The Iran situation

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Matthias

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I thank God that you don’t.

Depends on the enemies.

The enemies are all who oppose the teaching and preaching done by the Messiah and the apostles.

To answer one of your previous questions, no I don't think killing our enemies always gives us the results we're looking for.

When you say “we” I take that to be you and others, not you and I.

The result I’m looking for - a change of heart - requires people to be alive.

However, sometimes it does. Like with ISIS. There is no other solution to that problem.

God might very well have temporarily addressed that problem through the use of lethal force. The world’s civil governments - all of them (the Roman Empire, Russia, China, United States, Iran, North Korea, Canada, Japan, Malawi, etc. Christians sometimes struggle with that concept) - are also identified in scripture as God’s ministers.

Also, I can't say I'm surprised that you're nor calling for a ceasefire.

That comes as good and welcome news to me.

Although I find your positron on this war to be a little confusing.

I don’t know that this will clear up any of the confusion or not but my position on this war is no different from my position on any other war.

Do you believe Christians should never fight under any circumstances?

Fight? I fight every day, using the armor of God.

I don’t think that’s what you had in mind though when you asked the question.

I’m not even sure if you’re asking me a military or non-military question. Maybe you’re asking me about both.

It might help if I rephrase your question:

A. Do I believe Christians should never enlist and serve in the militaries of the nations?

I do. There are, however, examples of conscientious objectors who have enlisted and served in certain non-combat roles in the militaries of the nations. I respect that decision but wouldn’t advise doing it.

B. Do I believe Christians should never be employed by civilian police departments?

I do. But just as with the military, there are examples of conscientious objectors being employed in roles that would not ever require them to use lethal force in caring out their duties. I respect that decision but wouldn’t advise doing it.

C. Do I believe that Christians should never defend themselves and / or others their family members or even total strangers if someone attacks them with a lethal weapon?

I don’t. I advocate using non-lethal means of defending self and others in those instances.

This is the scenario that those who advocate Christians killing their enemies really struggle with. (The other two scenarios they generally simply resort to alleging cowardice. What a slap in the face to the Christian martyrs / conscientious objectors.) It’s the rare conversation on this scenario when they don’t throw in the fiend who wants to rape my grandmother, my mother, my sisters, and my wife before murdering them … all while I sit in a chair and watch, rising only occasionally to retrieve refreshments from the refrigerator for myself and the fiend.

P.S.

Did that explanation clear up the matter for you or contribute further to your confusion about what I believe, practice, and counsel?
 
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Well, here we are again about to embark on yet another misadventure in this stupid desert that can never just be peaceful.

I think that President Trump should keep us out of the war. Netanyahu attacked the nation of Iran while negotiations between Iran and the US were still ongoing.

His intentions are obvious. He wishes to drag the United States into a wider conflict in the Middle East. And like clockwork, the Christian evangelicals are completely onboard for what could turn into another world war if other powers get involved, which they most likely will.

It's terribly disappointing to see this level of stupidity and ignorance. One would think you people would have learned from Afghanistan and Iraq, but no. No lessons were learned, and we're just gonna do it all again.
Would you rather Iran obtained nuclear weapons?
 

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A nice introduction, for those who are interested, to the historical peace churches.


I don’t agree with everything they believe but I do have a certain affinity with them. I am a conscientious objector.
 

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No.

@Matthias it sounds like you're a pacifist.

I am, but there are varying degrees of pacifism. In some ways it’s an unfortunate term. It has a connotation to it which causes many people to think that it describes a person who does absolutely nothing at all in the face of evil. There are some pacifists who are like that but, in my experience, the majority of us aren’t. It’s a sliding scale, not a fixed scale.

Thank you for sharing your observation. It gave me a nice opportunity to briefly address the subject.
 
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Big Boy Johnson

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He told the disciples he would return in their lifetimes

No, actually He did not say He would return in their life time.
If He actually told them that and did not do it then that makes Jesus a liar.

That's how we know He did not actually tell them He would be back during their life time because He did not come back during their life time Those that know the Lord know that He cannot lie. Very simple.




No. Bibi has made it quite clear that he wants to eliminate the supreme leader and force regime change. He said exactly the same thing about Saddam Hussein in a meeting with Congress before the US invaded.

Well then Israel can go invade Iran if they want to.

The world would be a much better place if Iran's current regime is taken out.




I'm not going to relax

OK, then live in fear, anxiety worry just like those that don't know the Lord.

