How Evil Are Humans?

[Ritajanice]

Adam was warned directly by God. Eve was warned by Adam who failed to uphold the command to not eat.

I would consider being unaware of the consequences of disobedience or even of obedience, both Adam and Eve were incapable of making a conscious decision to disobey. They were led to believe the serpent as innocently in their trust as they were in flowing God's words.

It is not their responsibility that the serpent entered paradise.

Completely agree with this...of course it’s not biblical, just a commentary....thanks for sharing.

No one can either prove using scripture..that they knew what “ choice “..was.....that’s just assumptions by man/woman.....which they are just adding there own words....therefore void of truth.

Unless God said to Adam and Eve, you have a choice ....not in scripture as far as I can read?

Therefore void of any truth.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Adam was warned directly by God. Eve was warned by Adam who failed to uphold the command to not eat.

I would consider being unaware of the consequences of disobedience or even of obedience, both Adam and Eve were incapable of making a conscious decision to disobey. They were led to believe the serpent as innocently in their trust as they were in flowing God's words.

It is not their responsibility that the serpent entered paradise.

What would make you think Adam and Eve were not aware of the consequences?

 

[Ritajanice]

What would make you think Adam and Eve were not aware of the consequences?

What makes you think they were aware of the consequences?

Nothing in scripture to prove either way....or is there...I can’t find anything that say s they were or weren’t aware of the consequences?

We can only go by God’s word...we can’t add to his word ......

Of course we can all give our “ own” commentary..doesn’t make it God’s truth though.

Where in the Bible did God say to them...I give you free choice...?..to Adam and Eve.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Two Israels.

Romans 9
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

1. Of Israel:
Not all Israel
The children of the flesh
Not the children of God
Not the children of the promise
Not counted for the seed

2. All Israel:
Not of Israel
Not the children of the flesh
The children of God
The children of the promise
Counted for the seed

Only one of these two Israels shall be saved.

Romans 11
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Only the faithful obedient spiritual "all Israel", comprised of the believing elect beloved remnant from Israel (Romans 9:27; Romans 11:1-5,26,28), and believers from among the Gentiles (Romans 11:11), shall be saved.

I disagree with your interpretation of Romans 9. It fails to consider the first five verses. Understanding Paul's intended subject matter informs our understanding of Paul's arguments. As others have rightly pointed out, Paul is not talking about Gentile believers in this section as we can see from the first five verses.

Romans 9:1-5
I am telling the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience testifies with me in the Holy Spirit, that I have great sorrow and unceasing grief in my heart. For I could wish that I myself were accursed, separated from Christ for the sake of my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh, who are Israelites, to whom belongs the adoption as sons, and the glory and the covenants and the giving of the Law and the temple service and the promises, whose are the fathers, and from whom is the Christ according to the flesh, who is over all, God blessed forever. Amen.

The argument that follows verse 5 is concerned with Paul's brethren, his kinsmen according to the flesh, Israelites, their fathers, and Christ. He doesn't have Gentile believers in view here. Therefore, the so-called "two Israels" are not two different Israels but Israel as it will be when God removes ungodliness from Israel. Romans 11:25-27.

Romans 11:25-26
For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery—so that you will not be wise in your own estimation—that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written . . .

According to Paul, there is only one Israel, which is currently partially hardened. However, in the future, after the Gentiles have come in, Israel will be saved. So the contrast is between Israel as she is now and Israel as she will be in the future. The Gentiles are not members of the future Israel because Israel will not be saved until all the fullness of the Gentiles come in. Once we get ahold of this idea, we are in a better position to make sense of Paul's argument in Romans 9.

Romans 9:6

But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from [Jacob]​

In his concluding remarks, Paul sheds light on a specific promise from God that he talks about earlier. God promised to remove ungodliness from Jacob and to take away their sins. However, during Paul's time, God had not fulfilled this promise yet. Therefore, Paul's readers need to understand why this promise has not yet been fulfilled. Additionally, not all of Jacob's descendants will be alive when God saves Israel. Those who are alive during this time will be people of faith, just like their father Abraham.

 

[CadyandZoe]

What makes you think they were aware of the consequences?

