About the modern Jew - potentially a major deception and distraction for believers

[Zao is life]

This topic is contentious for at least three reasons.

1. Many modern Jews believe they are still the chosen spiritual source of God’s wisdom and holiness as the ‘superior’ people on earth.

2., Many Christians believe that these modern Jews since Christ are the actual physical and even the spiritual descendants of Israel or at least from the house of Judah. They have built some of their spiritual doctrine of prophecy (for example, dispensationalism) based on it. And they won't give it up without a fight.

And 3., Christ united all physical tribes, including Israel, all nations, under one Spirit and one Body for the Father. And he is its lord Christ who did not replace Israel of the Law; he incorporated them into the covenant of grace with the new Israel of today.

This is true Israel we have today, in the hearts of a believer, from any origin, culture or nationality. Life blood does not count anymore, only the spiritual blood of life given by the Father and Son. And then these modern Jews were DNA tested and flunked 'the test'..more on this later.

---some fragmented notes will be added to this thread that will follow this OP----------

In my opinion the world is going to be judged by all this. Because for 1,878 years Jews in the nations were slandered, misrepresented, maligned, unjustly treated, and sometimes even slaughtered in pogroms and finally, in the holocaust.

The Zionist Jews had good reason to want a homeland for the Jews, and God knew it. BUT they continued to reject Christ, so were not Israel. Then this happened:

In 1947 and 1948, by the stroke of a pen, the General Assembly of the United Nations said to the Jews, in effect:

1. "OK Jews, we'll give you your homeland in Palestine - but not in the land biblically allotted by God to Judah/the Jews, a.k.a "The West Bank". No, we'll continue to call that part of the territory "Palestine" and that part will be given to your bloodthirsty enemies who hate you with an ancient hatred, and want nothing else than to eradicate every Jew from the entire land we are giving you, and to wipe your country, a.k.a "Israel" off the map.

2. We'll continue to deal treacherously with you by

(a) Giving military aid and money to you, but also giving money - lots of money - to your enemies who want to annihilate you, so as to ensure they remain strong enough to forever be a thorn in your flesh; and

(b) We'll continue to pressure you through the resolutions repeatedly passed by our (United) nations to make impossible concessions with those who hate you and do not want peace with you. You will continue to be condemned without a cause and blamed for the misdeeds of your enemies who hate you.

( c ) We will also not allow you to adequately defend yourselves and your state against those who hate you and want nothing else than your annihilation.

God has seen, and God is 100% just.

In short, in 1947 and 1948, by the stroke of a pen, the General Assembly of the United Nations signed their own title deed to their own graveyard, by their first treacherous action of many to follow, and after signing their own title deed to their own graveyard, the nations have continued to dig their own graves in the state called "Israel".

When God judges the nations in the graveyard of the nations, it will not be because Jews who are not in Christ are "Israel", nor "because they are Jews" - but because God is 100% just. He destroyed Babylon after He used Babylon the judge the Jews.

The cities of the nations that John saw falling when the 7th bowl of wrath was poured out, will be judged in the Valley of Jehoshaphat.

God has allowed the nations to dig their own graves in their own graveyard. Not because Jews who are not in Christ are "Israel", nor "because they are Jews", but because the world is evil - and it's all the nations who have been digging their own graves in their own graveyard that will be judged: Those who have a bloodthirsty, blind hatred for the Jews of the state called "Israel", and want them annihilated or driven into the sea, as well as those who have dealt so treacherously with the state they created.

It has nothing to do with "the Jews" who do not believe in Jesus and everything to do with the way God preordained it.

IMO.​

 

[Brakelite]

KJV Matthew 21:39-44
....39 And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.
40 When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?
41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.
42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

Note that God did not leave individuals without hope... He built His church on a first generation of Jewish converts.

