Apokatastasis in the early church
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amigo de christo
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How depressing it is to hear this . All she is doing is reminding us with the scriptures of the lovely and pure
truth . And yet st s teven sees this as trolling . Very sad my friend .
Don't make me the bad guy.
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Apokatastasis in the early church
amigo de christo
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You didnt even come after my posts .
You came after one that simply brought scriptures .
I mean that is sad my friend .
OH i can understand , in part , why you might come after mine because i expose the harlots work .
But calling someone a troll for just bringing scriptures . come now and hang thy head in shame for a time .
David in NJ
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Apostacy is very simple = "did God really say...."
amigo de christo
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that is exactly how it do begin . HAS GOD really said
and then the utterance of nay nay sure ye shall not ..........
Whatever flows out the lips of any man , woman , child , angel , donkey , tree , heck even a cloud .
IF THEM WORDS CONTRADICT what GOD said IN any way , shape , form , or even fashion
ITS the voice of one WHO LIES and does naught b ut preach REBELLION TOWARDS THE HOLY GOD .
OH yes . The sheep know , and that by grace, LET GOD be TRUE but every man a liar .
NO , NO LIE is of the TRUTH . not even one LIE is of the TRUTH
and yet this generations sure seems to be buying into THE LIE .
For this their damantion slumbers not . Its time we get this people back into the bible
and to make our last hour stand to contend for the true faith .
amigo de christo
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Verily verily i say unto thee
we have us a co worker amongst us of this unholy sea .
One said my posts have nothing to do with this apostacy in the church .
I BEEN ALL OUT WARNING against SUCH A HARLOT who has indeed been at work for a long long time .
SHE the mother of all a bominations , she is the mot her of this ecumeincal CHRIST DENYING INTERFAITH .
Her apostacy has simply GROWN MASSIVE in these late and last years .
The mystery of iquity , is that WHICH HAS BEEN and NOW BLOSSOMS MASSIVE in these late and last hour .
What the early church was already battling
The apostacy beginning to t ry and come within
what john and others had fought against
THIS GENERATION HAS NOW WELCOMED
David in NJ
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The 'eck'-umenical apostacy is here and on every forum.
We, who have the Holy Spirit of Truth will not yield to their call for 'peace' thru assimilation and adherence to doctrines of men.
Thus the stone throwing for now, then you are BANNED and after that comes the condemnation by man of the Saints.
David in NJ
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Is any truth in this AI statement?
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Patristic Evidence: Apokatastasis or Annihilationism?…The ...
In the early church, apokatastasis was a theological doctrine of universal restoration, proposing that all created beings, including the devil, would eventually be reconciled to God. Prominent proponents included Clement of Alexandria, Origen, and St. Gregory of Nyssa.
AI Overview
Patristic Evidence: Apokatastasis or Annihilationism?…The ...
In the early church, apokatastasis was a theological doctrine of universal restoration, proposing that all created beings, including the devil, would eventually be reconciled to God. Prominent proponents included Clement of Alexandria, Origen, and St. Gregory of Nyssa.
What is apocatastasis, and is it biblical? | GotQuestions.org
What is apocatastasis, and is it biblical? Is the idea that God will restore everything to its original condition biblical?