God told them that on the day they ate of the tree, "dying they would die." Thus we know that Adam and Eve were aware of the consequences.

Where in the Bible did God say to them...I give you free choice...?..to Adam and Eve.

Free agency is always understood from a commandment. God would not command them to do something impossible. Resisting and avoiding the Tree was possible and Eve avoided it for awhile. Eve ate of the tree because Nachash convinced her that the Tree was a test, and that God wanted her to grow up and learn how to make decisions on her own. She saw that the Tree was good for wisdom so she ate. She believed Nachash when he said, "You shall not die."

Later, God promised her that a Savior would come from her, which is word of hope and encouragement.

 

[Ritajanice]

God told them that on the day they ate of the tree, "dying they would die." Thus we know that Adam and Eve were aware of the consequences.

Not necessarily...did God tell them what dying meant?...No...they weren’t aware of the consequences...how do you even know, that they understood what consequences even were.....you don’t...no more than I do....you and I have voiced an opinion...not God’s word.

Did God mention consequences....like me, you can’t prove by scripture ..because consequences aren’t in his word...regarding Adam and Eve having that knowledge.

Free agency is always understood from a commandment. God would not command them to do something impossible. Resisting and avoiding the Tree was possible and Eve avoided it for awhile. Eve ate of the tree because Nachash convinced her that the Tree was a test, and that God wanted her to grow up and learn how to make decisions on her own. She saw that the Tree was good for wisdom so she ate. She believed Nachash when he said, "You shall not die."

Later, God promised her that a Savior would come from her, which is word of hope and encouragement.

This is your commentary...so, no biblical truth to it...you are adding to what God’s word is saying...

Here is God’s word...he says it much better than you or I.

Adam and Eve​

4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, when the Lord God made the earth and the heavens.

5 Now no shrub had yet appeared on the earth[a] and no plant had yet sprung up, for the Lord God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no one to work the ground, 6 but streams[b] came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground. 7 Then the Lord God formed a man[c] from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life,and the man became a living being.

8 Now the Lord God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed. 9 The Lord God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground—trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

10 A river watering the garden flowed from Eden; from there it was separated into four headwaters. 11 The name of the first is the Pishon; it winds through the entire land of Havilah, where there is gold. 12 (The gold of that land is good; aromatic resin[d]and onyx are also there.) 13 The name of the second river is the Gihon; it winds through the entire land of Cush.[e] 14 The name of the third river is the Tigris; it runs along the east side of Ashur. And the fourth river is the Euphrates.

15 The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

18 The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”

19 Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. 20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds in the sky and all the wild animals.

But for Adam[f] no suitable helper was found. 21 So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs[g] and then closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib[h] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.

23 The man said,

“This is now bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called ‘woman,’
for she was taken out of man.”
24 That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh.

25 Adam and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame.

Genesis 3​

New International Version​

The Fall​

3 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”
2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”
4 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.
8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the Lord God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the Lord God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the Lord God called to the man, “Where are you?”
10 He answered, “I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid.”
11 And he said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?”
12 The man said, “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”
13 Then the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”
The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”
14 So the Lord God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this,
“Cursed are you above all livestock
and all wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
and you will eat dust
all the days of your life.
15 And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring[a] and hers;
he will crush[b] your head,
and you will strike his heel.”
16 To the woman he said,
“I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
with painful labor you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you.”
17 To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’
“Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat food from it
all the days of your life.
18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.
19 By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return.”
20 Adam[c] named his wife Eve,[d] because she would become the mother of all the living.
21 The Lord God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. 22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” 23 So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side[e] of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Not necessarily...did God tell them what dying meant?

Due to the efficiency of language, if God warns someone about death, it is likely that those hearing the warning understand it.

...No...they weren’t aware of the consequences...how do you even know, that they understood what consequences even were.....you don’t...no more than I do....you and I have voiced an opinion...not God’s word.

You caused you to doubt yourself? This makes me sad.

 

[Ritajanice]

Due to the efficiency of language, if God warns someone about death, it is likely that those hearing the warning understand it.

Prove it then?...that Adam and Eve understood what die meant?using scripture.