KJV Deuteronomy 28:45-54
45 Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee:
46 And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever.
47 Because thou servedst not the LORD thy God with joyfulness, and with gladness of heart, for the abundance of all things;
48 Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the LORD shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things: and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee.
49 The LORD shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand;
50 A nation of fierce countenance, which shall not regard the person of the old, nor shew favour to the young:
51 And he shall eat the fruit of thy cattle, and the fruit of thy land, until thou be destroyed: which also shall not leave thee either corn, wine, or oil, or the increase of thy kine, or flocks of thy sheep, until he have destroyed thee.
52 And he shall besiege thee in all thy gates, until thy high and fenced walls come down, wherein thou trustedst, throughout all thy land: and he shall besiege thee in all thy gates throughout all thy land, which the LORD thy God hath given thee.
53 And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the LORD thy God hath given thee, in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee:
54 So that the man that is tender among you, and very delicate, his eye shall be evil toward his brother, and toward the wife of his bosom, and toward the remnant of his children which he shall leave...

and so it goes on, some horrendous curses that Israel brought upon themselves and history testifies as to the accuracy of the above words.

KJV John 19:14-15
14 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!
15 But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar....

KJV Matthew 27:24-25
24 When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.
25 Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.

KJV Matthew 27:24-25
24 When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.
25 Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.

 

[Lizbeth]

Reflecting on point 1, of the OP..

Point 1 explained more or less: Modern Jews or Jewry is/are the children of the Pharisees in spirit. They do not believe in Christ as our lord and savior. In an effort to convince themselves and others they are the physical and spiritual descendants of Israel, they created devises of illusion and deceit soon after the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.

They invented a religion called Judaism codified with its Babylonian Talmud of 500 AD. They later developed by copying other local cultures, a culture for their own with a physically identifiable people, as the descendants of the Khazarians of Western Asia, located in the 300s to 1000 AD around the Black Sea.

Fast forwarding ....They finally created a political State in the land of the true Israelites by stealth and modern forms of terrorism and displaced or killed nearly 1 million indigenous people in the process. All these elements and extreme actions projected a deceptive and false image or an illusion that they were indeed the living and genuine, surviving descendants of the Israelites of the OT as they were victorious in 1948! They also began to teach Hebrew in their schools for the first time of their history or existence at the beginning of the 20th century. Eventhough Hebrew was not the language in Judea at the time of Christ. They wanted to fit the full image of the real Jews no less.

These Jews and their father, as were their spiritual descendants, the Pharisees, is the accuser of God and his people.

It is possible sometimes to discern Jews....their gifts and calling are irrevocable. And though some may be enemies of the gospel for our sakes, they are still loved for the sake of the patriarchs, and I wish them only well. There is no one righteous, no not one, so we need to watch our attitudes and hearts, and not be arrogant against them, as Paul wrote. Though they are a people apart in some ways, I think all we need to know really is that unbelieving Jews are lost souls (as we all once were) who need the Saviour, and pray for them and treat them accordingly.

 

[APAK]

Wow.

Well, it's a good thing Christians obsessed with Jesus don't have to worry about him being one of those.....JEWS!

Zionism - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

BP, technically and significantly he was not one of them at all, and I'm very glad for it. First, Jesus the Christ, of our Father, was a real Judahite (contracted form Jew).

The modern Jew, well over 93 percent of them, do not have descendants from the lands of Palestine/Judea, if bloodlines counted for anything anyway for the spiritual Israel of the Kingdom, and they do not of course. These modern Jews are NOT Semites as Jesus was one. These modern Jews are called Ashkenazi Jews who were created by their conversion to the newly invented modern form of Judaism (~500 AD) around 700-900 AD . They lived around the Black Sea and then spread into especially the surrounding countries of Europe including Russia. Poland, Hungary, Rumania, Germany and eventually all of Europe. Many became parasites of the people that offered them a hand and the shirts off their backs, and the welcome mat, as they plundered in return of this kindness, with their cunning of skills of usury and false trading practices. Many became became the agitators of their adopted countries and became very political, and reduced the morality of those countries they dwelt, in the process.

