The Two Witnesses Will Appear in the Next New Moon

[EclipseEventSigns]

Again - it was ONE of the documents they used in the KJV translation. So???

You don't understand the conversation. Don't interrupt the conversation if you haven't read the thread.

 

[Earburner]

It's hard to determine anything you believe. It's all gobbledegook and verbal diarhea.

I am not surprised.
1Cor.2
[14] But the natural man [our fleshly mind] receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

 

[EclipseEventSigns]

I've read much of it. Your KJV only mindset throws a wrench in everything. The KJV was completed in 1611 – almost a century after Erasmus composed his first edition of the Textus Receptus in 1516.

MY KJV mindset? Mine? I categorically reject KJV onlyism completely. You obviously did not read the thread at all.

 

[Mr E]

Sorry, I mistook you for the burner on the KJV only-ism.

(Well that’s embarrassing)

 

[Earburner]

To all that are reading and posting about the authenticity of the TR Greek, please know that God's thoughts of His Spirit Being, ARE FAR BEYOND His usage of the limited words and definitions of all our languages. KJV Isa. 55:8-9.
Just let that digest a bit, before launching in attack mode.

Now, let God's Holy Spirit think this through for you: KJV Luke 19:35-40
[39] And some of the Pharisees from among the multitude said unto him, Master, rebuke thy disciples.
[40] And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these [disciples] should hold their peace, the "stones" [G3037] would immediately cry out. [being the destruction of the temple building and/or individuals of Israel].

In the next following verse, think on why Jesus wept, and what was the loss to them*, as well as God:
[41] And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,
*Luke 19:42-44
Evidently, and most likely, it WASN'T the temple building, or the literal city buildings that Jesus wept over.

Just in those scriptures alone, we can see how our limited human mind attempts to understand the stones as being literal huge blocks or small pieces of stone.
However, in the mind of God, through Christ, He was seeing PEOPLE of faith in the "Promise to come", who to Him are "precious stones", aka "gem stones", such as Simeon and Nathanael.

So then, it's NOT the literal words of our languages that discern and convey God's meaning of our own words to us, but rather "by My Spirit". KJV Zech. 4:6.

 

[Earburner]

Enoch and Elijah;
The Bible says...it is appointed unto man once to die.
Neither have died a physical death.......i am inclined to conclude.

Referencing Zech. 4:14, you might want to view my understanding of the two witnesses in page #16, post #308.

As for Moses, Enoch, Elijah or any other worthy Saint, who were supposedly at Jesus' transfiguration, you might want to consider that Jesus did say exactly what the disciples WOULD SEE.
John 1
[51] And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.

EDIT 1: moving forward to Rev. 11[3] And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

No one ever stops to think that the book of Rev. is not all future. It's about the past, present and the future.
Only God, from His Eternity, is able to think in the past, present and the future, all at the same time. Therefore, we must be willing to entertain the three manifestations of Jesus.
1. In the flesh (birth).
2. In His Spirit (Pentecost, to this day).
3. In the Glory of His Immortality (His return).

The first manifestation of Jesus was kept secret by God from the foundation of the world.
As a result, when God prophesied through the OT prophets, none of them knew in which of Jesus' three manifestations their words would be fulfilled. Today, we can readily perceive and know by God's Holy Spirit, that which is fulfilled, is being fulfilled, and what shall be fulfilled.
Edit 2: see my post (forward) #355

 

[gpresdo]

Referencing Zech. 4:14, you might want to view my understanding of the two witnesses in page #16, post #308.

As for Moses, Enoch, Elijah or any other worthy Saint, who were supposedly at Jesus' transfiguration, you might want to consider that Jesus did say exactly what the disciples WOULD SEE.
John 1
[51] And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.

EDIT: moving forward to Rev. 11[3] And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

No one ever stops to think that the book of Rev. is not all future. It's about the past, present and the future.
Only God, from His Eternity, is able to think in the past, present and the future, all at the same time. Therefore, we must be willing to entertain the three manifestations of Jesus.
1. In the flesh (birth).
2. In His Spirit (Pentecost, to this day).
3. In the Glory of His Immortality (His return).

