What is the Kingdom of God?

[Episkopos]

Not imagination, but rather...HOPE. Don't seek for things that perish, including wealth and power, no, but "seek ye first the kingdom of Heaven and all these things shall be added unto you". We don't hope in our own puny imagination, we hope through faith in Christ Jesus. Jesus said "...come, let us go over to the other side" and where He is, is where, by faith in His word, I invision I am headed.

How can you seek for something that you have no access to now? You have to think this through. God wants us to seek for His kingdom right NOW so we can bear an eternal fruit...right now. To make the kingdom a future only event is to MISS THE GOSPEL. Do we follow Christ only after we die? Do we abide in Christ only after we die?

In order to live we need to seek the Lord now.

Hope is good. But we are called to walk by faith. Faith is now. Hope is for the future.

Will you only have faith in God in the future? Faith enters into the promises now. Jesus said that very few would have faith on His return. It doesn't say how many will hope and have an imagination of future events.

 

[Lizbeth]

You need to study ALL of what God's Word says about the endtimes and then get the order of events in the right place.

Otherwise for the preterist there's all kinds of things in God's Word that they'll have to ignore and claim the biblical writers were just throwing in some meaningless blah blah as filler.

You'll have to study this from the anti-preterism point of view as well as list all the scripture they use to make their points and see how it all stacks up.

I have noticed that most preterists have a hatred for the Jews and are anti-semites which lets me know they are not being led by the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ... they following another jesus and a different gospel than what it is God's Word.

He must reign until all enemies are put under His feet. (the last enemy being death) Then cometh the end when He shall have put down all rule and authority and power. So.......... He will still be busy putting down enemies in the millennial reign when everything is supposed to be idyllic somehow even though all enemies haven't been put under....and this is after He has already come back again to reign, and then He is going to come back a third time somehow at the end of the millennial reign to defeat his enemies and judge the world again? Hmmmmm......

I can't yet parse everything the book of Revelation....but I'm content to wait on the Lord for more. We will never figure it out on our own, that's for sure. Some more glimpses of what I believe He has been gracious to show so far is that the scriptures that were written before John was given this vision......are definitely the keys to unlocking the vision. We have to know scriptures well and be looking back at earlier scripture to compare them with what Rev is showing. For example.....the Lamb was found worthy to open the scroll/book that was sealed.....so look back and see which is the only book in the bible that the Lord commanded to be sealed?.....Daniel. So no coincidence that we are seeing mentions of Babylon and kingdoms and beasts and judgments in Rev. The unsealing of the scroll/book of Daniel means those prophecies and judgments in that book were being fulfilled, and coming to pass "shortly".

Another clue is to look back in scripture for resurrections if we want to understand what the first resurrection is, that the faithful have a "part" in, ie, that we get to have a participation in down the road, even though that resurrection has already taken place.

I think I have a very balanced view of the Jews brother, thankfully. I used to rather idolize the Jews/Israel but the Lord has been gracious and steadied my ship on these things concerning them. They are certainly loved for the sake of the patriarchs.......but they are also enemies for the gospel's sake (not so much the secular folks, but particularly the religious Jews). They unfortunately persecuted the early church very horrendously until the Lord destroyed and scattered the nation in 70 AD so they had no more power to be able to persecute the church after that. What do we think is going to happen down the road a bit now that they are a nation and are growing in power again? The religious Jews have a lot of political clout and are very influential there and it is already difficult for believing Jews and Gentiles in Israel who are trying to share the gospel. I've run up against religious Jews here where I live and it's not pleasant, I can tell you. Now we know we are not wrestling with flesh and blood but with powers and principalities, and we are to love our enemies.....I would think that means especially the Jews since they loved for the sake of the patriarchs.....so there is no excuse for anti-semitism. All flesh of man is the same and there but for the grace of God go all of us. There is no one righteous, no not one.

 

[Lizbeth]

How can you seek for something that you have no access to now? You have to think this through. God wants us to seek for His kingdom right NOW so we can bear an eternal fruit...right now. To make the kingdom a future only event is to MISS THE GOSPEL. Do we follow Christ only after we die? Do we abide in Christ only after we die?

In order to live we need to seek the Lord now.

Hope is good. But we are called to walk by faith. Faith is now. Hope is for the future.

Will you only have faith in God in the future? Faith enters into the promises now. Jesus said that very few would have faith on His return. It doesn't say how many will hope and have an imagination of future events.

I believe there is more that we can grow in and enter, but on the other hand the bible says "Who hopes for what he already has?" Perhaps this speaks again to the yes-but-not-necessarily-yet of things.

