If all children go to Heaven and if Hell is forever then it seems that it's GOOD when children die, right?

[Jack]

Everyone went to hell.

And if Jesus still has not come back, they are still there.

You gotta understand also that Hell is not a "PLACE OF FIRE" as people say.

It's more cold there than anything as it is - seperated from God,

There is Paradise and also the Prison part.

Children probably went to the Paradise part, I mean back in they (Jewish peoples) taught children to praise the name of God.

Matthew 21:16 Amplified Bible (AMP)
and they said to Him, “Do You hear what these children are saying?” And Jesus replied to them, “Yes; have you never read [in the Scripture], 'OUT OF THE MOUTHS OF INFANTS AND NURSING BABIES YOU HAVE PREPARED and PROVIDED PRAISE FOR YOURSELF'?”

How long did it take you to make all this up? lol

 

[Jack]

@Jack,

I dont believe hell is around anymore like some people. Jesus overcame this place, and it was thrown away after all the souls were dumped out of it, good or bad.

People are resurrected and go to the heavenly realm now, either inside the Kingdom or outside of the Kingdom.

There are people that will say they became a Christian at 5 years old and ever since been following God, today. I have heard it many times. God is fair, and I trust that he is fair and those who have been called out to and people reject, he is fair to give them what they want as well.

What an imagination!

 

[MatthewG]

Thank you for giving me credit for my imagination, Jack.

 

[Jack]

Yes, Jack. It is SICK. Now maybe you can understand.

Understand what?

 

[St. SteVen]

Jesus also promises to those who believe, "you and your household will be saved".

That's an interesting point. Reminds me of the Philippian jailer.
I don't recall it as a promise of Jesus though.

 

[Jack]

That's an interesting point. Reminds me of the Philippian jailer.
I don't recall it as a promise of Jesus though.

Acts 16: 31 Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you'll be saved, you and your family!

 

[Lambano]

That's an interesting point. Reminds me of the Philippian jailer.
I don't recall it as a promise of Jesus though.

Besides the Philippian Jailer, there's also this head-scratcher from 1 Corinthians 7:14:

14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband; for otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy.

Of course, the children of unbelievers still get toasted in this paradigm.

As an aside, I'm told the family salvation promise is one of the reasons Mormon are into genealogy: To find out who in their family they're saving. Maybe some of our Mormon members here (Jane Doe?) could confirm that?

 

[Triumph1300]

Calvinism says God burns babies.

I don't care what Calvinism says.
What God says is important,.

 

[dev553344]

And who were those children specifically? They were Jews, brought up with the belief in God and coming to Him. The message to us is to come to God in humility and those who do are taken in.
But almost children do not come to Jesus!
A good tree produces good fruit and a bad tree, bad fruit. Likewise, reprobate godless folks will not hear His voice, will not come to Him, nor their children ( dor they are bad fruit).
The Bible hammers the concept of a conditional salvation, based on belief in Jesus. GRACE through FAITH IN Jesus. Jesus says if you believe in Me, you will be saved. And conversely those who do not ... the wrath of God abides in them (and their children). Jesus also promises to those who believe, "you and your household will be saved".
Did Jesus condemn the Pharisees? Do you think He spared their children? Imo, I do not think he did, unless those children rejected their father's and followed Jesus. Likely, I think nothing that the Pharisees held dear was saved. "White washed tombs" ... " brood of vipers', he called them ... and their baby vipers as well.
We spread the gospel so that people can hear the Word, receive forgiveness and be saved. Did he save all the children of the reprobate world in the Flood? No. I think for some reason, people think children are more valuable then grown ups to God? Why? Less corrupted, more innocent? That's true in a sense, with our limited perspective. But we must first ask for our own forgiveness and then also for our children to be sanctified. We typically dedicate our children to God, ask for His blessing on their lives. Children of parents of false belief systems or godless folks do not receive the same blessing. They do not love the Lord nor are they called to His purpose!
We are all born sinners, so if all children got saved, then why not all people? And if all people get saved, why are we so determined to spread the gospel?
We are saved. Saved from what? Judgment and ultimately the Lake of Fire, which to me is a quick death of both body and soul.
"And be not afraid of those killing the body, and are not able to kill the soul, but fear rather Him who is able both soul and body to destroy in Gehenna." Matt. 10:28 YLT
“Never be afraid of those who can kill the body but are powerless to kill the soul! Far better to stand in awe of the one who has the power to destroy body and soul in the fires of destruction!" PHILLIPS
"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." KJV
Destroy means to put an end to, annihilate. You can't have a never ending indestructible destruction, that is a contradiction. You throw a piece of paper in the fire and it burns in seconds. Likewise, if you fell into a lava lake that's 2000 degrees, how long will it take to be completely incinerated?
Aionios has variable meanings. It means eternity only when referring to God and His domain or our salvation. But when it is applied to this temporal realm, it means ages, lifetimes, generations, epochs. "Everlasting" can also be translated as age- lasting or age-during. So the destruction in the Lake of Fire is age-during, part of an age, at the end of the ages, specifically when the first heavens and first earth are destroyed at the Great White Throne Judgment. In a fervent heat the dissolves the elements of the universe as we know it. ( 2 Peter 3:10)

Christian children are set apart, sanctified; BUT not all children are. "You and your household! And prior to Christ, those who lived by faith were saved. This makes sense to me. "GOD CAUSES ALL things work together for good for those who love the Lord, for those who are called to His purpose."

