What's More Important Than Escaping ETERNAL Hell Fire?

[Jack]

Those IN Hell are “departed Living souls”…
“THEY” are not “burning”…

HUH???

Luke 16:22-28 The rich man died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hell, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 Then he cried and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.'

 

[Taken]

Thousands of humans will unknowingly join the rich man today.

Inasmuch as God Prepared a Pleasant, Beautiful, Restful Place For Living Departed
Sav-ED Souls to rest IN Peace and Comfort With God, (until Judgement Day) …

God also Prepared a unPleasant place For Living Departed UN-Saved Souls to BE With-OUT God, (Until Judgement Day)…

Agree… Thousands (Billions) will have an experience they can not imagine how horrific it shall be.

 

[Jack]

Inasmuch as God Prepared a Pleasant, Beautiful, Restful Place For Living Departed
Sav-ED Souls to rest IN Peace and Comfort With God, (until Judgement Day) …

God also Prepared a unPleasant place For Living Departed UN-Saved Souls to BE With-OUT God, (Until Judgement Day)…

Agree… Thousands (Billions) will have an experience they can not imagine how horrific it shall be.

Amen!

 

[Taken]

HUH???

Luke 16:22-28 The rich man died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hell, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 Then he cried and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.'

Yes “he” is in the flames…
Like a firefighter is in the flames of a burning building , but yet not “in” the flames, burning up.

Remember… Gods Life is Still “IN” their soul.

God does NOT burn up His OWN Life.

 

[Jack]

Yes “he” is in the flames…
Like a firefighter is in the flames of a burning building , but yet not “in” the flames, burning up.

Remember… Gods Life is Still “IN” their soul.

God does NOT burn up His OWN Life.

He was in TORMENTS and crying! You're not making any sense at all.

 

[Taken]

Jack… later after Judgement…
Gods Life Departs unsaved souls.. and the Dead (lifeless) body, and dead lifeless soul are THEN burned up … IN the Lake of Fire.

 

[Taken]

He was in TORMENTS and crying! You're not making any sense at all.

Ofcourse he was in torments… hot, with no relief, thirsty, with no relief, putrid smells, with no relief, screams of agony, with no relief…

How is that Senseless?
How is that Not Torments?

 

[Jack]

Ofcourse he was in torments… hot, with no relief, thirsty, with no relief, putrid smells, with no relief, screams of agony, with no relief…

How is that Senseless?
How is that Not Torments?

Doesn't really matter I guess. It's the end that matters.

Rev 20 They will be tormented day and night forever ....

 

[Taken]

Doesn't really matter I guess. It's the end that matters.

Rev 20 They will be tormented day and night forever ....

Torments applies to that Which “has Life in it.”

Once there is no life in the body, it is not tormented.
Once there is no life in the soul, it is not tormented.
They HAVE no born again, ever living spirit.
They [after Judgement] become burned to ash, forgotten.

It is fallen Angels that ARE Spirits, which can Not Die, that are Tormented forever.

 

[Lambano]

1 Timothy 5:6
6 But she who lives in pleasure is dead while she lives.

When “death” is used as a metaphor for something else, the plain meaning of “death” obviously informs the meaning of the metaphor.

Sheesh, what do they teach kids in English classes these days?

 

[Wrangler]

It is fallen Angels that ARE Spirits, which can Not Die, that are Tormented forever.

I'm disappointed but not surprised that @Jack hasn't accepted this truth after we had a deep dive a couple of years ago.

@Aunty Jane has done a very thorough job on numerous occasions explaining how it is an unfortunate and blasphemous Christian myth of ECT, Eternal Conscious Torment. It is the fire that is eternal. The wages of sin is death, not ECT. 2nd Death is unrecoverable, i.e., eternal. What contradictory mind conceives of a God who is loving and merciful to also attribute ECT to his character?

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

it is an unfortunate and blasphemous Christian myth of ECT, Eternal Conscious Torment.

When you get there you'll find out.

Jesus is not a liar and did not lie about eternal conscious torment.

 

[amigo de christo]

NOTHING!!!

and seeing all UNBELEIVERS shall have thier part in it
What message , g ospel SHOULD we be preaching to the world . OH YEAH BELEIVE YE ON JESUS THE CHRIST
and beleive GOD has rose him from the dead , conf essing HIM by mouth and YE shall be saved .
And also seeing that JESUS is not the minstir of sin
Folks better make darn sure the one they follow aint holding rainbows and hundred dollah bills
and goes around air conditioning and even omitting the lake of fire .
CAUSE that one AINT JESUS and thus IT cannot save them .

 

[amigo de christo]

Inasmuch as God Prepared a Pleasant, Beautiful, Restful Place For Living Departed
Sav-ED Souls to rest IN Peace and Comfort With God, (until Judgement Day) …

God also Prepared a unPleasant place For Living Departed UN-Saved Souls to BE With-OUT God, (Until Judgement Day)…

Agree… Thousands (Billions) will have an experience they can not imagine how horrific it shall be.

dont expect to see muslims buddists , atheists and those in that harlots church of ecumenicalism
In the good place either .
The false religoins because they did deny HIM
the false lovey do ecumenincal ones , cause they spouted hey we all gods kiddos and are comi ng to God
differently . MUCH BLOOD will be required at the hands of every man and of e very woman
that preached that satanic ecumenical interfaith interreligious dialgoue junk . just a real friendly,
but super dire necessary , reminder to us all . Get this people OUT of anything ecumenical and do it TODAY .

