The end of the world, as taught by Christ, separates the wicked from the just at the harvest, and it is coming for you.

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Scott Downey

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If the vessels of dishonor can become saved then is it possible for a tare (children of the wicked one) to become saved also?
No, I do not think it so. Not from God's eternal perspective. God knows His own even before their births.
The tare parable has the good seed sown by the Son of Man, they are saved as the Son of Man sows them, they have their origin in the power of God.
The good seed can though do works of the flesh and does not even know Christ, recall they have to grow, but God arrests them and takes them for Himself at some point in their life as they really do belong to Him. They are just sheep going astray. He brings them back to Himself

Like Paul, who breathing out threats against the church, arresting and delivering them to death; But God makes all that immediately stop when Christ appears to Him.

Acts 22:9
“And those who were with me indeed saw the light and were afraid, but they did not hear the voice of Him who spoke to me.

No one around Saul heard the voice of Christ except for him. Paul acknowledges his own hidden calling from God was from the womb, even from before all things.

Galatians 1

11 But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. 12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.

13 For you have heard of my former conduct in Judaism, how I persecuted the church of God beyond measure and tried to destroy it. 14 And I advanced in Judaism beyond many of my contemporaries in my own nation, being more exceedingly zealous for the traditions of my fathers.

15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother’s womb and called me through His grace, 16 to reveal His Son in me, that I might preach Him among the Gentiles, I did not immediately confer with flesh and blood, 17 nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me; but I went to Arabia, and returned again to Damascus.


2 Timothy 1

8 Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me His prisoner, but share with me in the sufferings for the gospel according to the power of God, 9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began (before our mother's womb, from the beginning God called us for Himself), 10 but has now been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Jesus Christ, who has abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel, 11 to which I was appointed a preacher, an apostle, and a teacher [c]of the Gentiles.

2 Peter
21 For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for [e]us, leaving [f]us an example, that you should follow His steps:

22 “Who committed no sin,
Nor was deceit found in His mouth”;
23 who, when He was reviled, did not revile in return; when He suffered, He did not threaten, but committed Himself to Him who judges righteously; 24 who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness—by whose [g]stripes you were healed. 25 For you were like sheep going astray, but have now returned to the Shepherd and [h]Overseer of your souls.
 
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  • Do you believe Satan and his minions are physical beings?
  • Is the dragon in Revelation 20:2 a literal physical dragon?
  • Is the serpent in Revelation 20:2 a literal physical serpent?
  • Do you believe Satan literally has 7 heads and 7 necks?
  • Is the key mentioned in Revelation 20:1 a literal metal door key?
  • Is the chain mentioned in Revelation 20:1 a literal metal chain?
  • Is the prison mentioned in Revelation 20:7 a literal brick prison?
  • Do you believe demons need to be detained in a literal physical prison with literal metal chains in order to be restrained?
  • Can a prisoner in a prison have great wrath while in chains?
  • Does imprisonment mean immobility?
  • Does it mean a prisoner cannot do harm?
  • Can a dog on a chain walk or roam about?
  • Can a prisoner in a prison walk or roam about?
  • Can a prisoner deceive others in prison?
  • Does a prisoner have the ability to kill, steal, destroy, rape and embezzle in prison?
Nothing but silence in response to your questions, as usual. The answer to all of those questions, of course, is no. But, Premils would have to answer yes to all of them to be consistent with their overall understanding of Revelation 20.
 

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When Satan is released before the second coming for a little season then so is the beast, and Satan's minions.
Right. That has to be true because Satan and his beast work together. They need each other.

Revelation 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Anything that happens to the dragon (Satan) affects the beast and vice versa. So, if the beast is in the bottomless pit, which we all know it was at the time John wrote the book, according to Revelation 17:8, then it only follows that the dragon is in the bottomless pit as well.

We see the devils in Revelation 9:2-3, the beast in 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12, Revelation 11:7 and Revelation 17:8, and Satan in Revelation 9:10-11 and Revelation 20:3 all being released before the second coming for a little season. Then comes the end! But Christ comes in majestic and eternal glory to overthrow the kingdom of darkness forever. The demonic realm is all killed when Satan is destroyed at the climactic second coming (Isaiah 26:19-27:1, 2 Thessalonians 2:8, Revelation 19:20, 20:9-10).
Agree. And, in regards to 2nd Thessalonians 2, notice what is restrained and then later is unrestrained/loosed....

2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

Paul indicates that what is restrained before later being unrestrained/loosed is iniquity. Wickedness. The mystery of iniquity was already at work in Paul's day, yet it was restrained. Restrained by the powerful preaching of the gospel through the power of the Holy Spirit which brought light into the dark world. What causes this unrestrained iniquity/wickedness that Paul wrote about? It's caused by "the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish". This shows that "the working of Satan" had previously been restrained and bound and then later is loosed.

When looking at the description of the binding of the strong man in passages like Matthew 12:28-29 and the others in Mark and Luke, Premils do not try to claim that the strong man is completely incapacitated when he is bound. They think he is only bound from possessing people because they think that passage only relates to be bound from doing that (we know better). But, that shows that the strong man, Satan, can be bound without it meaning that he is completely tied up and incapacitated. So, why can they see Matthew 12:28-29 that way, but not Revelation 20?
 

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If the vessels of dishonor can become saved then is it possible for a tare (children of the wicked one) to become saved also?
Yes, of course. The vessels of dishonor fit the same description as the tares because they are in the snare of the devil as the passage from 2nd Timothy 2:20-26 shows. They can't be in the snare of the devil without also being children of the wicked one (the devil).
 
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Nothing but silence in response to your questions, as usual. The answer to all of those questions, of course, is no. But, Premils would have to answer yes to all of them to be consistent with their overall understanding of Revelation 20.
Silence speaks loud. They know they have no arguments. The battle has been long won on these forums.
 
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