda bizarre theology, and im being nice, about it.

 

[Jim B]

There's a lot of truth in what you shared. However, I'll say it my own way, which you likely will agree with.

We receive the gift of Christ's righteousness, which by grace is viewed by God as spotless. We obtain, as a free gift, the flawless record of Christ's life.

By contrast, the record of our own life, even with obedience and discipleship, is flawed. We would be discarded from the Kingdom of God for even one sin if not for the fact we have received, by gift of Christ, his own record of righteousness, which is sinless.

But Christ's sinless record would never be obtained by us if not for the fact we have repented of living life on our own, in our own way, and have accepted Christ's spiritual life as the proper way to live. And doing this, we must display Christ's actual righteous life in our own lives, to show that our choice is sincere and valid.

The net result of this is that we still live flawed lives in the present age. But in obtaining Christ's sinless record, we are constantly cleansed, as we confess our sins, and cannot never be separated from the love of God displayed at the cross of Christ. In accepting Christ we have obtained Eternal Life, and not even our imperfections can separate us from the hope of resurrection to immortality.

Obviously, it is important to maintain this Sanctified Life. Our imperfections can be forgiven. But if we are to be good witnesses to Christ's love on behalf of others, we will succeed in this only if we live obedient lives.

Great post!!

 

[Behold]

The problem is, brother, that your message is always *YOU.* It's all about how people treat YOU.

Not at all Randy.
For example, when i talk to you, i talk about your teaching and your post.
You talk about me..... just read your quote.

And if you read This Thread.........it does not contain "me".
If you read my posts, .... they talk about The Cross or Being Delivered from bad theology, or they talk to the Poster about their bad thology, or the Teach the NT..

If i write a post that describes my personal history, and ive written 3, then of course that is my Testimony, and so, i have to include myself in it, of course.

 

[Lizbeth]

My Thread is teaching that by being in Christ we are sanctified by Him...

So, "confessing sin to your pew partner, is not going to sanctify you, but if you're lucky they will tell 20 church members, who will tell, 20 more, and by the time you go back next Sunday, even the Pastor's Dog will know what you did.

So, you need to keep your "faults" to yourself, most of the time, or you'll end up being the "gossip"

That's how Christians behave in the real world we live in .
So, you have to use some wisdom before you put your secrets out there for people to use against you.

Think.

Walking in the light, as He is in the light. Being honest and transparent. I guess for more sensitive issues, you would want to choose your friends carefully.

 

[Randy Kluth]

You can sit in a cave, in a mountain, reading a Bible, but, that is not the same as "being in the world but not OF IT".

See that "OF IT"......that is the sanctification that is to be "in Christ".. 1 Corinthians 1:30


The Born again are a "peculiar people zealous of good works"... and that is nothing like the evil world that is greed, and wants to live in evil, zealous of Sinning.

ALSO..... Paul talking about eating FOOD in 1 Tim 4.. and now you have taught us your Cult's Teaching that this eating food versed, is body of Christ and Israel in the NT, regarding sanctification.

Humm.
That's kinda bizarre, and im being nice.

No, you're obviously *not* being "nice!" I don't know why you're trying to share with me about being "in the world but not of it?" I learned this a very long time ago. It is, for me, elementary teaching, and is not part of the discussion at all.

However, discussing 1 Tim 4 is perhaps worthwhile. My point is that we can *do* something, which you seem intent on proving only Christ does, leaving anything we "do" out of the equation? We ask God for food, and He supplies the food, rendering it "from Him." Because it is "from Him," it is acceptable and holy. It is not contaminated by our taking the food in a carnal way, by self-will or out of lust.

There is a role we play in our sanctification, and it is by cooperating with the Holy Spirit in setting ourselves apart from pagan practices. You should know this. Christ sanctifies us, and therefore we can also sanctify ourselves by setting ourselves apart from things that separate us from Christ. Both elements are part of the same and both are necessary.

Referring to "my Cult" is, however, unnecessary and, I feel, "unsanctified." It is not something you got from Christ, in my opinion.

 

[Lizbeth]

Are you "backsliding Israel"
Are the members here "backsliding Israel"?

Then before you point this Old Testament verse against the New Testament "Body of Christ', maybe you need to think first.
Always Think before you post.
Its a great idea, Lizbeth.

"only acknowledge your sin"......I hear the Lord pleading with His people to only acknowledge their sin instead of hiding it or trying to justify it. If we sin shouldn't we likewise acknowledge and confess it? The Lord doesn't change...He is the same yesterday, today and forever.

 

[Behold]

Making sly remarks like "get in line fella" is unseemly,

Well, if you abuse my Thread(s) with your cult theology, or if you insult me with your carnal post that are Your opinions, then expect a response that is going to help you understand what you need to know.
And when i told you to "get in line" i was not being inconsistent with my personal experience here on this Forum.
I was being honest.

 

[Johann]

Salvation is Jesus on the Cross.

--and Jesus resurrected brother

 

[Behold]

"only acknowledge your sin"......

Lisbeth...

Speak for yourself, don't speak for me.
If you have that SIN issue, as you are so SIN MINDED in your posts..... then dont come to my Thread and project your sin issue on me, or the other member's here.
Who do you think you are to be doing that?
Are you Episkopos now? Claiming that we are all dirt, ignorant, not saved, lost, and out of God's will and theologically blind?
Are you the female Episkopos? Is that your Ministry?
Then take it to your Thread.... Lisbeth, dont bring it to us on my Thread.