Now these modern Jews can be classified into groups: Practicing orthodox Jews, to the liberal reformed Jews, and they those who do not identify with the God of Abraham at all, atheists and agnostics, like any non-Jew.

They the ones that I do take offense with and mentioned negatively above, are the much smaller percentage of these Jews, they became modern Zionists we know today. They are political and non practicing Jews - Godless and secular. They are only concerned with power, wealth and control of people all over the globe. They ride on the backs of the other classes of Jews and pray on innocent and ignorant Christians to use them and eventually discard them. They use both their 'brethren' and Christians alike as they do not care as long as they achieve their objectives in the process.

These have been called by many as 'self-styled' Jews in the early 20th century. They say they have a right to exist as they plundered and terrorized the local peoples in Palestine. They also believe they have the right to rule the planet as well. I'm not exaggerating. Who do you think owns all the national central banks, most of the media, TV and entertainment spheres in the world. Who have infiltrated the Christian churches over the last 400-500 years and are considered by most, these are the genuine article, the chosen people of God.

Have they got you fooled?!

They are the workers of evil in this world today hands-down and they have conned their way to where they are today. I hope folks wake up soon. They have tactical nuke weapons by the way. Who will reel them in before they start another major war?!

Currently, the US (political heads and many misguided citizens) in their typical blindness stance are now preparing to assist these Zionist vampires and destroyers to execute more atrocities, and many more innocent and ignorant Americans will die needlessly. When will this country wake up?!

So equating these Jews with Yahshua is really incorrect and despicable to even ponder.

And I'm not taking what I wrote as a personal offense against you. It is more of an open ended editorial on the subject to the public in general. I just took advantage of your post as a step off point to reintroduce this subject in more detail.

 

[Davy]

There was nothing said against Jesus'promises to those who come to him by faith... Particularly the Apostles. But to the nation, as opposed to individuals, their house was left unto them desolate.

When someone starts blabbering of how God's promises to the Jews no longer are in effect and don't matter, that is the same as calling even Lord Jesus a liar. And my proof is what Jesus promised His 12 Apostles.

 

[Davy]

The Biblical fact about the Jews is...

1. There are true bloodline Jews born of the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, Levi, and small remnants of the northern ten tribes that left Jeroboam's northern tribe kingdom and sided with Judah.

2. All... the peoples living in the southern "kingdom of Judah" became known as Jews, and that included the strangers, those living there of foreign birth that converted to Judaism. Those went into captivity to Babylon with Judah as Jews, and also returned with Judah as Jews.

3. False Jews, those which Jesus called the "synagogue of Satan", His greatest enemies, represent those of the pagan nations that crept in among Judah and became religious Jews. These were the Kenites of the lands of Canaan who became Israel's scribes, and the Canaanites of the nations God told Israel to destroy, in which they failed, and those of the nation of Edom (Esau) that joined with Judah after Edom was destroyed by God's command.

Neither the majority of Christianity, nor the world, nor even the various groups of Jews themselves, can trace their direct heritage all the way back to Jacob. Just like today with Satan's attempt to mix up all the races through inter-racial marriages, he did the same with the seed of Israel over the centuries.

 

[covenantee]

When someone starts blabbering of how God's promises to the Jews no longer are in effect and don't matter, that is the same as calling even Lord Jesus a liar. And my proof is what Jesus promised His 12 Apostles.

When someone starts blabbering of how God's promises in Christ alone have been replaced by the Jews (aka replacement ideology), that is a blasphemy against the Blood and Sacrifice of His Son.

In God's New Will and Testament, all covenants and promises are fulfilled only in Christ, and in those who are in Christ.

The OT covenants and promises are the promissory clauses of God's Old Will and Testament, and they are both revoked and fulfilled in the promissory clauses of His New Will and Testament, written in the Blood of His Son Jesus Christ, the Divine Testator, coming into full force and effect upon His death.