You caused you to doubt yourself? This makes me sad.

I go by God’s word and I like to stay open minded....and personally....you caused you to doubt yourself....doesn’t make an ounce of sense to me.

All you have done is once again, posted your “ own” commentary....

It saddens me..when people manipulate and say stuff, to try and get you to agree with their own manmade commentary...to suit their own agenda.....

I don’t agree with your commentary...am I upset because you don’t agree with mine...of course not....I certainly won’t deny my opinion...because it obviously upsets you.

My opinion is mine and your opinion is yours.."why it would sadden you....I have no idea.....

 

[Marty fox]

Don't worry about Israel. Jesus is the God of Israel.

I have no idea why you posted this I’m not worried about Israel and of course Jesus is the God of Israel but what’s that to do with our conversation?

The fact is that the faithful before and after the cross and even the faithful before Israel existed are the only ones that define who “all Israel“ that are and will be saved is.

 

[Gabriel _Arch]

What would make you think Adam and Eve were not aware of the consequences?

They did not know the meaning of consequences,good,evil,right,wrong.

 

[Gabriel _Arch]

Same as a baby toddling around.
Do this….response/consequence toddler likes
Do not do that….response/consequence toddler does not like

The funky part…Adam was not created as a baby, yet had not the maturity, or all the experiences as a baby who sees and hears and does during childhood and maturing.

Adam experienced for good and to his liking…
The garden, being told things, the food he could decide and eat, having animals brought to him to see, giving them names he chose, having another manKIND of thing for company….
And “ONE” THING to AVOID.
And “WHY” (the consequence to AVOID that “ONE” thing).
Adam (the male), did not LOOK at that “Tree”, did not LISTEN to that thing in that “Tree”, did not TALK to that thing in that “Tree”, did not reach out and TAKE anything from that “Tree”….
Adam’s downfall was listening, believing, taking, eating, From what (the female manKIND of thing) convinced Adam was “GOOD” to eat.

(It’s a lesson. Learn Gods Word First, so that no matter WHO (even your family, spouse, preacher, teacher) tells you what is opposite of Gods word…Nothing whatsoever, no matter how your mind can logically conclude is ‘good’, rely and trust in Gods Word, OVER all other Words.)

Adam’s choice and experience affected ALL of manKIND naturally born AFTER him.

Gods Design created ALL of manKIND with Freewill,, (same as Adam)

Gods Grace gave ALL of manKIND an OFFERING of Choices (same as Adam)

All individual men MAKE their own Choices, to CHOOSE,, what God has OFFERED, or what God has WARNED AGAINST Choosing.

Scripture reveals an individual’s OPTION for making Choices, IS LIMITED to the timeframe of WHILE its BODY is naturally ALIVE with the Body’s LIFE (which is it’s BLOOD).

Thereafter, the BODY without LIFE IN IT, can MAKE no choices.

Aside from a man MAKING “choices”, the physical body has “instinctual” REACTIONS.
A face distorts, when it tastes something extremely tart or sour.
A hand withdraws from a hot item without flame or smoke.
ETC.

Do you find it interesting…(consuming)_ ie. Eating a particular thing was something Adam was told not to do…..and drinking of anything was ever mentioned?

I find it interesting that God did not forgive Adam and Eve for their innocent mistake.
Instead he cursed all humans that would come after.

Adam and Eve were set up to fall. Due to God's zeal for his own glory.
There's no free will when God holds sovereign dominion over all his creation.

We choose.We use what God installed to make a choice. However,that choice is in God's will.

Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ,
4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love
5 He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will,
6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, which He freely bestowed on us in the Beloved.​

Romans 9:
14 What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15 For he says to Moses,

“I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”
16 It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. 17 For Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.”18 Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.


Romans 3:10-12

Proverbs 16:9 In their hearts humans plan their course, but the LORD establishes their steps.

Isaiah 45 Darby Translation
1.“Thus saith Jehovah to his anointed,
...
5 I [am] Jehovah, and there is none else; there is no God beside me: I girded thee, and thou hast not known me;

6 —that they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the going down, that there is none beside me. I [am] Jehovah, and there is none else;

7 forming the light and creating darkness, making peace and creating evil: I, Jehovah, do all these things.

