If all children go to Heaven and if Hell is forever then it seems that it's GOOD when children die, right?

[Jack]

No I'm not. You are disingenuous. Frankly, Jack, I believe you're a narcissist that is here to demonstrate your superiority over others by defeating them in doctrinal arguments. Being right is more important to you than acknowledging the truth. Your Himalayan ego blinds you.

I provided the link earlier. Here it is again.

Read Concordant New Testament Online - Concordant Publishing Concern

www.concordant.org

Keep your Bible hating opinions and personal attacks. I'll stick with Jesus!

Matthew 25
46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into everlasting life.

Same Greek word! NEVER ending.

 

[Jack]

The King James Version is a GARBAGE translation. Nobody should base their doctrine on that poorly translated "Bible".

I think all Bibles upset you Patrick.

Revelation 20:10 (DRV)
10 And the false prophet shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Revelation 20:10 (ASV)
10 and they shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Revelation 20:10 (AMP)
10 and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever

Revelation 20:10 (BBE)
10 and their punishment will go on day and night for ever and ever.

Revelation 20:10 (CSBBible)
10 and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Revelation 20:10 (CEB)
10 There painful suffering will be inflicted upon them day and night, forever and always.

Revelation 20:10 (CJB)
10 and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Revelation 20:10 (CEV)
10 and they will be in pain day and night forever and ever.

Revelation 20:10 (DRV)
10 And the false prophet shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Revelation 20:10 (ETRV)
10 There they would be tortured day and night forever and ever.

Revelation 20:10 (ESV)
10 and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Revelation 20:10 (GW)
10 They will be tortured day and night forever and ever.

Revelation 20:10 (HCSB)
10 and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Revelation 20:10 (ICB)
10 There they will be punished day and night forever and ever.

Revelation 20:10 (KJV)
10 and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Revelation 20:10 (MLB)
10 and they will be tortured day and night forever and ever.

Revelation 20:10 (NET1)
10 and they will be tormented there day and night forever and ever.

Revelation 20:10 (NASB77)
10 and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Revelation 20:10 (NASB)
10 and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Revelation 20:10 (NCV)
10 There they will be punished day and night forever and ever.

Revelation 20:10 (NIV)
10 They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Revelation 20:10 (NIV2011)
10 They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Revelation 20:10 (NJB)
10 and their torture will not come to an end, day or night, for ever and ever.

Revelation 20:10 (NLT2)
10 There they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Revelation 20:10 (NRSV)
10 and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Revelation 20:10 (RSV)
10 and they will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Revelation 20:10 (TLB)
10 and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Revelation 20:10 (TEV)
10 they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Revelation 20:10 (Webster's Bible)
10 and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

 

[Patrick1966]

You are certainly dedicated to attacking our Bible just like Satan!

 

[Jack]

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[Patrick1966]

Keep your Bible hating opinions and personal attacks. I'll stick with Jesus!

Matthew 25
46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into everlasting life.

Same Greek word! NEVER ending.

If people are forever punished, @Jack , then how do all people see the salvation of God as mentioned in your King James translation?

Luke 3:6 King James Version
And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.

The King James version attacks itself through its many verses that contradict one another. Yes, it is a GARBAGE translation.

 

[Jack]

If people are forever punished, @Jack , then how do all people see the salvation of God as mentioned in your King James translation?

Luke 3:6 King James Version
And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.

The King James version attacks itself through its many verses that contradict one another. Yes, it is a GARBAGE translation.

You said MOST English Bible translations are GARBAGE!

Matthew 25
46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into everlasting life.

Same Greek word! NEVER ending.

 

[Patrick1966]

You said MOST English Bible translations are GARBAGE!

Matthew 25
46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into everlasting life.

Same Greek word! NEVER ending.

What about Luke 3:6 which says that ALL FLESH WILL SEE THE SALVATION OF GOD?

 

[Jack]

What about Luke 3:6 which says that ALL FLESH WILL SEE THE SALVATION OF GOD?

That doesn't say everyone will accept God's offer. Most will not!

Referring to salvation:

Luke 13
23 Then one said to Him, "Lord, are there few who are saved?" And He said to them,
24 "Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.

 

[Patrick1966]

That doesn't say everyone will accept God's offer. Most will not!

It says what it says; you just can't accept it. You also cannot accept that Luke 3:6 in the KJV contradicts Matthew 25:46 in the KJV, but it does. Good night.