 

[Lambano]

The same Exact passage Can have Two meanings of understanding…
* Carnal Understanding, Deduced by logic…(and utterly irrelevant)
* Spiritual Understanding, Given a man, by, through, of the Lord God, to the man.

And the message “nothing is more important than to save my ass” is about as carnal as it gets.

 

[XtraPercept]

My thinking is this: While Romans 1:17-31 seems to be addressed to the Gentile Christians in Rome, chapter 2 is addressed to the Jewish-Christians. (The greetings in chapter 16 include both.) I've read enough writings by Jewish authors to understand that "The Law" (Torah) is often used as a metonym for the Law, the Prophets, and the Writings, i.e. the Hebrew Bible. So, especially in the context of verses 1-13, Paul is clearly stating to his Jewish-Christian audience that possession of God's word (i.e., the Bible) implies a greater responsibility before God in the judgment.

I also notice the fate of sinning Gentiles in this verse is ἀπόλλυμι, which means "to perish, to die" (see John 3:16) or "to be destroyed". Now, my conversation partner in this thread has stated elsewhere that death doesn't mean to stop living (and thus resurrection is meaningless). Fine; we disagree. I still think the Resurrection is real. But what I see here is different levels of responsibility and different fates for those who have the Bible versus those who do not. I am also taking into account the earlier discussion about Jesus's warnings to His fellow countrymen. The warnings make no sense and are thus useless to those who do not share the same world-view about God, the afterlife, and the Judgment to come.

The Greek word you posted looks like "apollumi," which I don't know yet, but it sounds like apollyon, so your definition rings true to me.

However, I would contend with you both on that both death and resurrection are present occurrences which take place within the span of mortal existence for those who are being saved.

This does require a metaphorical expansion unseen among seminary associated teachings, but the greater alignment is obscured to those confined by belief in irreverant ideas (i.e. by those upholding slander as truth in their hearts).

There is no sense looking to an afterlife when the Spirit of this one remains elusive to you.

 

[ProDeo]

NOTHING!!!

Jesus loves you Jack.

You are bought with a price.

You are sealed with the Holy Spirit.

Also in your Bible.

 

[amigo de christo]

Jesus loves you Jack.

You are bought with a price.

You are sealed with the Holy Spirit.

Also in your Bible.

And yet many within christendome
are not sealed WITH THE SPIRIT and are not HIS .
Preaching of another jesus COMETH NOT OF THE S PIRIT and that jesus cant save itself or you .
OH i do agree , LETS GET BACK IN THE BIBLE .
Time to see for ourselves exactly what god OR GOD , what jesus OR JESUS we been following and a loving all along .
One saves the other cannot .

 

[Aunty Jane]

When you get there you'll find out.

Jesus is not a liar and did not lie about eternal conscious torment.

He cannot lie about something he never said......the dead are not conscious, so they cannot be tortured.
Can you torture someone who is unconscious?
Nowhere does it say that there is a “hell of eternal torment”....do some research on “Gehenna”...it isn’t “hades”...and blame bad translation for the error that is blasphemous....as if a loving God enjoys fiendish torture with no way to repent! That is not the God Jesus served.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Right. Death doesn't mean "to cease living". Words don't mean what they mean, and the Bible never says what it means or means what it says.

An important point....what is “death” in the Bible? Context determines whether it is used metaphorically or literally.
For example....what was the penalty that God placed on eating fruit from the forbidden tree? (Gen 2:16-17) Death! The very opposite of life. There is no mention of an afterlife of any kind, just a simple statement....”for dust you are and to dust you will return”. Not just Adam’s body died....ADAM died. (Gen 3:19)

What about being “dead in your sins”? What death is this? Obviously not physical death, but not being “alive” spiritually, and therefore living a life alienated from God....a course that will lead to physical death if not corrected.....and hence a person being “dead, whilst they live”.

Since all humans actually die the same death as Adam....no one survives death apart from a resurrection, which is a return to life, not a continuation of it.
When Jesus resurrected his friend Lazarus, where was Lazarus before Jesus awakened him? (John 11:11-14)
Jesus said he was “sleeping”....and he called him out of his tomb. Lazarus hadn’t gone anywhere...he was simply “asleep” in death....in sheol/hades...the common grave where we will all go when we die. (Eccl 9:5, 10)

Jesus will be the one to rouse us from the sleep of death just as he promised.....even the unrighteous will come back to life to a period of judgment. (John 5:28-29) The incorrigibly wicked will not be raised at all but suffer eternal death....found undeserving of the gift of life. That is justice.

The faithful will come back to life and enjoy what God originally intended for the human race.....everlasting life in paradise on earth. (Rev 21:2-4) Who would complain about that?

Where does a concept of “hell” fit into that scenario?