amigo de christo
Well-Known Member
kiss not the golden bull . KISS THE SON .
Apokatastasis in the early church
- Thread starter St. SteVen
- Start date
-
Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.
You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!
David in NJ
Well-Known Member
We are the Clean UP crew = God sends us to CLEAN UP the falsehood
Wick Stick
Well-Known Member
As nearly as I can tell... Job isn't even a Hebrew book. Job lives before there's such a thing as Israel. He doesn't speak to any chosen people... only to righteousness (or the the lack thereof).
David in NJ
Well-Known Member
Good Morning
All who are in Christ are God's holy people(righteous) = GOSPEL
The preaching of the Gospel began in Genesis = It is called the Kingdom of God
And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts; knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. - 2 Peter 1:19-21
Wick Stick
Well-Known Member
The Jews have never reckoned Job among the Prophets, but rather among the Writings. The New Testament doesn't quote Job as a prophet, either. There's no evidence the early church treated it as such.
I might suggest that you put this question to your pastor. Not everything in the Bible is prophecy.
David in NJ
Well-Known Member
#1 - The Jews are in darkness = they are not the Author of Scripture = only those Jews who believed the WORD are righteous
Brothers, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is for their salvation.
2For I testify about them that they are zealous for God, but not on the basis of knowledge.
3Because they were(are) ignorant of God’s righteousness and sought to establish their own,(continuing)
they did not submit to God’s righteousness.
4For Christ is the end of the law, to bring righteousness to everyone who believes. - Romans ch10
#2 - The NT absolutely quotes Job in the Sufferings of CHRIST = "My God My God, why have You forsaken ME"
#3 - My Pastor is Christ = you can tell your pastor to come and learn from this "little stone" in Christ = Matt 18:1-5
This forum has been given a Blessed opportunity to increase in understanding = Ephesians 4:11-15 = don't miss out!!!
No, he was never called a prophet, and he was wrong about some things as well.
Much love!
I think these were called The Books of Wisdom, Job through Ecclesiastes, I think.
The "Law and the Prophets" were the books of the Old Covenant, "All that you say we will do", these were the "All that You say" part.
Much love!
David in NJ
Well-Known Member
It is irrelevant for God has Spoken thru Job in giving Prophecy
You and the others on here are also blind to the fact that James included Job with the prophets = James 5:10-11
And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts; 20knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, 21for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. - 2 Peter 1:19-21
@marks, can you see your dilemma??? Christ spoke Prophecy in Matt ch24 and you say "not for the Church to whom Christ is speaking to"
God Speaks a Prophetic TRUTH/Allegorical Truth thru Job and again you say "not speaking of Christ"
the Apostle Peter , James and the Word of God says = get right with the TRUTH = Thy Word is TRUTH"
Therefore be patient, brethren, until the coming of the Lord. See how the farmer waits for the precious fruit of the earth, waiting patiently for it until it receives the early and latter rain. 8You also be patient. Establish your hearts, for the coming of the Lord [f]is at hand.
9Do not grumble against one another, brethren, lest you be condemned. Behold, the Judge is standing at the door! 10My brethren, take the prophets, who spoke in the name of the Lord, as an example of suffering and patience. 11Indeed we count them blessed who endure. You have heard of the perseverance of Job and seen the end intended by the Lord—that the Lord is very compassionate and merciful.
12But above all, my brethren, do not swear, either by heaven or by earth or with any other oath. But let your “Yes” be “Yes,” and your “No,” “No,” lest you fall into judgment.
God has given you great opportunity here for you to listen and to understand His Truth
David in NJ
Well-Known Member
You've been unrighteousessly calling me blind for a long time, and that reveals your heart, and your pride.
James 5:10-11 KJV
10) Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience.
11) Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.
Take for example the prophets. You have heard of the patience of Job.
These are two statements that do not show equivalency. You are reading that into the text, which is eisegesis, in other words, you opinion.
You've been to the circus. You've been to the movies. You've been to the beach. Just because we say these one after the other, does not make them all the same thing.
I hope you can hear this!
This is your opportunity to learn and I hope you do. Something tells me you will be as shut off and prideful as you've been, but I'm giving it another shot.
Please read carefully the Scriptures I post to you, so you can see the real meaning.
Do you just make this up as you go along?
What is it that every prophet says? "Thus saith the Lord . . ." There is one exception, Jesus, Who is the LORD.
Pay attention to these things.
David in NJ
Well-Known Member
@marks, you do it to yourself everytime you exalt the error of dispensation above Christ
You are doing it now to yourself with Job and James.
Children SEE where adults stumble over the Word
marks, your understanding will increase to LIGHT thru Christ's command = Matt 18:1-5
David in NJ
Well-Known Member
Forgive me brother
Have you read Job??? = i am assuming you have , maybe i'm wrong in that assumption
David in NJ
Well-Known Member
Quote where Job is called a prophet, or where Job stated, "thus says the LORD". Before deflecting to other passages. Changing the subject tells me you know you are wrong but will not admit it.
Of Course I've read Job, have you?
Where does it say Job was a prophet? Where did Job say "thus saith the LORD"?
The more you deflect, the more I understand you know your error but are not willing to admit it.
Any one can make assumptions. Anyone can speak falsely. Not everyone is willing to admit error, and not everyone is willing to accept correction.
Show the Scriptures. Don't just make false claims without evidence. When you try to find the evidence, and you see it's not there, that will be your opportunity to learn and grow - IF you will accept it.
Similar threads