 

[amigo de christo]

Have it your way for now brother, though I don't know how anyone can believe that Jesus will rule this world after it is burned into dust and ashes when He returns...and when He Himself is no longer ruling because He has given the rule back over to the Father at that time. Any true interpretation of Rev simply would not contradict those things.

The danger though, is that many who believe in a future earthly reign are going to get sucked into unbelieving Israel's deception and vision for the future, which includes the same belief in an earthly reign, along with a false messiah sitting in a stone temple made with the hands of man. Jesus said His kingdom is not a matter of lo here it is, or there it is. And He said His coming won't be either.

His coming shall be sudden and swift and in that day and at that hour all who denied Him and rejected the love of the truth
whereby they could have been saved , are gonna wail .
And all cities , temples and buildings , the utopia society so many had all hope in , WILL COME
SUDDENLY CRASHING DOWN .
There is no hope in men of this world , no not in govts , not in politicians ,
BUT IN CHRIST ALONE . Many are not gonna make it .
For if our hope be in this world , its kingdoms and its men , I TELL US ALL they wont make it
but fall for the delusion and will fall for the delusion of the every growing inclusion
to be as one in a world for peace n safety .
SISTER , its getting worse and faster than ever . Many now see what they see as an awaking
as a revival , IT IS BUT THE DELUSION to gather the world as one under the dragon and the beast .
I am very worried and deeply deeply concerned for what i am seeing within christendom and the world .
ITS MERGING . And it has its roots of and in HUMANITY and the darkness .
COME TO , they cry , LET us build us a tower to reach unto heaven , a way of many diverse and strange stones
THAT TEMPLE , NEVER GONNA REACH HEAVEN . ITS NEVER gonna give them the salvation they thought .
I T WILL all come crashing down in furious fire , ON the day of the LORD . THE VERY JESUS they denied
as THE ONLY WAY to GOD . The very love they bought which sold them their own hearts desires
and gave a false idea of salvation and embraced sins and etc . NOT LOOOKING TOO GOOD right now sister .
Truth is its looking very bad . But let never give up sister . some will hear , most will reject .

 

[amigo de christo]

I believe there is more that we can grow in and enter, but on the other hand the bible says "Who hopes for what he already has?" Perhaps this speaks again to the yes-but-not-necessarily-yet of things.

Many already do the work of sie agenda for false salvation under guise o inclusion . Many have no ears to hear
or eyes to see . And sadly , it seems the more they are warned the more they only buckle down
and strap on all that decayed armour they so think has built them up .
The words of men gone arry , DO NOT BUILD UP .
THE WORDS and WORD OF GOD , NOW THAT DOES BUILD ONE UP .
many have abandoned the HOPE of the true gospel in favor of hoping in a false one that simply AINT gonna save them .
And though daily their numbers do grow and daily more and more hands join in as one
THE END will surely come and they will all wail on that day and in that hour .
JESUS WONT BE DENIED . and false love that comes of the world and of men , DENIES HIM . not looking too good at all sister .
But as i wrote afore , let us not give up . some will hear , most will reject .

 

[Lizbeth]

Many already do the work of sie agenda for false salvation under guise o inclusion . Many have no ears to hear
or eyes to see . And sadly , it seems the more they are warned the more they only buckle down
and strap on all that decayed armour they so think has built them up .
The words of men gone arry , DO NOT BUILD UP .
THE WORDS and WORD OF GOD , NOW THAT DOES BUILD ONE UP .
many have abandoned the HOPE of the true gospel in favor of hoping in a false one that simply AINT gonna save them .
And though daily their numbers do grow and daily more and more hands join in as one
THE END will surely come and they will all wail on that day and in that hour .
JESUS WONT BE DENIED . and false love that comes of the world and of men , DENIES HIM . not looking too good at all sister .
But as i wrote afore , let us not give up . some will hear , most will reject .

Amen brother.

So many are rejecting the true gospel of old in favour of a way that seemeth right to man and I feel that these words in Jer 6 are so applicable today:

Jer 6:16-19

Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.

Also I set watchmen over you, saying, Hearken to the sound of the trumpet. But they said, We will not hearken.

Therefore hear, ye nations, and know, O congregation, what is among them.

Hear, O earth: behold, I will bring evil upon this people, even the fruit of their thoughts, because they have not hearkened unto my words, nor to my law, but rejected it

 

[Cassandra]

Revelation 21:1 says, “Then I saw ‘a new heaven and a new earth,’ for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.”

That does not mean there are no fishes. There were always rivers. I believe sea came about because of the Flood. If you are talking about salinity, that can be easily overcome. I'm sure God had great fun creating everything-I believe He is going to recreate everything. the animals will all be vegetarian, snakes are harmless, everything is good.