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This doctrine was explicitly taught by St. Gregory of Nyssa, and in more than one passage. It first occurs in his "De animâ et resurrectione" (P.G., XLVI, cols. 100, 101) where, in speaking of the punishment by fire assigned to souls after death, he compares it to the process whereby gold is refined in a furnace, through being separated from the dross with which it is alloyed. The punishment by fire is not, therefore, an end in itself, but is ameliorative; the very reason of its infliction is to separate the good from the evil in the soul. The process, moreover, is a painful one; the sharpness and duration of the pain are in proportion to the evil of which each soul is guilty; the flame lasts so long as there is any evil left to destroy. A time, then, will come, when all evil shall cease to be since it has no existence of its own apart from the free will, in which it inheres; when every free will shall be turned to God, shall be in God, and evil shall have no more wherein to exist. Thus, St. Gregory of Nyssa continues, shall the word of St. Paul be fulfilled: Deus erit omnia in omnibus (1 Corinthians 15:28), which means that evil shall, ultimately, have an end, since, if God be all in all, there is no longer any place for evil (cols. 104, 105; cf. col. 152). St. Gregory recurs to the same thought of the final annihilation of evil, in his "Oratio catechetica", ch. xxvi; the same comparison of fire which purges gold of its impurities is to be found there; so also shall the power of God purge nature of that which is preternatural, namely, of evil. Such purification will be painful, as is a surgical operation, but the restoration will ultimately be complete. And, when this restoration shall have been accomplished (he eis to archaion apokatastasis ton nyn en kakia keimenon), all creation shall give thanks to God, both the souls which have had no need of purification, and those that shall have needed it. Not only man, however, shall be set free from evil, but the devil, also, by whom evil entered into the world (ton te anthropon tes kakias eleutheron kai auton ton tes kakias eyreten iomenos). The same teaching is to be found in the "De mortuis" (ibid., col. 536). Bardenhewer justly observes ("Patrologie", Freiburg, 1901, p. 266) that St. Gregory says elsewhere no less concerning the eternity of the fire, and of the punishment of the lost, but that the Saint himself understood this eternity as a period of very long duration, yet one which has a limit. Compare with this "Contra Usurarios" (XLVI, col. 436), where the suffering of the lost is spoken of as eternal, aionia, and "Orat. Catechet.", XXVI (XLV, col. 69), where evil is annihilated after a long period of time, makrais periodois. These verbal contradictions explain why the defenders of orthodoxy should have thought that St. Gregory of Nyssa's writings had been tampered with by heretics. St. Germanus of Constantinople, writing in the eighth century, went so far as to say that those who held that the devils and lost souls would one day be set free had dared "to instill into the pure and most healthful spring of his [Gregory's] writings the black and dangerous poison of the error of Origen, and to cunningly attribute this foolish heresy to a man famous alike for his virtue and his learning" (quoted by Photius, Bibl. Cod., 223; P.G. CIII, col. 1105). Tillemont, "Mémoires pour l'histoire ecclésiastique" (Paris, 1703), IX, p. 602, inclines to the opinion that St. Germanus had good grounds for what he said. We must, however, admit, with Bardenhewer (loc. cit.) that the explanation given by St. Germanus of Constantinople cannot hold. This was, also, the opinion of Petavius, "Theolog. dogmat." (Antwerp, 1700), III, "De Angelis", 109-111.
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Apocatastasis
A name given in the history of theology to the doctrine which teaches that a time will come when all free creatures will share in the grace of salvation; in a special way, the devils and lost souls
just poking around the ball called earth.
Cognate: 605 apokatástasis (from 600 /apokathístēmi, "restore") – restitution, referring to the "restoration of the physical earth in the Messianic kingdom (Millennium)" (G. Archer).
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Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 605: ἀποκατάστασις
ἀποκατάστασις, ἀποκαταστάσεως, ἡ (ἀποκαθίστημι, which see), restoration: τῶν πάντων, the restoration not only of the true theocracy but also of that more perfect state of (even physical) things which existed before the fall, Acts 3:21; cf. Meyer at the passage (Often in Polybius, Diodorus, Plutarch, others.)
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Biblical Context
Acts 3:21 records Peter’s declaration that Heaven must receive Jesus Christ “until the time of the restoration of all things, which God spoke through His holy prophets from ages past”. The phrase “restoration of all things” translates the noun ἀποκατάστασις, conveying a future, divinely planned return of creation to its intended order under the rule of the risen Messiah. Its singular New Testament occurrence gives it a concentrated importance: the early church presented the resurrection of Christ not merely as personal salvation but as the pivot of cosmic renewal.
Old Testament Foundations
Peter roots the promise in “all the prophets,” echoing themes that stretch back to:
• Isaiah 11:1-9 – universal peace under the Branch of Jesse.