That's a lot of assumptions that deviate from the scripture I posted. I don't believe it.

 

[Jack]

To believe that children burn in Hell is utterly Satanic!

 

[dev553344]

To believe that children burn in Hell is utterly Satanic!

Yes I would tend to agree. Children only become evil if they are taught it. I think everyone comes into this life innocent. Like Adam and Eve. Anyone that knows the courts and laws knows that children are treated differently because they are still developing the ability to know good from evil.

 

[dev553344]

Besides the Philippian Jailer, there's also this head-scratcher from 1 Corinthians 7:14:

14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband; for otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy.

Of course, the children of unbelievers still get toasted in this paradigm.

As an aside, I'm told the family salvation promise is one of the reasons Mormon are into genealogy: To find out who in their family they're saving. Maybe some of our Mormon members here (Jane Doe?) could confirm that?

That scripture relates to parents raising children. Heathens raise heathens. Saints tend to raise children to become saintly. It's just how it works.

And when they come of age and are baptized and receive the Holy Ghost they are become God's children who then raises them better. And that is why we have to become as little children, teachable by God. Otherwise we're stuck with our earthly raising ingrained into our psychi's.

 

[St. SteVen]

Besides the Philippian Jailer, there's also this head-scratcher from 1 Corinthians 7:14:

14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband; for otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy.

Yes.
There seems to be something to the hierarchy of authority in a family.
The husband being the head, with the wife coming next and then the children.
The whole family being under the "umbrella" of authority.

In the Garden of Eden story, Eve ate first and Adam followed.
But Adam took the rap.

Often wondered what would have happened if Adam had refused.

 

[JunChosen]

GOD SAID IN:

Psalms 58:3-8:
The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

Does anybody know of a baby rattle snake that if anyone is bitten by such, he will not be harmed?

Romans 3:10:
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: (this includes babies without exceptions).
:
EXAMPLES:

God told Abraham to get out of Sodom and Gomorrah because the men were becoming wicked and sinners before Him exceedingly. Abraham pleaded with God that if there were ten righteous, will He still destroy the cities?

There must have been none ten righteous which included babies/children that were living there at the time, for we know the cities were destroyed anyway!

Same with the Amorites as God told Job to surround the city of Jericho and to kill all the men, women, and children.

If there is to be an Age of Accountability then we must look to the story of the Israelites when they crossed the River Jordan into the land of Canaan, where all those 20 years old and above could not enter into but only those who were 20 years old and under were allowed to occupy the land.

But as we can see, this is impossible!

To God Be The Glory

 

[Jack]

GOD SAID IN:

Psalms 58:3-8:
The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

Does anybody know of a baby rattle snake that if anyone is bitten by such, he will not be harmed?

Romans 3:10:
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: (this includes babies without exceptions).
:
EXAMPLES:

God told Abraham to get out of Sodom and Gomorrah because the men were becoming wicked and sinners before Him exceedingly. Abraham pleaded with God that if there were ten righteous, will He still destroy the cities?

There must have been none ten righteous which included babies/children that were living there at the time, for we know the cities were destroyed anyway!

Same with the Amorites as God told Job to surround the city of Jericho and to kill all the men, women, and children.

If there is to be an Age of Accountability then we must look to the story of the Israelites when they crossed the River Jordan into the land of Canaan, where all those 20 years old and above could not enter into but only those who were 20 years old and under were allowed to occupy the land.

But as we can see, this is impossible!

To God Be The Glory

Comparing beautiful, adorable babies to rattle snakes! SHAMEFUL! How many babies do you know who killed anyone? So you're for killing all babies?

 

[JunChosen]

Comparing beautiful, adorable babies to rattle snakes! SHAMEFUL! How many babies do you know who killed anyone? So you're for killing all babies?

I've noticed that you did not make a comment on the passage, Romans 3:10. Is that by design? Lol

 

[Jack]

I've noticed that you did not make a comment on the passage, Romans 3:10. Is that by design? Lol

If your babies were like rattlesnakes must have been some really bad DNA involved!

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

That's an interesting point. Reminds me of the Philippian jailer.
I don't recall it as a promise of Jesus though.

Acts 16:31 So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
Every promise in th Bible comes from God.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

That's a lot of assumptions that deviate from the scripture I posted. I don't believe it.

Okay.

 

[St. SteVen]

God told Abraham to get out of Sodom and Gomorrah because the men were becoming wicked and sinners before Him exceedingly. Abraham pleaded with God that if there were ten righteous, will He still destroy the cities?

There must have been none ten righteous which included babies/children that were living there at the time, for we know the cities were destroyed anyway!

Does this mean that you believe God burns babies in hell for all eternity?