If you have made your own Will and Testament, you will see that the very first clause states the following or its equivalent:

"I HEREBY REVOKE all former Wills and other testamentary dispositions by me at any time therefore made and declare this to be my Last Will and Testament."

This means that all former wills and testaments, and all of their promissory clauses in their entirety, are completely null and void. In their place, the promissory clauses of the current last new will and testament are the only ones in force and effect. Any promissory clause which appeared in the old will and testament, but does not appear in the new will and testament, is irrevocably null and void unless yet another new will and testament is made which re-includes it.

Thus we see:

Hebrews 9
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Hebrews 10
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

Hebrews 8
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

God`s New Will and Testament is everlasting:

Hebrews 13
20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant.

There is none greater.

We see other new promissory clauses of the New Will and Testament in:

Matthew 21:33-45
In this parable, the son, who is identified as the heir, typifies Christ.

Galatians 3:16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

2 Corinthians 1:20
For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

Hebrews 1:1,2
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

In them, we see that the Heir and Beneficiary is Christ alone, that all of the promises are affirmed and confirmed in Him, and that He is Heir of all things. All includes the OT land promises, the restoration promises, the blessings promises, and all else. There are no exceptions.

If you deny that God has appointed His Son alone as heir of all things, you declare God to be a liar.

His New Will and Testament contains even better promises:

Hebrews 8
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Such as:

Hebrews 11
16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

Additional promissory clauses in...:

Romans 8:16-17
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Galatians 3:29
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

...declare that we who are in Christ are joint heirs with Him.

But it is clear and plain:

There are no promissory clauses for anyone, Jew or Gentile...

Who is not in Christ.

 

[BlessedPeace]

BP, technically and significantly he was not one of them at all, and I'm very glad for it. First, Jesus the Christ, of our Father, was a real Judahite (contracted form Jew).

The modern Jew, well over 93 percent of them, do not have descendants from the lands of Palestine/Judea, if bloodlines counted for anything anyway for the spiritual Israel of the Kingdom, and they do not of course. These modern Jews are NOT Semites as Jesus was one. These modern Jews are called Ashkenazi Jews who were created by their conversion to the newly invented modern form of Judaism (~500 AD) around 700-900 AD . They lived around the Black Sea and then spread into especially the surrounding countries of Europe including Russia. Poland, Hungary, Rumania, Germany and eventually all of Europe. Many became parasites of the people that offered them a hand and the shirts off their backs, and the welcome mat, as they plundered in return of this kindness, with their cunning of skills of usury and false trading practices. Many became became the agitators of their adopted countries and became very political, and reduced the morality of those countries they dwelt, in the process.

Now these modern Jews can be classified into groups: Practicing orthodox Jews, to the liberal reformed Jews, and they those who do not identify with the God of Abraham at all, atheists and agnostics, like any non-Jew.

They the ones that I do take offense with and mentioned negatively above, are the much smaller percentage of these Jews, they became modern Zionists we know today. They are political and non practicing Jews - Godless and secular. They are only concerned with power, wealth and control of people all over the globe. They ride on the backs of the other classes of Jews and pray on innocent and ignorant Christians to use them and eventually discard them. They use both their 'brethren' and Christians alike as they do not care as long as they achieve their objectives in the process.

These have been called by many as 'self-styled' Jews in the early 20th century. They say they have a right to exist as they plundered and terrorized the local peoples in Palestine. They also believe they have the right to rule the planet as well. I'm not exaggerating. Who do you think owns all the national central banks, most of the media, TV and entertainment spheres in the world. Who have infiltrated the Christian churches over the last 400-500 years and are considered by most, these are the genuine article, the chosen people of God.

Have they got you fooled?!

They are the workers of evil in this world today hands-down and they have conned their way to where they are today. I hope folks wake up soon. They have tactical nuke weapons by the way. Who will reel them in before they start another major war?!