• Ezekiel 37:1-14 – national and spiritual revival of Israel.
• Amos 9:11-15 – rebuilding the fallen booth of David and agricultural abundance.
• Malachi 4:5-6 – Elijah’s mission to “restore the hearts” before the day of the Lord.
These prophetic streams converge in the apostolic proclamation that the same God who formed and covenanted with Israel will ultimately set right everything fractured by sin.
Christological Fulfillment
The crucified and risen Jesus is the guarantor of the coming restoration. His glorified body (Luke 24:39), His ascension (Acts 1:9-11), and His present session at the Father’s right hand (Hebrews 10:12-13) preview the destiny of creation itself. Colossians 1:20 affirms that God intends “to reconcile to Himself all things … making peace through the blood of His cross.” In Acts 3, Peter calls listeners to repentance precisely so they may participate in that consummate renewal (Acts 3:19-20).
trying to get to truth of the matter. ouch shoulderrr
David in NJ
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100% TRUTH
Thank you for going the Beautiful Length of Scriptural Emphasis on the Coming Restoration
Your one sentence above, which i magnified, is fully sufficient for myself due to the knowledge base given to me.
However, what are you seeking from " Isaiah 11:1-9 – universal peace under the Branch of Jesse." ???
amigo de christo
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The new heavens and the new earth wherein dwelleth righteousness .
But beware my friend , for many now beleive that somehow JESUS is all about
this one world merger of all religoins , selling the idea we all serve the Same GOD .
And it beleives , OH they so beleive their kingdom come and their peace shall come .
SUDDEN DESTRUCTION shall come upon them all and they will not escape .
I have a newsflash
IF they say hey he is here or there , He is under the temple mount dancing with moses and muahmmed for world peace
BELEIVE THEM NOT . oh and some arleady said that too .
AS IF . AS IF JESUS would even have danced with that anti christ false prophet called muh ammed .
Plus JESUS is not about this ecumenical world peace interfaith .
THE DEVIL IS , HIS WHORE IS , HIS ANTI CHRIST IS and many anti christs sure are . BUT NOT THE SHEEP .
I dont jump on that wicked train . We xpose the nasty t hing , THe CHRIST denying false love ecumenical interfatih of anti christ
train . Sorry about all the verbs , pronouns and perhaps extra adjectives .
But truly i am wore out with watching so many in wool , JUMP ON that HARLOTS TRAIN .
amigo de christo
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They believe as do a child in this coming world peace .
They beleive as do a child it will come from Jerusalem
They beleive as do a child That GOD all mighty has the desire for this world peace , WHICH BY THE WAY
the only way to attain it , THEY HAD TO DENY the absolute necessity to Beleive on JESUS to spring the lie
that we all serve the same GOD differently .
THEY BELIEVE as do a child in this jesuit non sen se . TH OUGH m any do not realize its of jesuit
its of the vatican who has merged with jersualem to sell the world a lie .
THIS IS ALL OF that which is OF ANTI CHRIST , only they DONT SEE IT my friend . THEY bleieve ITS GODS PLAN
for world peace .
Kinda odd , dont ya think . THAT JESUS himself said DONT THINK i came to bring peace on earth
But rather division .
But it darn sure was foretold something wicked this way cometh and by PEACE IT WILL DESTROY MANY
IT WILL RAGE WAR AGAINST the saints . THEY been follwoing the wrong one my friend . the wrong one .
David in NJ
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The Holy Spirit and the Holy Scriptures are saying "No" = that will NOT be granted by the LORD
The GWTJ of Revelation chapter 20 has only One Location for Eternal Life = the Book of Life
Then I saw a great white throne and the One seated on it. Earth and heaven fled from His presence, and no place was found for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne.
And books were opened, and one of them was the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their deeds, as recorded in the books. The sea gave up its dead, and Death and Hades gave up their dead, and each one was judged according to his deeds.
Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death—the lake of fire.
And if anyone was found whose name was not written in the Book of Life,
he was thrown into the lake of fire.
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