 

[Episkopos]

Amen brother.

So many are rejecting the true gospel of old in favour of a way that seemeth right to man and I feel that these words in Jer 6 are so applicable today:

Jer 6:16-19

Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.

Also I set watchmen over you, saying, Hearken to the sound of the trumpet. But they said, We will not hearken.

Therefore hear, ye nations, and know, O congregation, what is among them.

Hear, O earth: behold, I will bring evil upon this people, even the fruit of their thoughts, because they have not hearkened unto my words, nor to my law, but rejected it

O, the irony.

 

[amigo de christo]

O, the irony.

says the man who has done all to put the horse into the cart and hollers unto humanity
to come and lets pick up a CHRISTLESS INCLUSIVE CROSS . i tell us all epi , that man and any who does such a thing
Awaits the JUDGMENT OF CHRIST JESUS WHOM THEY DENIED FOR INCLUSIVISM . YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN
putting the DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON JESUS AS TOP PRIORITY. YOU DIDNT . you failed the masses , but you do have the popes aprroval
NOT that , this can save you . IT WONT . IT surely wont .
AND EPI , if i didnt love you and the others , WELL i would not have warned you and the others . TIME TO PREACH
the absolute dire necessity to all that has breath OF THE DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON JESUS CHRIST
but you aint gonna do that are you epi . You too busy thinking muslims and others can pick up the cross
atheists can pick up the cross , THEY CANT EPI . FOR THEY DO NOT BELIEVE JESUS TO BE THE CHRIST . its all vain epi
and you will , as will the pope and scores of others stand in total fear BEFORE GOD , BEFORE CHRIST on HIS DAY
LEST YOU REPENT . hURRY now epi . Time is running out

 

[Writer]

That does not mean there are no fishes. There were always rivers. I believe sea came about because of the Flood. If you are talking about salinity, that can be easily overcome. I'm sure God had great fun creating everything-I believe He is going to recreate everything. the animals will all be vegetarian, snakes are harmless, everything is good.

Debating what lives in a Sea on earth will also definately live in a Sea in heaven, when it is clearly stated there will be no Sea is a moot point.
Debating whether a Sea is less significant than an Ocean and therefore Oceans will definately be in heaven when that is not stated in the bible is a moot point, and where the premis of seas being less significant than oceans is not a scientific premis at all, is a moot point.

I will agree with you on one thing. There will be the river of life in heaven, I don't believe there will be koi in it. But, if there is; will that one thing keep me out of heaven...NO!

 

[Cassandra]

Debating what lives in a Sea on earth will also definately live in a Sea in heaven, when it is clearly stated there will be no Sea is a moot point.
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I will agree with you on one thing. There will be the river of life in heaven, I don't believe there will be koi in it. But, if there is; will that one thing keep me out of heaven...NO!

That's fine. I didn't say anything about a sea in heaven. God makes all things new. A sea is not necessary. That was where the floodwaters went. No one said there would be a sea in Heaven. (just of glass)

 

[Lizbeth]

says the man who has done all to put the horse into the cart and hollers unto humanity
to come and lets pick up a CHRISTLESS INCLUSIVE CROSS . i tell us all epi , that man and any who does such a thing
Awaits the JUDGMENT OF CHRIST JESUS WHOM THEY DENIED FOR INCLUSIVISM . YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN
putting the DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON JESUS AS TOP PRIORITY. YOU DIDNT . you failed the masses , but you do have the popes aprroval
NOT that , this can save you . IT WONT . IT surely wont .
AND EPI , if i didnt love you and the others , WELL i would not have warned you and the others . TIME TO PREACH
the absolute dire necessity to all that has breath OF THE DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON JESUS CHRIST
but you aint gonna do that are you epi . You too busy thinking muslims and others can pick up the cross
atheists can pick up the cross , THEY CANT EPI . FOR THEY DO NOT BELIEVE JESUS TO BE THE CHRIST . its all vain epi
and you will , as will the pope and scores of others stand in total fear BEFORE GOD , BEFORE CHRIST on HIS DAY
LEST YOU REPENT . hURRY now epi . Time is running out

Amen. No other NAME under heaven by which man can be saved. What name? The name of Jesus Christ. Not Buddha, not Allah, not Hashem, not Confuscious, not Krishna, not Baal. Confession of Jesus' name is made unto....salvation. God doesn't even allow us to have two opinions and try to serve Him and other gods at the same time.