 

[covenantee]

As others have rightly pointed out, Paul is not talking about Gentile believers in this section as we can see from the first five verses.

He doesn't have Gentile believers in view here.

Yes, Gentiles are not referred to explicitly until Romans 9:24. However, they are present in Romans 9:8 in the "children of the promise", who are the Church:

Galatians 4
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

Paul describes the Galatian Church, comprised of both Jews and Gentiles, as the "children of promise".

Therefore, the so-called "two Israels" are not two different Israels but Israel as it will be when God removes ungodliness from Israel. Romans 11:25-27.

My post of "Two Israels" describes the differences specifically. "All Israel" and "of Israel" are mutually exclusive. They can be only bridged through Christ, wherein any one in "of Israel" becomes one in "all Israel" by receiving Christ.

According to Paul, there is only one Israel, which is currently partially hardened.

According to Paul, there are two Israels, whom he describes as "all Israel" and "of Israel". The former are in Christ. The latter are outside of Christ.

However, in the future, after the Gentiles have come in, Israel will be saved. So the contrast is between Israel as she is now and Israel as she will be in the future. The Gentiles are not members of the future Israel because Israel will not be saved until all the fullness of the Gentiles come in. Once we get ahold of this idea, we are in a better position to make sense of Paul's argument in Romans 9.

Unbelieving Israel was blinded; believing Israel (the election) was not. (Romans 11:7). The blindness was lifted when the fulness of the Gentiles (Romans 11:25) was realized by the proclamation of the Gospel to them, beginning some 3 1/2 years after Calvary with Paul's ministry. Multitudes from Israel have come to Christ ("all Israel", Romans 9:6; 11:26) in the more than 1,900 years since that time. Their future has never awaited.

In his concluding remarks, Paul sheds light on a specific promise from God that he talks about earlier. God promised to remove ungodliness from Jacob and to take away their sins. However, during Paul's time, God had not fulfilled this promise yet.

God has been fulfilling His promise and saving "all Israel" (Romans 11:26) for more than 1,900 years.

 

[Jack]

I have no idea why you posted this I’m not worried about Israel and of course Jesus is the God of Israel but what’s that to do with our conversation?

The fact is that the faithful before and after the cross and even the faithful before Israel existed are the only ones that define who “all Israel“ that are and will be saved is.

Christians are not Israel.

 

[face2face]

Men disqualify themselves by their rejection of God's gift.....gift being the operative word.

So your God is powerless to reject? Even to the one whose life is like the dirty foam washed up on a beach, is God forced to give them something? What of the double minded man (James 1:6)? Is your God bound to give the gift to all men? And what of those who never undestood the gift to begin with? Is He forced to give them the gift?

I can see the god of your making has you deceived which it why you are without wisdom and sound reasoning.

If I was to return in 6 months time could I expect to find growth in the One True God, or will you hold fast to your doctrine of wholesale grace, even the ungodly and double minded?

Like James I tell you "they can expect to receive nothing from Him"

F2F

 

[Marty fox]

Christians are not Israel.

So who was Paul talking about when he said not all Israel are Israel?

 

[Jack]

So who was Paul talking about when he said not all Israel are Israel?

It's like all 'Christians' are not Christians. Lots of church goers heading for Hell fire.

 

[Marty fox]

It's like all 'Christians' are not Christians. Lots of church goers heading for Hell fire.

So then in your view only true Christian Jews are Israel

 

[Jack]

So then in your view only Christian Jews are Israel

Huh? Christians are not Israel. Israel is Israel.

 

[Marty fox]

Huh? Christians are not Israel. Israel is Israel.

Well you said not all Israel is Israel is like not all Christians are Christian’s as some will perish.

Thus in what you are saying here has to be that only true Christian Jews can be true Israel because only a Christian Jew will not perish

 

[Timtofly]

Disagree.
He knew his nakedness was a shame unto him and covered himself best he could.

"And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed."

Do you base the change on knowledge or disobedience?

Disagree.
Adam was physically alive and lived many years outside of the Garden, yet spiritually and physically separated from God.