Currently, the US (political heads and many misguided citizens) in their typical blindness stance are now preparing to assist these Zionist vampires and destroyers to execute more atrocities, and many more innocent and ignorant Americans will die needlessly. When will this country wake up?!

So equating these Jews with Yahshua is really incorrect and despicable to even ponder.

And I'm not taking what I wrote as a personal offense against you. It is more of an open ended editorial on the subject to the public in general. I just took advantage of your post as a step off point to reintroduce this subject in more detail.

Well,of course you would.

You and your fellows are so fixated on "JEW", that you demonstrate yourselves woefully indifferent to God's word.

And I'll take the liberty of telling you why I see in your writings why that is.

Because God isn't leading you and your fellows to understanding. Your natural minds are being persuaded to belief by Satan. And that is why,as God tells the Christian, the things of God are foolishness to you and your fellows.

And this is a fact for the Christians in this discussion. Only the Holy Spirit changes that.

This thread will likely reach double its current page count. Especially since I just said that. So that those following the leading of the lord of this world will continue to preach against God and Jesus Christ for as long as they can.
Because Christians here will try to reach what God says,only he can.

And then comes the judgement.Where you all who rail against "JEW", will answer for every word.

What upsets those like yourself is that God said the Jews,Hebrews,are his chosen people. Which is why websites are started, blasphemous books claiming to be a bible ,are published in order to rail against that fact.

The DNA of today's Jew isn't traceable to those in Jesus time? Really?

https://www.science.org/content/article/tracing-roots-jewishnes

I wonder if you and your fellows are Lutheran. Martin Luther was a very vocal anti-Semite, having written a number of works on, " the Jews and their lies".

He too shall answer for every word.

 

[covenantee]

Well,of course you would.

You and your fellows are so fixated on "JEW", that you demonstrate yourselves woefully indifferent to God's word.

You can cease your whining and crying, because everyone is a Jew.

Through natural genetic dispersion and diffusion over up to more than three millennia, Abraham's DNA is possessed by the entire human race.

Corroborated empirically by the Jewish community itself.

Abraham lineage
DNA Tests Could Fulfill God’s Promise to Abraham by Revealing Millions of Jews. But How Jewish is Jewish Enough?
Israel in all of Us? Research finds 'Jewish genes' in unusual places
Jewish-Roots Arabs in Israel
Tracing the lost tribes to Jewish communities in Africa
Nigeria's Igbo Jews: 'Lost tribe' of Israel? - CNN
http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/...-africa-has-jewish-roots-genetic-tests-reveal
https://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/...her-claims-proof-of-tribe-of-Ephraim-in-India
https://www.jta.org/2013/05/23/life...bush-bani-israel-tribe-claims-jewish-heritage

Demonstrated mathematically.

Example of ancestral genetic ubiquity:

Charlemagne’s DNA and Our Universal Royalty

BY CARL ZIMMER

Nobody in my past was hugely famous, at least that I know of. I vaguely recall that an ancestor of mine who shipped over on the Mayflower distinguished himself by falling out of the ship and having to get fished out of the water. He might be notable, I guess, but hardly famous. It is much more fun to think that I am a bloodline descendant of Charlemagne. And in 1999, Joseph Chang gave me permission to think that way.

Chang was not a genealogist who had decided to make me his personal project. Instead, he is a statistician at Yale who likes to think of genealogy as a mathematical problem. When you draw your genealogy, you make two lines from yourself back to each of your parents. Then you have to draw two lines for each of them, back to your four grandparents. And then eight great-grandparents, sixteen great-great-grandparents, and so on. But not so on for very long. If you go back to the time of Charlemagne, forty generations or so, you should get to a generation of a trillion ancestors. That’s about two thousand times more people than existed on Earth when Charlemagne was alive.

The only way out of this paradox is to assume that our ancestors are not independent of one another. That is, if you trace their ancestry back, you loop back to a common ancestor. We’re not talking about first-cousin stuff here–more like twentieth-cousin. This means that instead of drawing a tree that fans out exponentially, we need to draw a web-like tapestry.