The first manifestation of Jesus was kept secret by God from the foundation of the world.
As a result, when God prophesied through the OT prophets, none of them knew in which of Jesus' three manifestations their words would be fulfilled. Today, we can readily perceive and know by God's Holy Spirit, that which is fulfilled, is being fulfilled, and what shall be fulfilled.

I did and considered the anointed point.
I fail to see any correlation of being anointed or not tied with the 2 witnesses.

 

[ewq1938]

No one ever stops to think that the book of Rev. is not all future. It's about the past, present and the future.

The overwhelming majority of people know that. It's never been "no one" or remotely close to that.

Only God, from His Eternity, is able to think in the past, present and the future, all at the same time. Therefore, we must be willing to entertain the three manifestations of Jesus.
1. In the flesh (birth).
2. In His Spirit (Pentecost, to this day).
3. In the Glory of His Immortality (His return).

The first manifestation of Jesus was kept secret by God from the foundation of the world.

As a result, when God prophesied through the OT prophets, none of them knew in which of Jesus' three manifestations their words would be fulfilled. Today, we can readily perceive and know by God's Holy Spirit, that which is fulfilled, is being fulfilled, and what shall be fulfilled.

The two prophets are killed and Jesus is immortal so he cannot be one of them plus the two prophets arrive long before the second coming so additional proof Jesus isn't one of them.

 

[Earburner]

The two prophets are killed and Jesus is immortal so he cannot be one of them plus the two prophets arrive long before the second coming so additional proof Jesus isn't one of them.

The overwhelming majority of people know that. It's never been "no one" or remotely close to that.

Evidently, you don't agree that the book of Rev. (written 96 AD.) speaks of the past, present and future, even though you say the majority of people know that.

When Jesus, being one of the two witnesses was crucified, he was mortal at that time.

 

[ewq1938]

Evidently, you don't agree that the book of Rev. (written 96 AD.) speaks of the past, present and future, even though you say the majority of people know that.

No, it's only evident you aren't reading what was posted correctly.

When Jesus, being one of the two witnesses was crucified, he was mortal at that time.

The two prophets are killed together, lay together dead for 3.5 days then resurrect together. That doesn't match John and Jesus who died years apart and did not lay dead in the streets of Jerusalem for days. Why in the world would you disregard all those facts for this ridiculous interpretation that doesn't match Rev 11 at all?

 

[Earburner]

No, it's only evident you aren't reading what was posted correctly.




The two prophets are killed together, lay together dead for 3.5 days then resurrect together. That doesn't match John and Jesus who died years apart and did not lay dead in the streets of Jerusalem for days. Why in the world would you disregard all those facts for this ridiculous interpretation that doesn't match Rev 11 at all?

In case you hadn't noticed, in regards to the prophecies of the prophets in the OT., none of them were physically manifested 100% verbatim, and often were in a large degree to be understood spiritually.

 

[ewq1938]

In case you hadn't noticed, in regards to the prophecies of the prophets in the OT., none of them were physically manifested 100% verbatim, and often were in a large degree to be understood spiritually.

That's no excuse for direct contradiction of prophecy. The death and reurrection of the two prophets does not match what you claim. They haven't died yet and that part of Rev 11 is still future unfulfilled prophecy.

 

[Earburner]

No, it's only evident you aren't reading what was posted correctly.

Earburner wrote in post #350:
No one ever stops to think that the book of Rev. is not all future. It's about the past, present and the future.

ewq 1938 replied in post #352:
"The overwhelming majority of people know that. It's never been "no one" or remotely close to that".

EB's reply now: I quote you: "the overwhelming majority of people know that."
I now ask: They know what?
Ans. "The book of Rev. is not all future...."
I'm very sure I read "correctly" of what you wrote and what you meant.

 

[Earburner]

That's no excuse for direct contradiction of prophecy. The death and reurrection of the two prophets does not match what you claim. They haven't died yet and that part of Rev 11 is still future unfulfilled prophecy.