 

[Writer]

That's fine. I didn't say anything about a sea in heaven. God makes all things new. A sea is not necessary. That was where the floodwaters went. No one said there would be a sea in Heaven. (just of glass)

Cassandra, I wasn't quoting you regarding there being a sea in heaven.

That's fine. I didn't say anything about a sea in heaven. God makes all things new. A sea is not necessary. That was where the floodwaters went. No one said there would be a sea in Heaven. (just of glass)

On this I agree with you,

Be blessed

 

[Lizbeth]

O, the irony.

Phl 3:13-16

Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,

I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.

 

[Writer]

How can you seek for something that you have no access to now? You have to think this through. God wants us to seek for His kingdom right NOW so we can bear an eternal fruit...right now. To make the kingdom a future only event is to MISS THE GOSPEL. Do we follow Christ only after we die? Do we abide in Christ only after we die?

In order to live we need to seek the Lord now.

Hope is good. But we are called to walk by faith. Faith is now. Hope is for the future.

Will you only have faith in God in the future? Faith enters into the promises now. Jesus said that very few would have faith on His return. It doesn't say how many will hope and have an imagination of future event

The definition of HOPE is exactly what you oppose! You don't need to go to the other side, you're already there. Why do you need to hope for it RIGHT! Well then you don't need faith either, because without faith THERE IS NO HOPE. You don't need to follow Jesus; YOU'RE ALREADY INSIDE, what do you need Him for, you've got your imagination.

 

[Cassandra]

Cassandra, I wasn't quoting you regarding there being a sea in heaven.

On this I agree with you,

Be blessed

You too!

 

[Episkopos]

The definition of HOPE is exactly what you oppose!

This is a strawman. Hope is for a future inheritance. Faith is what we live by now. We enter into the kingdom realm by faith not by hope. We inherit by hope. Without FAITH it is impossible to please God. It doesn't say without hope.

But people don't enter in because they lack faith. Unbelief. Otherwise God sees the faith and translates that person into the kingdom realm...immediately.

You don't need to go to the other side, you're already there. Why do you need to hope for it RIGHT! Well then you don't need faith either, because without faith THERE IS NO HOPE. You don't need to follow Jesus; YOU'RE ALREADY INSIDE, what do you need Him for, you've got your imagination.

That's the logic of "another gospel"...as in ..."I'm rich and in need of nothing". The human heart is easily deluded. And the mind follows.

Or one can seek God. (much hatred of this exhortation among some.)

 

[Lizbeth]

This is a strawman. Hope is for a future inheritance. Faith is what we live by now. We enter into the kingdom realm by faith not by hope. We inherit by hope. Without FAITH it is impossible to please God. It doesn't say without hope.

But people don't enter in because they lack faith. Unbelief. Otherwise God sees the faith and translates that person into the kingdom realm...immediately.

That's the logic of "another gospel"...as in ..."I'm rich and in need of nothing". The human heart is easily deluded. And the mind follows.

Or one can seek God. (much hatred of this exhortation among some.)

Something wrong with your understanding of these things. I've heard testimonies of "second blessing" and "entire sanctification" 'and it isn't how you experienced whatever you experienced...that it was so hard to bear you couldn't stay in that place. Jesus said His yoke is easy and His burden is light.......if there is a second blessing it is no more difficult to bear than being saved and knowing Christ is difficult to bear. And I can't think that what one has grown into would be so easily grown out of, as if a leopard can change its spots.

 

[Writer]

This is a strawman. Hope is for a future inheritance. Faith is what we live by now. We enter into the kingdom realm by faith not by hope. We inherit by hope. Without FAITH it is impossible to please God. It doesn't say without hope.

But people don't enter in because they lack faith. Unbelief. Otherwise God sees the faith and translates that person into the kingdom realm...immediately.

That's the logic of "another gospel"...as in ..."I'm rich and in need of nothing". The human heart is easily deluded. And the mind follows.

Or one can seek God. (much hatred of this exhortation among some.)

You need to get your understanding of Faith and Hope corrected, and while you're at it lose all the double talk.

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen. No other NAME under heaven by which man can be saved. What name? The name of Jesus Christ. Not Buddha, not Allah, not Hashem, not Confuscious, not Krishna, not Baal. Confession of Jesus' name is made unto....salvation. God doesn't even allow us to have two opinions and try to serve Him and other gods at the same time.

very correct dear sister . The middle , the two opinion , the lukewarm , IS the WORST place to be .
sadly under the guise of inclusivity that is RIGHT where most of christendom NOW IS .
lipping JESUS and fine with all religions and etc . NOT a good place . JUDGMENT will surely spring forth for all of this .
While we have the time we must POINT to CHRIST and all sound doctrine . praying and hoping for the peoples to repent .