Jesus is the answer. - But what's the question?

[St. SteVen]

What do you say? (topic link below)

Is Revenge a Sin?

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[Aunty Jane]

To be clear, I am a Christian Universalist, not a Unitarian Universalist.
Two different things. FYI

Christian Universalism, Universal Restoration, Universal Reconciliation, Ultimate Redemption. (UR)
Not Unitarian Universalism. (UU) You, you. - LOL

And there you have the greatest mystery of all.....many who claim to be branches of branches....and all believe that their ‘branch of the branch’ is the correct one.....who says? What if all the branches get lopped off because the branch they were attached to was the wrong one and it gets cut off?

The “wheat” were sown by Jesus.....the “weeds” were sown by “the devil” “while men were sleeping”.....this is a spiritual sleep that began to manifest at the end of the first century.....and one from which they never awakened.....the nightmare they created splintered into thousands of bickering sects, all claiming to be right but disagreeing with each other over many things......that is not the definition of Christianity!

God’s spirit unites his worshippers...it does not divide them as though God speaks with a forked tongue.....it’s the other fellow who has that.

I agree that the Jesus must be acknowledged as Lord. Every knee will bow and tongue confess...
Notice where and when the acknowledgement (confession) happens.
Under the earth? (in the realm of the dead)

Philippians 2:10-11 NIV
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

Since the Jews had no belief in an immortal soul (it was borrowed from the pagan Greeks) there was no “realm of the dead”.....”sheol” is translated as “the grave” in the Jewish Tanakh. Those “under the earth” are those buried in their graves awaiting the promised resurrection. There is no conscious existence in that place. (Eccl 9:5, 10) There is nothing but silence in the grave.

Psalm 115:17....
“The dead do not praise Jah;
Nor do any who go down into the silence of death.”

There are two resurrections....one for those chosen to rule with Christ in his heavenly kingdom, who will “rise first”.....(1 Thess 4:15-16; Rev 20:6).....and those over whom these will rule as “kings and priests”.

There is no immortal soul......the devil invented that lie to get Eve to disobey God.....he told she would “surely not die”, but God said they would.....so, who lied?

 

[St. SteVen]

And there you have the greatest mystery of all.....many who claim to be branches of branches....and all believe that their ‘branch of the branch’ is the correct one.....who says?

I make no such claim. (their ‘branch of the branch’ is the correct one)
Though I agree that many do.
I thought you did. Am I wrong?

Best to not get out on a limb. - LOL

There is no immortal soul......the devil invented that lie to get Eve to disobey God.....he told she would “surely not die”, but God said they would.....so, who lied?

If A&E had not eaten thereof, would they have died?

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[Aunty Jane]

I make no such claim. (their ‘branch of the branch’ is the correct one)
Though I agree that many do.
I thought you did. Am I wrong?

Best to not get out on a limb. - LOL

I agree whole heartedly.....taking the elevated view, what does God see? Branches of other branches all contending that they alone have it right, but will readily admit that all “Christians” are saved because they are somehow attached to the tree. Amid all that bickering, where will we find Christ?....existing in literally thousands of ‘branches’ yet remaining who he is....will the real Jesus please put up his hand....

If A&E had not eaten thereof, would they have died?

According to Genesis, the first humans had the opportunity to “live forever” in mortal flesh here on planet earth.....the means was already provided, but continuing life was conditional upon their continued obedience to God’s commands. At that time, there was only one rule.....but they were tempted to disobey by an outside influence, and lost their opportunity because they were evicted from the garden and all its bountiful provisions....and their means of gaining “everlasting life” (not immortality) was now, off limits. (Gen 3:22-24)

 

[Taken]

Jesus is the answer. - But what's the question?

SINCE…
A soul of manKIND can NOT Be sav-ED…without a bodily death…
AND
A natural spirit of manKIND can NOT be quicken-ED (born again)…
Without a bodily death…

THE QUESTION

HOW DID soul saving and spirit quickening BECOME “MADE” possible FOR SOME who ARE still bodily Living?

THE ANSWER

By, Through, Of, JESUS’ OFFERING, and the man’s ACCEPTANCE of becoming MADE;
“bodily CRUCIFIED WITH JESUS.”

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[St. SteVen]

What do you think? (forum topic link below)

Skepticism versus gullibility

Just heard a sermon that came down pretty hard on skepticism.
Trying to process how I feel about that. Thanks for listening. (send help)

It appears that there is no room for healthy skepticism in the church.
But for some reason the skeptics weren't called gullible. No one was, actually.
We are offered apologetics to counteract skepticism. (unbelief)

I was raised evangelical Protestant.
I remember my state of shock when I found out where the Bible actually came from.
Not what the church told me.

I had never heard of the canon of scripture.
I thought a cannon was a war relic, not a religious relic. - Ha!

Same with the hell doctrine.
No one informed me that there were three biblical doctrines of the final judgment.
They did bad-mouth Universalism though.