 

[Jack]

It says what it says; you just can't accept it. You also cannot accept that Luke 3:6 in the KJV contradicts Matthew 25:46 in the KJV, but it does. Good night.

Gee, don't you remember you just called the KJV GARBAGE? lol

 

[St. SteVen]

Whose theology is that?

The predominant theology of the early church in the east. The Greek speaking church.

"The Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge" by Schaff-Herzog, 1908, volume 12, page 96 German theologian- Philip Schaff, Editor: "In the first five or six centuries of Christianity there were six theological schools, of which four (Alexandria, Antioch, Caesarea, and Edessa, or Nisibis) were Universalist, one (Ephesus) accepted conditional immortality; one (Carthage or Rome) taught endless punishment of the wicked. Other theological schools are mentioned as founded by Universalists, but their actual doctrine on this subject is not known."

 

[Taken]

By that warped theology, Christians should kill their babies so that they are guaranteed to go to Heaven instead of risking an "eternity" in Hell by growing into adulthood and rejecting God and being condemned, right?

Of course, there is also the belief of predestiny where some little kiddies get sent to Hell FOREVER to be punished for things they didn't actually do but would have done, right?

Those doctrines are sound, theological, thought but the belief that Jesus will eventually save ALL people (as the Bible CLEARLY states) is crazy, right?

Most of you here think you are NOT of this world but you follow the world's version of Christianity, which isn't Christ's version.

@St. SteVen

Distorted presumptions and not right.

God IS ALL-KNOWING. He KNOWS what ALL individual earthlings SHALL CHOOSE…with or without Him.

In the Beginning God CREATED and God MADE a place prepared FOR ALL earthly individuals Body’s, Soul’s, Spirit’s…to Forever BE WITH Him or to Forever Be WITHOUT Him.

God IS JUST. Every earthly individual SHALL receive that which they have heartfully chosen.

Killing ones own child’s body’s life, simply makes one a murderer not a savior.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

It says what it says; you just can't accept it. You also cannot accept that Luke 3:6 in the KJV contradicts Matthew 25:46 in the KJV,

No it does not.

but it does. Good night.

Luke 3:
[6] And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.

Matt 25:
[45] Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
[46] Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

Luke is simply a statement of Fact regarding ALL body’s (FLESH) being RAISED UP and standing before and seeing Christ the Lord Jesus.

Christ the Lord Jesus….IS SALVATION.
MEN’S SIGHT.

Matt is about the Lord Jesus…SEEING Servants Serving the Lord and notifying the Servants they are Blessed for their Service.
The LORD’S SIGHT.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[JunChosen]

That doesn't say everyone will accept God's offer. Most will not!

Referring to salvation:

Luke 13
23 Then one said to Him, "Lord, are there few who are saved?" And He said to them,
24 "Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.

At the onset, God has NEVER offered salvation to anyone! John 3:!6 reads:
"For God so loved the world, that he GAVE his only begotten Son...."

The answer to Luke 13 is found in Romans 3:10-11 which reads:

10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

It is God's assessment of the human race that there will no one be seeking after Him!

How then can anyone be saved, you asked? That's another issue.

To God Be The Glory

 

[Jack]

At the onset, God has NEVER offered salvation to anyone! John 3:!6 reads:
"For God so loved the world, that he GAVE his only begotten Son...."

Then why did God clearly explain how to obtain salvation??? If you had quoted the verse you would have read about one of God's offer.

The answer to Luke 13 is found in Romans 3:10-11 which reads:

10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

It is God's assessment of the human race that there will no one be seeking after Him!

Jeremiah 29
13 And you will seek Me and find Me, when you search for Me with all your heart.

How then can anyone be saved, you asked? That's another issue.

To God Be The Glory

Certainly not by saying babies go to Hell.

 

[St. SteVen]

...

It is God's assessment of the human race that there will no one be seeking after Him!

How then can anyone be saved, you asked? That's another issue.

To God Be The Glory

1 John 2:2 NIV
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

 

[face2face]

Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

Who is the "all" referring to? Try reading the context!

Can you do that?

F2F

 

[face2face]

@everye one else.

Who is God obligated to?

All or none?

 

[JunChosen]

1 John 2:2 NIV
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

The term, "atoning sacrifice" would have better served you by translating it as "appeasement" or "propitiation" which is a better translation, and perhaps you would have gotten a better understanding of the verse.

To God Be The Glory

 

[Jack]

Actually I think those who claim babies go to Hell will be in Hell themselves.