In a paper he published in 1999 [pdf], Chang analyzed this tapestry mathematically. If you look at the ancestry of a living population of people, he concluded, you’ll eventually find a common ancestor of all of them. That’s not to say that a single mythical woman somehow produced every European by magically laying a clutch of eggs. All this means is that as you move back through time, sooner or later some of the lines in the genealogy will cross, meeting at a single person.

As you go back further in time, more of those lines cross as you encounter more common ancestors of the living population. And then something really interesting happens. There comes a point at which, Chang wrote, “all individuals who have any descendants among the present-day individuals are actually ancestors of all present-day individuals.”

In 2002, the journalist Steven Olson wrote an article in the Atlantic about Chang’s work. To put some empirical meat on the abstract bones of Chang’s research, Olson considered a group of real people–living Europeans.

The most recent common ancestor of every European today (except for recent immigrants to the Continent) was someone who lived in Europe in the surprisingly recent past—only about 600 years ago. In other words, all Europeans alive today have among their ancestors the same man or woman who lived around 1400. Before that date, according to Chang’s model, the number of ancestors common to all Europeans today increased, until, about a thousand years ago, a peculiar situation prevailed: 20 percent of the adult Europeans alive in 1000 would turn out to be the ancestors of no one living today (that is, they had no children or all their descendants eventually died childless); each of the remaining 80 percent would turn out to be a direct ancestor of every European living today.

Suddenly, my pedigree looked classier: I am a descendant of Charlemagne. Of course, so is every other European. By the way, I’m also a descendant of Nefertiti. And so are you, and everyone else on Earth today. Chang figured that out by expanding his model from living Europeans to living humans, and getting an estimate of 3400 years instead of a thousand for the all-ancestor generation.

Things have changed a lot in the fourteen years since Chang published his first paper on ancestry. Scientists have amassed huge databases of genetic information about people all over the world. These may not be the same thing as a complete genealogy of the human race, but geneticists can still use them to tackle some of the same questions that intrigued Chang.

Recently, two geneticists, Peter Ralph of the University of Southern California and Graham Coop of the University of California at Davis, decided to look at the ancestry of Europe. They took advantage of a compilation of information about 2257 people from across the continent. Scientists had examined half a million sites in each person’s DNA, creating a distinctive list of genetic markers for each of them.

You can use this kind of genetic information to make some genealogical inferences, but you have to know what you’re dealing with. Your DNA is not a carbon copy of your parents’. Each time they made eggs or sperm, they shuffled the two copies of each of their chromosomes and put one in the cell. Just as a new deck gets more scrambled the more times you shuffle it, chromosomes get more shuffled from one generation to the next.

This means that if you compare two people’s DNA, you will find some chunks that are identical in sequence. The more closely related people are, the bigger the chunks you’ll find. This diagram shows how two first cousins share a piece of DNA that’s identical by descent (IBD for short).

Ralph and Coop identified 1.9 million of these long shared segments of DNA shared by at least two people in their study. They then used the length of each segment to estimate how long ago it arose from a common ancestor of the living Europeans.

Their results, published today in PLOS Biology, both confirm Chang’s mathematical approach and enrich it. Even within the past thousand years, Ralph and Coop found, people on opposite sides of the continent share a lot of segments in common–so many, in fact, that it’s statistically impossible for them to have gotten them all from a single ancestor. Instead, someone in Turkey and someone in England have to share a lot of ancestors. In fact, as Chang suspected, the only way to explain the DNA is to conclude that everyone who lived a thousand years ago who has any descendants today is an ancestor of every European. Charlemagne for everyone!

If you compare two people in Turkey, you’ll find bigger shared segments of DNA, which isn’t surprising. Since they live in the same country, chances are they have more recent ancestors, and more of them. But there is a rich, intriguing pattern to the number of shared segments among Europeans. People across Eastern Europe, for example, have a larger set of shared segments than people from within single countries in Western Europe. That difference may be the signature of a big expansion of the Slavs.