According to which of the three manifestations of Jesus? Are you SURE about your stand, in light of my (edited>)posts #346 and 355?

Why do you think the Pharisees were so confused over Jesus. According to their thinking by "the wisdom of men", Jesus wasn't fulfilling prophecy verbatim.
The results, they missed the time of their visitation. Church-ianity is doing the same thing, as did the Pharisees.

 

[Earburner]

The first manifestation of Jesus was kept secret by God from the foundation of the world.

That is thoroughly understood by Jesus' words, and also the Apostles words.
The mystery of the Grace of God, the Promise of which was to come, came.

However, not all of OT prophecy was fulfilled then concerning Jesus. By and large, church-ianity neglects, overlooks and even ignores the 2nd manifestation of Jesus by His Spirit, which since Pentecost, is still taking place today, by the words of Rev. 3:20.
John 5
[39] Search the [OT] scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
> In all three of His manifestations!!
Edited: see my post #346.

 

[Earburner]

No, it's only evident you aren't reading what was posted correctly.




The two prophets are killed together, lay together dead for 3.5 days then resurrect together. That doesn't match John and Jesus who died years apart and did not lay dead in the streets of Jerusalem for days. Why in the world would you disregard all those facts for this ridiculous interpretation that doesn't match Rev 11 at all?

The ministry of John the Baptist and Jesus was a joint ministry. Therefore, the 1260 days of their ministry is totaled: 6 months for John and 3 years for Jesus, equalling 1260 days, or 42 months or 3.5 years, which correctly fulfills the first half of the 70th week in Daniel 9 of when "Messiah is cut off" in the midst of the 70th week.
But after His resurrection, He fufilled the remaining part of that 70th week, by His Spirit, confirming the [New] covenant with the early church.

Edit: Born again Christians today, need a thorough "house cleaning" about Daniel 9 and the 70 weeks, by the KJV, through "the mind of Christ that is within them".
Church-ianity is corrupted to the core by "the wisdom of men".

 

[Earburner]

That's no excuse for direct contradiction of prophecy. The death and reurrection of the two prophets does not match what you claim. They haven't died yet and that part of Rev 11 is still future unfulfilled prophecy.

They haven't died yet??
No person in the OT could have total forgiveness of sins, or ascend into heaven UNTIL the blood of Christ was shed.
If there was anything that God could do for them during their life time, it was that their names were written in the "book of remembrance". Malachi 3:16

 

[Earburner]

I did and considered the anointed point.
I fail to see any correlation of being anointed or not tied with the 2 witnesses.

You don't perceive it because "the wisdom of men" in/of church-ianity have set it up in the mind of our "natural man", that they are correct, and the teachings of "the mind of Christ", His Holy Spirit within us, is wrong.
KJV 1 Cor. 2:5, 12-14 (preferably, study all of 1 Cor. 2)
Edit: of all people in all generations , the only two witnesses that had the Holy Spirit anointing at birth, was John and Jesus.

 

[gpresdo]

You don't perceive it because "the wisdom of men" in/of church-ianity have set it up in the mind of our "natural man", that they are correct, and the teachings of "the mind of Christ", His Holy Spirit within us, is wrong.
KJV 1 Cor. 2:5, 12-14 (preferably, study all of 1 Cor. 2)
Edit: of all people in all generations , the only two witnesses that had the Holy Spirit anointing at birth, was John and Jesus.

Thank you but, I stay with scripture.

 

[Earburner]

Thank you but, I stay with scripture.

Well, so did the Pharisees with their form of "wisdom of men". What went wrong with them, that caused them to MISS the day of THEIR visitation?

Try again, but this time let KJV 1 Cor. 2:5, 12-14 (preferably, study all of 1 Cor. 2) digest within you by the Lord's Holy Spirit, that is within you.

Here is a test to test yourself with:
Mat. 10
[30] But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
Remember, Jesus knows the exact number EVERY day, no matter what age you are at.
Q. Is Jesus counting the hairs of your head from the outside, or is He counting them from the inside?
A. Rev. 3:20, Rom. 8:8-9.