Now....The born again are to acknowledge that "God hath made Jesus to be sin for us".....and that "Jesus is the one time Eternal Sacrifice for Sin"

The Born again are to acknowledge that "now being made free from sin, we are become servants to Righteousness"

The Born again are to acknowledge that "Christ is the end of the Law, for Righteousness"

The Born again are to acknowledge that we are "not under the law, but under Grace"

The born again are to Acknowledge that 'God was in Christ not counting sin against us".

The born again are to Acknowledge that ".."As Jesus IS.....so are the born again IN THIS WORLD".

The born again are to ACKNOWLEDGE that "where sin abounds, GRACE MORE ABOUNDS".

Ready?
Are you ready?

 

[Behold]

--and Jesus resurrected brother

The resurrection is the proof that when Jesus said....>"it it Finished".....from the Cross, He was telling the truth by walking out of that Tomb.

However, The blood and the death, is what paid for your sin, not the resurrection.

"without the shedding of BLOOD, there is no forgiveness of Sin" and Christ didnt shed blood for your sin in the Resurrection.

He shed His blood and died for your sin, on the Cross.

The Resurrection proves that Jesus "is the one time ETERNAL SACRIFICE for our SIN".

The Resurrection proves that "God hath made Jesus to be sin for us"...

That's the Cross of Christ, where that was accomplished.

 

[Lizbeth]

Well, Lisbeth, as Jesus isn't here today to wash our feet, i guess we'll just have to believe that His Blood, His Cross, and His Death, and the washing of the water of the Word, is going to get us through....is going to get us to Heaven.

I BELIEVE it will, forever., as the "Preaching of the Cross" when revealed as "faith comes by hearing" is going to bring Salvation, every single time... , as "Grace Through Faith".

Oh yes, He sure is here to wash our feet and we are to wash one another's feet as well. Jesus gave us this instruction at the Passover when He ordained communion. It's an opportunity to examine ourselves in the light of the Lord, confess, repent and be forgiven and cleansed. We are every whit clean but in spite of that, still need to have our feet washed from time to time as we have need, and bring any sins to the cross as we remember His sacrifice.

 

[Behold]

Oh yes, He sure is here to wash our feet and we are to wash one another's feet as well. Jesus gave us this instruction at the Passover when He ordained communion.

If you wash Episkopos's feet, and take communion, and give your life to the poor street orphans, in India.... but you are not born again, are you Sanctified?
Will you go to Heaven?

Why not?

 

[Lizbeth]

If you wash Episkopos's feet, and take communion, and give your life to the poor street orphans, in India.... but you are not born again, are you Sanctified?
Will you go to Heaven?

Why not?

Those were Jesus' instructions to believers...to those who do know Him, not to those who don't know Him.

 

[Ritajanice]

You can sit in a cave, in a mountain, reading a Bible, but, that is not the same as "being in the world but not OF IT".

See that "OF IT"......that is the sanctification that is to be "in Christ".. 1 Corinthians 1:30


The Born again are a "peculiar people zealous of good works"... and that is nothing like the evil world that is greed, and wants to live in evil, zealous of Sinning.

AMEN!!

 

[Randy Kluth]

Not at all Randy.
For example, when i talk to you, i talk about your teaching and your post.
You talk about me..... just read your quote.

And if you read This Thread.........it does not contain "me".
If you read my posts, .... they talk about The Cross or Being Delivered from bad theology, or they talk to the Poster about their bad thology, or the Teach the NT..

If i write a post that describes my personal history, and ive written 3, then of course that is my Testimony, and so, i have to include myself in it, of course.

It is still about YOU. Are you unable to discuss biblical matters without bringing up personal matters that amplify and extol you and your own beliefs? Of course you believe certain things. Of course you can give your personal testimony--I like that. However, in the context of debate you make everything too personal. I think you know what I mean?

 

[Randy Kluth]

...my Thread.

Please quit the sanctimonious "my Thread" business! These are public threads meant to be responded to. Sure, you've designed the thread to go a certain direction, and that should not be short-circuited. But really--"YOUR Thread?" It sounds as if you wish to create the question and then determine what answers should fit the them *as you see it?*

 

[Randy Kluth]

--and Jesus resurrected brother

Too true, and that is the whole point I wished to make, as well. Behold seems to want everything involving Salvation to revolve back upon Christ's Cross in the past, completely ignoring our role in accepting that work and our role afterwards in obeying Christ.

 

[marks]

For example, when Paul listed the various forms of human wickedness in 1 Timothy 1:8-10, he explicitly asserted, "We know that the law is good" (verse 8).

Continue the quote there . . .

1 Timothy 1:8-11 KJV
8) But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
9) Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10) For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
11) According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

So then the Law was not given for Jesus, Himself being righteous already. Can we rightfully say it was given for those who have been made righteous in Christ? For me, the answer is no, it was not. These, for me, harmonizes with those passages like, we are dead to the Law.

I just don't see how, as we are in Christ, that our lives are governed by the Law.

Much love!

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Are you trying to be rude, brother? Mormonism and JW-ism is Christian cultism. I was raised a Lutheran and became Charismatic and later Assemblies of God Pentecostal. Because of my Lutheran background, I do not accept all Pentecostal teaching uncritically. I do not accept any denominational teaching uncritically. My favorite theologians I do not accept uncritically. That doesn't make me a "Mormon!"

Even “Mormons” don’t accept things uncritically. A person being thoughtful in their faith and investigating is always a good thing. Mocking on the other hand shows a lack of thought. No Christian of any denomination needs that.

 

[marks]

Define Christian "love" for me?

I'd like to!

The heartfelt and committed concern and care for another person's wellbeing that comes from God to fill our hearts, and motivates us to help others.

Much love!