Ralph and Coop’s study may provide a new tool for reconstructing the history of humans on every continent, not just Europe. It will also probably keep people puzzling over the complexities of genealogy.


How does God distinguish genetic Jews from genetic Jews?

It matters not one whit.

Because God has only two covenant criteria.

Two spiritual genes.

Faith and obedience.

Abraham's Spiritual DNA.

And nothing else.

 

[APAK]

Well,of course you would.

You and your fellows are so fixated on "JEW", that you demonstrate yourselves woefully indifferent to God's word.

And I'll take the liberty of telling you why I see in your writings why that is.

Because God isn't leading you and your fellows to understanding. Your natural minds are being persuaded to belief by Satan. And that is why,as God tells the Christian, the things of God are foolishness to you and your fellows.

And this is a fact for the Christians in this discussion. Only the Holy Spirit changes that.

This thread will likely reach double its current page count. Especially since I just said that. So that those following the leading of the lord of this world will continue to preach against God and Jesus Christ for as long as they can.
Because Christians here will try to reach what God says,only he can.

And then comes the judgement.Where you all who rail against "JEW", will answer for every word.

What upsets those like yourself is that God said the Jews,Hebrews,are his chosen people. Which is why websites are started, blasphemous books claiming to be a bible ,are published in order to rail against that fact.

The DNA of today's Jew isn't traceable to those in Jesus time? Really?

https://www.science.org/content/article/tracing-roots-jewishnes

I wonder if you and your fellows are Lutheran. Martin Luther was a very vocal anti-Semite, having written a number of works on, " the Jews and their lies".

He too shall answer for every word.

Get over yourself and the Spirit of God does drive my views on this subject, for many years now. Why do you think I write on it with such clarity and openness that it makes some people very offended?!

And your source webpage source either does not exist or was taken down. And why for God's sake are you so interested in DNA and blood lines for your support and view of who is a Jew today? It counts for zip for the Body of Jesus Christ and the saints of the Kingdom. And if you find a source of this subject that shows you what you want it to show, it maybe because those masquerading as real Jew did the DNA analysis for your consumption and belief. aka propaganda and lies.

I thought maybe you are a believer in the NC the NT and Yahshua. I guess I was wrong as you seem to idolize these small percentage of extremists, the mentally deranged, within the ranks of the modern Jews that give the ancient Jews a black-eye.

 

[BlessedPeace]

Get over yourself and the Spirit of God does drive my views on this subject, for many years now. Why do you think I write on it with such clarity and openness that it makes some people very offended?!

And your source webpage source either does not exist or was taken down. And why for God's sake are you so interested in DNA and blood lines for your support and view of who is a Jew today? It counts for zip for the Body of Jesus Christ and the saints of the Kingdom. And if you find a source of this subject that shows you what you want it to show, it maybe because those masquerading as real Jew did the DNA analysis for your consumption and belief. aka propaganda and lies.

I thought maybe you are a believer in the NC the NT and Yahshua. I guess I was wrong as you seem to idolize these small percentage of extremists, the mentally deranged, within the ranks of the modern Jews that give the ancient Jews a black-eye.

Wrong member.

I was commenting once on the insistent DNA rhetoric.

Yes,your politics are very clear. Hard to miss.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

But still, Paul in Romans 11 showed us that God has put spiritual blindness upon the majority of unbelieving Jews away from The Gospel, thus making them enemies against us.

Have we ever considered that spiritual blindness upon the majority of unbelieving Jews making them enemies …could be for the sake of …You have heard that it has been said, You shall love your neighbour, and hate your enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies… “thus making them enemies against us.”

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

You can cease your whining and crying, because everyone is a Jew.

Through natural genetic dispersion and diffusion over up to more than three millennia, Abraham's DNA is possessed by the entire human race.