In the body of death.

"O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?"

"Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself."

"It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body."

"For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens."

Disagree.
(Luke, student of Jesus)
Luke 3:
[38] Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.
Not sure why you believe you are the only one grasping the understanding of a relationship between A Physical man and A Spiritual God.
All Alive Body’s of men ARE Mortally, Physically Alive, regardless if they are Spiritually With or Separated From God.

Was the son of God, not is the son of God.

"This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:"

Seth was not in God's image, but in the image of Adam's dead corruptible flesh.

You are arguing with Scripture. If Adam did not physically die the instant he disobeyed God, that would make God a liar. Adam would not see himself as naked. Adam would not need redemption if he still had the physical body he was created with.

“We” is ambiguous.
Physical bodily Death is required (by God) for ALL men. (Gen 9:5)
When, How, the physical body dies is irrelevant.
The Circumstances of the physical bodily death, MATTERS. The Individual willingly “GIVING” his body unto DEATH, expressly FOR that individuals LOVE of God…(or not).
Life is the relevance…of How the dead body shall be RAISED UP.
Glorified (wholly, whole, holy), sentenced to Forever Life,BECAUSE of that Individuals LOVE of God.
Or
Still (sin in the body), sentenced to Destruction, BECAUSE of that Individuals LACK of LOVE of God.

"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:"

Get your point. However, What “WAS” there with Adam…was:
* Gods Word…whose name was NOT Yet revealed.
* Gods Power…whose title was NOT Yet revealed.
* Gods Wisdom…whose title was NOT Yet revealed.
* Gods Seed…whose title was NOT Yet revealed. For SOME yes. For OTHERS no.
Already have said the same.

Adam was banned from the Garden. He lived in sin and death. Seth was born in sin and death.

You claim Adam had the ability to repent, prior to being kicked out of the Garden.

Adam’s PHYSICAL Bodily Death occurred, many years After he was sent out of the Garden.
You are trying to make a “spiritual death”, a “physical death”, BEFORE the “physical death” occurs.
A man CAN KNOW “spiritual things”….
A MORTAL man CAN NOT SEE “spiritual things” with mortal EYES.
A MORTAL mans EYES “shall see” “spiritual things” AS THEY ARE (spiritual), when the MORTAL man IS RAISED in immortality.

Adam did not experience a “new body of death”. Adam experienced “his original old body”, experiencing a spiritual death, (spiritual, non physical), death, which is: a spiritual separation from …. The Spiritual God.

His dead corruptible physical body died years later. His God given incorruptible physical body died the instant Adam disobeyed God.

Disagree.
You are stating; YOUR human understanding.
Nothing what soever reveals Adam “WAS” or “WAS called” a “son of God” on the day he was created and made Alive and Put in Gods Garden”.
* sons of God, is another in-depth topic.
Stop confusing yourself with being God.
No and No, was a response to YOUR WORDS.
I said NOTHING whatsoever in rejecting Gods Word. Sure, I DO KNOW, based on I TRUST what God Taught Isaiah, and was written for me TO KNOW, and my option to believe and trust is Truth, which I do.
Whether YOU know, or choose to trust or believe, has NOTHING whatsoever to do with my choices. Yep, true. I do not claim Adam physically bodily died that instant Adam disobeyed God (in the Garden).

Gen 5 (reveals your own lack of understanding and reveals your claim of Adam’s physical death in the Garden is false.)

Gen 5:
[3] And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:
[4] And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:
[5] And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.
Sounds like you are deceived and unknowing physically Dead men DO NOT REPRODUCE offspring. You have neither quoted what Paul wrote, nor I have made a response to what you did not quote….I have zero requirement to respond to your imagination claims, nor did I.

You quoted the verse that Adam was created the son of God. Now you change your mind?

Those in a state of death physically and spiritually alive on the earth keep reproducing more physical and spiritually dead humankind.

"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:"

"Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression."

We don't sin nor disobey like Adam did. We don't physically die each time we sin. Adam was the only created being along with Eve who physically died when Adam disobeyed. Through Seth, that state of death was passed to all humankind descended from Adam. That is not human understanding that is the Word of God.

"And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:"