I had no idea that Universalism was actually a Christian doctrine from the early church in the East.
Which is where the church came from, hello?

And what about inerrancy? Don't get me started... Grr...
Anyone else want to rant on either aspect? Thanks.

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[St. SteVen]

New forum topic.

The Parenthetical Greatest Commandment = Love Yourself!

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[Wick Stick]

Should I get my πάντας in a wad?

It happens every time.

 

[St. SteVen]

From the OP.

What question(s) does Jesus answer by BEING the answer?

Is Jesus a complete answer?
Or does this leave us with MORE questions?

Are the questions more important than the answers?

How would you answer these questions? (or provide your own questions)

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[St. SteVen]

What question(s) does Jesus answer by BEING the answer?

Is Jesus a complete answer?
Or does this leave us with MORE questions?

Are the questions more important than the answers?

How would you answer these questions? (or provide your own questions)

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[Aunty Jane]

What question(s) does Jesus answer by BEING the answer?

The question of how God gets his first purpose for material creation back on track after a serious derailment? But first we have to know what his first purpose was….and why a derailment was even possible in God’s perfect creation.

Is Jesus a complete answer?

He is the solution….not really the answer.

Or does this leave us with MORE questions?

I have no unanswered questions….if you have unanswered questions, then you don’t have the truth.

Are the questions more important than the answers?

You don’t get answers unless you ask questions.
Jesus asked lots of them…it gets people thinking. But if all it does is make them think without arriving at solid Bible based answers, then they are looking in the wrong place for them. We need to do our homework, not lazily rely on others to furnish our beliefs.…to be like the Beroeans. (Acts 17:10-11)

 

[Helen]

Do people really believe that Gods Great Plan “ got derailed “. !!!

 

[quietthinker]

I have no unanswered questions….if you have unanswered questions, then you don’t have the truth.

This conclusion is either bold arrogance or an awareness so short, tripping over oneself becomes standard fare, yet being unaware of it.

 

[Aunty Jane]

This conclusion is either bold arrogance or an awareness so short, tripping over oneself becomes standard fare, yet being unaware of it.

If you say so QT….you obviously have unanswered questions….that is not my problem. Bold arrogance in my case is simply confidence after a long history of Bible study where I got to answer all those questions through my own research.…the ones other people find frustrating because their doctrines get in the way.

 

[quietthinker]

If you say so QT….you obviously have unanswered questions….that is not my problem. Bold arrogance in my case is simply confidence after a long history of Bible study where I got to answer all those questions through my own research.…the ones other people find frustrating because their doctrines get in the way.

I guess your reply here is none other than reinforcing your bold arrogance.....a long cry from humility!

 

[Behold]

What question(s) does Jesus answer by BEING the answer?

The quesion is.......... How does God remove a Sinners sin for eternity, so that the Sinner can become a "Son-Daughter" of God for eternity.

 

[St. SteVen]

The quesion is.......... How does God remove a Sinners sin for eternity, so that the Sinner can become a "Son-Daughter" of God for eternity.

In the Atonement, the death penalty for sin was paid in full.

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[Behold]

In the Atonement, the death penalty for sin was paid in full.

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Yes.

It was "paid in full" for the sin of the World...... = One Believer at a time.

Who is that one ?

Jesus answered.......>"You must be born again"........."or you will die in your sins"......and that means.......on THIS EARTH, you have the opportunity to Trust in Christ.

 

[St. SteVen]

Yes.

It was "paid in full" for the sin of the World...... = One Believer at a time.

Who is that one ?

Jesus answered.......>"You must be born again"........."or you will die in your sins"......and that means.......on THIS EARTH, you have the opportunity to Trust in Christ.

Here's how I see it. It's not about us, it never was. Only God can save.

Romans 5:18-19 NIV
Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people,
so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.
19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners,
so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

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[Behold]

Here's how I see it. It's not about us, it never was. Only God can save.

God only saves you while you are on this earth......and this Salvation is found as : "The Cross of Christ".

This is why Jesus said....."I am THE Way to the Father, and no person comes to the Father, but by/through me"..

The Proof this has happened to someone is found here.....

= Jesus said....."you MUST be born again",....and He's not talking to people who have already died as a Christ rejector.

Romans 5:18-19 NIV
Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people,

"one tresspass" is 1st Adam's.

so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.

The "one righteous act" is Jesus's sinless sacrifice on The Cross.

19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners,

"one man's disobedience' is "Adam's Transgression"...

so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

Jesus said......"not my will but your's Father i will do"........so, Jesus went to The Cross, and by His Sacrifice many will be made Righteous.

The MANY.........is "all who believe in Jesus, shall be saved"....and if you never do believe while you are alive...., then "you shall die in your sins" Jesus said........ and face God as your Judge after you die.
See, if Jesus does not become your sin bearer and your Savior, on Earth, then He is not your sin bearer and your Savior in eternity.