Jesus submitted to his God

[ScottA]

I’ve heard your personal story. I acknowledge, for the record, that you are right in saying that I have rejected it. Scripture contains everything that is needful for a follower of Jesus to know at this time. You aren’t on a mission from God and Messiah to reveal anything new.

Nothing "new", but only now revealed, as it is written.

 

[ScottA]

Figures of speech are real. God uses them to communicate intelligently with mankind.

"Figures of speech" are not in the scriptures--that is a figure of speech of speech of men to give analogy and understanding--real to men and this world--to what God has clearly stated as given in "likeness" and "parable."

 

[Matthias]

Nothing "new", but only now revealed, as it is written.

There is a lot of that going on in the world right now. It’s all false.

 

[Matthias]

"Figures of speech" are not in the scriptures--that is a figure of speech of speech of men to give analogy and understanding--real to men and this world--to what God has clearly stated as given in "likeness" and "parable."

There are many excellent books written on the subject of biblical hermeneutics for you to argue with.

 

[ScottA]

Again, I thank you for saying plainly - for reiterating - to me (and to all of your readers) that you do go beyond what is written. That is your own testimony about yourself. To borrow your words, so shall it be written.

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A word now to my other readers -

Do not go beyond what is written (1 Corinthians 4:6) and test the spirits to see whether they are from God (1 John 4:1).

It must be that you lack comprehension skills, for again you misquote me--or lie.

I did not say "beyond what is written"--but rather what "is" written and yet not before revealed--"as it is written."

 

[Matthias]

It must be that you lack comprehension skills, for again you misquote me--or lie.

I did not say "beyond what is written"--but rather what "is" written and yet not before revealed--"as it is written."

It was your own testimony that I don’t go beyond what is written and that about yourself, “But yes, I do go beyond” (post #113).

Beyond what? Beyond what I don’t go beyond. And what is that? What is written.

As far as I’m concerned, your visions are no different than those of the rapture cult based in South Africa and sweeping around the globe. The source is the same.

 

[ScottA]

It is for me to say. It is for all of the Messiah’s disciples to say.

Only of your own freewill, but not by authority from God.

I don’t deny John’s witness. I deny yours.

Oh but you do deny John's witness (God knows), for you as much as left it out of you above comments as if it did not even exist in scripture; and because John's witness not revealed, is the same witness given by me, but now revealed--just as it was foretold to come, and has come.

 

[ScottA]

There is a lot of that going on in the world right now. It’s all false.

For which the warning was given against those who deny "all", "Do not quench the Spirit."

 

[ScottA]

There are many excellent books written on the subject of biblical hermeneutics for you to argue with.

Teachings of men, by men.

 

[Matthias]

Only of your own freewill, but not by authority from God.

It’s the responsibility of every follower of Jesus to test the spirits.

Oh but you do deny John's witness (God knows…)

Almost verbatim the words of prophet Joshua and the prophetess Hlengwe to those who tested their spirit and found it to be false.

... for you as much as left it out of you above comments as if it did not even exist in scripture; and because John's witness not revealed, is the same witness given by me, but now revealed--just as it was foretold to come, and has come.

You’re interpreting my action and getting it wrong.

 

[Matthias]

For which the warning was given against those who deny "all", "Do not quench the Spirit."

Everyone needs to test your spirit. You’ve made claims about yourself which demand it.

 

[ScottA]

It was your own testimony that I don’t go beyond what is written and that about yourself, “But yes, I do go beyond” (post #113).

Beyond what? Beyond what I don’t go beyond. And what is that? What is written.

As far as I’m concerned, your visions are no different than those of the rapture cult based in South Africa and sweeping around the globe. The source is the same.

I spoke for myself, because you misspoke of me, only quoting part. A pattern.

And yet another accusation. So noted. Again.

 

[Matthias]

Teachings of men, by men.

Excellent teachings of men, by men. Far superior to yours.

 

[ScottA]

You’re interpreting my action and getting it wrong.

I quoted you. It is written.

 

[Matthias]

I spoke for myself, because you misspoke of me, only quoting part. A pattern.

And yet another accusation. So noted. Again.

I quoted you in full in most of my responses. I even referred you back to your original post.

You know I’m not going to believe your testimony about yourself. You weren’t sent by God and Messiah to me.

 

[ScottA]

Everyone needs to test your spirit. You’ve made claims about yourself which demand it.

This you do, and yet you lack expectation for what was to come--what was foretold, even denying it is written.

 

[Matthias]

I quoted you. It is written.

Everything that I’ve written is available for anyone who wants to read and quote me. This isn’t my first forum experience. I’ve dealt with your kind before.

 

[ScottA]

Excellent teachings of men, by men. Far superior to yours.

As I have told you many times: What I have been speaking of is not mine, but His who sent me.

Is that not even one of the spiritual tests? It is.

 

[Matthias]

This you do …

This everyone better do.

… and yet you lack expectation for what was to come--what was foretold, even denying it is written.

That’s your imagination talking.

Here’s the real issue: You haven’t been privately given any information by God and Messiah to reveal.

 

[Matthias]

As I have told you many times: What I have been speaking of is not mine, but His who sent me.

You have. That’s what I’m rejecting. You’re blaspheming, as are “Brother Joshua” and “Sister Hlengwe” (and others caught up in their cult) - not that you are a member of their cult.

Is that not even one of the spiritual tests? It is.