Living in fear is being carnally minded which is walking in death (Romans 8:6) and it ends badly so be fore warned.
Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

2 Timothy 1:7
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind

Those that are led by the Holy Spirit are the sons of God (Romans 8:14) and they don't live in fear, anxiety worry!




But we've been through a lot. 9/11, the war on terror, the great recession. We tend to be less trusting than previous generations.

I've been thru all that and much more and I walk in faith, not fear.

Sounds like "us millennials" need to stand up, put their big boy britches on and become men instead of scared crybabies!

Ephesians 6:10
Be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might

Daniel 11:32
Those that know their God shall be strong, and do exploits

1 Peter 5:7
Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.

Philippians 4:6
Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.

John 14:27
Peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you. Not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your hearts be troubled, neither let them be afraid.

Colossians 3:15
Let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.

2 Corinthians 10:5
Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

Isaiah 26:3
Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee.

Psalm 23:4
Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me.

Psalms 55:22
Cast thy burden upon the LORD, and he shall sustain thee: he shall never suffer the righteous to be moved.

"Us millennials" are no more special than any other peoples group. Everyone has had to face the fear of dying and people who are scared out of their mind concerning dying are not right with the Lord.

Those who are right with the Lord are excited about the prospects of leaving this sin sick, dark, God forsaken world to go be with Jesus. Not in a suicidal way as suicide sends people to hell. Sure we want to live out our days and be of service to others, but if faced with certain death in that moment those who are right with the Lord should be very excited knowing they are about to leave here and be with Jesus! :Happy:

I sincerely hope you get to this place in your life. It's done thru God's promises by which we partake of HIS divine nature - 2 Peter 1:4





North Korea has been saying the same thing since 1950.

Yes and China keeps them contained. Nobody is keeping Iran contained.

If North Korea builds nukes we will most likely make a parking lot out of their nation.

If we don't, they'll make a parking lot out of our nation

You need to quit being afraid of death. Those afraid of death are not right with the Lord.

You should settle that between you and the Lord and quit walking in any sin you may have in your life and be faithful to the Lord so if you died you'll go to Heaven. This is also true if you live to be really old because one thing we all have in common is we are all going to die.

Nobody gets out of this alive as it's appointed unto man once to die (Hebrews 9:27)
Those living in fear go to the lake of fire (Revelation 21:8)




If they have the Lord's protection, then why worry about Iran getting a nuclear weapon? Also, where was this protection on October 7th?

Everyone reaps what they sow including nations. Israel has chosen to not accept the Lord so there's always going to be someone coming after them to destroy them. Until they accept the Lord they will have no peace with their enemies until the Lord returns at which time they accept Him.

When Jesus returns He will return to modern day Israel so ultimately they will not be destroyed, that does not mean they can just kick back and not defend themselves. They have to do their part in order for the Lord to come along side and work with them.

It's like walking across the street - I have the Lord's protection but if I don't look both ways I might get run over by a car and that would be my fault for being stupid and not doing what I know to do.

Bottom line here is you are worrying and living in fear over things you have no control over and are not walking in faith, not abiding in Christ. That ends badly and it's an open door for satan to do bad things to you just like what happened to Job

God put a hedge of protection around Job, but Job later started walking in fear (worried that his kids would curse God and die which they ended up doing) and because he started walking in fear the hedge of protection God had put around him was no longer in place so satan had an open door to attack Job.

Job quit living in agreement with the Lord cooperating by doing what he knows to do and satan benefited from this situation and ultimately it was Job's fault because he started walking in fear. Some actually blame God for Job's troubles but they are liars who speak for the devil so no need to pay attention to them.
 

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Does god want them to have them? Are you sure?

Yeah satan is the "god" that wants Iran to have nukes so they can destroy Israel and the US

The dividing line right now in our nation (the US) and the world is those following the devil want Iran to have nukes.

Those following the Lord or at least claim to be, want Iran to not be able to produce or obtain nukes.
 

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Yeah satan is the "god" that wants Iran to have nukes so they can destroy Israel and the US

The dividing line right now in our nation (the US) and the world is those following the devil want Iran to have nukes.

Those following the Lord or at least claim to be, want Iran to not be able to produce or obtain nukes.

I don’t think there’s much, if any, doubt that the god of this world wants Iran to have nuclear weapons. And the United States. And Russia. And China. And Israel. And North Korea. And Great Britain. And France. And India. And Pakistan. And ... the more the better. His purpose for wanting that is clear.
 

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8 years ago, iran unveiled its F-313 stealth fighter.

Did it live up to the hype?