Corroborated empirically by the Jewish community itself.

Abraham lineage
DNA Tests Could Fulfill God’s Promise to Abraham by Revealing Millions of Jews. But How Jewish is Jewish Enough?
Israel in all of Us? Research finds 'Jewish genes' in unusual places
Jewish-Roots Arabs in Israel
Tracing the lost tribes to Jewish communities in Africa
Nigeria's Igbo Jews: 'Lost tribe' of Israel? - CNN
http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/...-africa-has-jewish-roots-genetic-tests-reveal
https://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/...her-claims-proof-of-tribe-of-Ephraim-in-India
https://www.jta.org/2013/05/23/life...bush-bani-israel-tribe-claims-jewish-heritage

Demonstrated mathematically.

Example of ancestral genetic ubiquity:

Charlemagne’s DNA and Our Universal Royalty

BY CARL ZIMMER

But at the end of the day one can only truly go back 3 generations, to be worthy of that lot ? because if you go back more than 3 times then you are truly not that related in fact for it to be truly so ? yes on paper it is but genetically but DNA it's not the same at all because just look at all the others one shares with ! Same deal with claiming to be a Jewish of the bloodline. That regarding 2000 or 4000 years ago is now as becomes entwined as in becoming like grains of Sand on the beach.
The reality is that most people on earth now have some portion of them original Jews in their blood line in fact, no matter how minute it may be. One may not not be of the direct line like me having the sir name, but that does not matter in such a regard.

My Uncle was a race horse breeder and he worked on such things, so as to try and improve the next generation horse and he said on the 3rd gen from a outstanding horse that was it, it was all finished and no way no how came from the next line down at all.

I have to laugh when i see people on TV on shows that go back to generations past, and 10 times back we see some hero etc and they are like Oh MY ! I is related to that dude ? yes and not really.
I am related to the King of Denmark going back to 1332 or so in fact, but my DNA would not have a trace worth bothering with in that regards.

I remember one Jew i was talking to and i said my mother had the same sir name as him and he jumped up directly rejecting such haha ! but i never got to tell him that her dads dad changed their sir name 3 times and this name was used from a mothers side of the family, so it's not that direct line. that he was on about. for if he did his homework and looked at the full picture he would know he had many more relations. Not that we related to him but maybe.

But i say only 3 times removed is a Relation, past that means bugger all. You have your 1st cousins and your 2ed cousins period and 3rd cousins are not really related at all, look at how many different foreinger body's are involved ? One dude comes from 2 dudes ? then if i have 10 siblings and they and me all have 10 and the next line all have 10, and so on, well Come on really ! how are they all related to be truly worthy.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

My Uncle was a race horse breeder and he worked on such things, so as to try and improve the next generation horse and he said on the 3rd gen from a outstanding horse that was it, it was all finished and no way no how came from the next line down at all.

That’s interesting. There’s three generations in my family …my mother, then me, then my daughters, then my grandchildren…opps that four generations right? The next line down would be my grandchildren’s children?

 

[Jack]

I think 'Christians' who are trying to steal Israel's identity are under God's curse.

 

[covenantee]

I think 'Christians' who are trying to steal Israel's identity are under God's curse.

Who are those Christians?

 

[Brakelite]

I think 'Christians' who are trying to steal Israel's identity are under God's curse. Want to steal a failed 1

Why anyone would want to steal the identity of a failed nation beats me.

 

[Jack]

Why anyone would want to steal the identity of a failed nation beats me.

You mean Israel, a TINY dot on the map that has the world's attention, that FILLS the Christian Bible, as the Bible warned us about?

God bless Israel!

 

[covenantee]

You mean Israel, a TINY dot on the map that has the world's attention, that FILLS the Christian Bible, as the Bible warned us about?

God bless Israel!

CHRIST fills my Bible.

 

[Jack]

CHRIST fills my Bible.

Of course, Jesus is the God of Israel! Israel is mentioned over 2500 times in the Bible.