He who Scattered Israel, will Gather them

[Jack]

He doesn't fight for antichrist.

Why do you?

You have a huge problem.

Romans 11:1-2
1 I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew.

 

[Stumpmaster]

You're antichrist's ally.

I didn't think anyone knew who the antichrist was. If you do you need to go to the media and warn people. This is serious!

 

[covenantee]

I didn't think anyone knew who the antichrist was. If you do you need to go to the media and warn people. This is serious!

Did you miss the Scripture?

I John 2
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

And there are more than one:

1 John 2
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

 

[Jack]

Did you miss the Scripture?

I John 2
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

And there are more than one:

1 John 2
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

IOW you have ZERO answer to:

Romans 11:1-2
1 I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew.

Should we believe you or Paul who wrote more Books in the Bible than anyone?

 

[covenantee]

You have a huge problem.

Romans 11:1-2
1 I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew.

Here's the answer to your problem:

His People:

Romans 11
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

 

[Jack]

Here's the answer to your problem:

His People:

Romans 11
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Yeah, it's ISRAEL!

John 12:12-13
12 The next day a great multitude that had come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem,
13 took branches of palm trees and went out to meet Him, and cried out: "Hosanna! 'Blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD!' The King of Israel!"

 

[covenantee]

Yeah, it's ISRAEL!

John 12:12-13
12 The next day a great multitude that had come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem,
13 took branches of palm trees and went out to meet Him, and cried out: "Hosanna! 'Blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD!' The King of Israel!"

Romans 9
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

 

[Jack]

Romans 9
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Of course there were some of Israel. It doesn't anywhere say ALL OF ISRAEL, unless you want to see this:

Romans 11:26-27
26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins."

You conveniently evade many Scriptures.

 

[covenantee]

Of course there were some of Israel. It doesn't anywhere say ALL OF ISRAEL, unless you want to see this:

Romans 11:26-27
26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins."

You conveniently evade many Scriptures.

So you agree:

Two Israels.

Romans 9
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

1. Of Israel:
Not all Israel
The children of the flesh
Not the children of God
Not the children of the promise
Not counted for the seed

2. All Israel:
Not of Israel
Not the children of the flesh
The children of God
The children of the promise
Counted for the seed

Only one of these two Israels shall be saved.

Romans 11
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Only the faithful obedient spiritual "all Israel", comprised of the believing elect beloved remnant from Israel (Romans 9:27; Romans 11:1-5,26,28), and believers from among the Gentiles (Romans 11:11), shall be saved.

 

[Jack]

So you agree:

Two Israels.

Romans 9
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

1. Of Israel:
Not all Israel
The children of the flesh
Not the children of God
Not the children of the promise
Not counted for the seed

2. All Israel:
Not of Israel
Not the children of the flesh
The children of God
The children of the promise
Counted for the seed

Only one of these two Israels shall be saved.

Romans 11
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Only the faithful obedient spiritual "all Israel", comprised of the believing elect beloved remnant from Israel (Romans 9:27; Romans 11:1-5,26,28), and believers from among the Gentiles (Romans 11:11), shall be saved.

If you're implying that you are Israel, you ain't! Israel is back in the Land of the Bible to stay, and there's NOTHING all the Israel wannabees in the world can do to remove them, except commit suicide trying!

Amos 9:14-15
14 I will bring back the captives of My people Israel; They shall build the waste cities and inhabit them; They shall plant vineyards and drink wine from them; They shall also make gardens and eat fruit from them.
15 I will plant them in their land, And no longer shall they be pulled up From the land I have given them," Says the LORD your God.

 

[Stumpmaster]

Did you miss the Scripture?

I John 2
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

And there are more than one:

1 John 2
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

So you don't know who the man of sin is?

 

[covenantee]

So you don't know who the man of sin is?

What did John tell us?

 

[covenantee]

If you're implying that you are Israel, you ain't! Israel is back in the Land of the Bible to stay, and there's NOTHING all the Israel wannabees in the world can do to remove them, except commit suicide trying!

Amos 9:14-15
14 I will bring back the captives of My people Israel; They shall build the waste cities and inhabit them; They shall plant vineyards and drink wine from them; They shall also make gardens and eat fruit from them.
15 I will plant them in their land, And no longer shall they be pulled up From the land I have given them," Says the LORD your God.

I imply nothing. I let Scripture do the talking.

It says that antichrist Israel "children of the flesh" are "not the children of God".

So why are you an ally of antichrist Israel "children of the flesh"?

 

[Jack]

I imply nothing. I let Scripture do the talking.

It says that antichrist Israel "children of the flesh" are "not the children of God".

So why are you an ally of antichrist Israel "children of the flesh"?

Why don't you ask Jesus, the God of Israel? He'll be returning to Israel soon!

 

[Stumpmaster]

What did John tell us?

It was Paul that taught using that term.

 

[Jack]

You don't know why you're an ally of antichrist??

Now that's delusion.

Jesus, the God of Israel isn't antichrist!

Matthew 15:31
31 So the multitude marveled when they saw the mute speaking, the maimed made whole, the lame walking, and the blind seeing; and they glorified the God of Israel.

 

[covenantee]

It was Paul that taught using that term.

Various of the post-apostolic early Church leaders anticipated it to be an antichrist which would arise following the dissolution of the extant pagan Roman empire.

Historically, pagan Rome was succeeded by papal Rome.

Over the ensuing centuries, the apostasy of the papacy inexorably increased until the time of the Reformation.

In hindsight, the Reformers recognized the fulfillment of Paul's man of sin in the succession of apostate popes.

 

[covenantee]

Jesus, the God of Israel isn't antichrist!

Of course not.

But unbelieving Israel is antichrist.

 

[Jack]

Of course not.

But unbelieving Israel is.

We were all antiChrists. We ALL needed salvation. Why are you spewing hatred for Israel?

 

[covenantee]

We were all antiChrists. Why are you spewing hatred for Israel?

We all repented.

Antichrist Israel refuses to repent.