End times. Christians will be like the soldiers of Gideon, around the world (sin in check? lights shining?)

[The Light]

Need a modern example?? Those charlatans preaching a Pre-tribulational Rapture theory go directly opposite of the time when Lord Jesus Himself showed His coming to gather His saints will be. They reject Jesus' 2nd coming for AFTER the great tribulation that He showed in Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27.
Pre-trib instead preaches a LIE that Jesus raptures the Church PRIOR to the tribulation. How many believers does that group entail? MANY, MANY!

The rapture of the Church will occur before the great tribulation. Apparently, you are unaware that He will come in an hour that your think not.

Matthew 24
48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

And who... do you think their charlatan preachers will present the coming pseudo-Christ to them as?? They will think that is Lord Jesus coming to fly them away!

If you understood the Word of God you would understand that the Lord Himself comes for His bride before the great tribulation. Then the Lord will return immediately after the tribulation of those days and send His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth. Then all return to heaven for the marriage supper.

Don't please, don't try and preach men's doctrines to me, for I know what God's written Word teaches, and it certainly does NOT teach that all believers on Jesus Christ will be protected from the coming "strong delusion" deception that Apostle Paul warned the Church about.

The Church will not be on the earth when the man of sin is revealed. We will be in heaven. Maybe you are unaware that we can escape ALL THESE THINGS that come to pass and STAND BEFORE THE SON of man.

Luke 21
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

 

[Davy]

The rapture of the Church will occur before the great tribulation.

Nope. Jesus' future coming to gather His Church will only happen AFTER... the tribulation like HE said.

Most brethren deceived by man's false pre-trib rapture theory I really feel sorry for, but those among them that are arrogant in that false doctrine, I don't feel sorry for, and they are going to feel the weight of Christ's anger when He does return in our near future because He plainly told us His coming to gather us will be AFTER the tribulation, and not prior to it.

Who then will you believe brethren? Men's false pre-trib rapture stories, or what Lord Jesus Christ Himself said? And your soul... is what is at risk with who you follow.

 

[The Light]

Nope. Jesus' future coming to gather His Church will only happen AFTER... the tribulation like HE said.

There are two folds that are taken to heaven.

John 10
14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

The first fold is the Gentiles as we currently know Him. The second fold will be of the 12 tribes across the earth that have their blindness removed. These are the seed of the woman Israel. Be not ignorant of this fact.

Romans 11
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Those that currently know Him are told to watch for Him as He will come in an hour that you think not.

Most brethren deceived by man's false pre-trib rapture theory I really feel sorry for,

Nothing false about a rapture before the great tribulation. We can see the Church in heaven BEFORE the seals are opened. And we are warned that if we don't watch that we will not know the hour that He comes.

Revelation 3
3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

but those among them that are arrogant in that false doctrine, I don't feel sorry for, and they are going to feel the weight of Christ's anger when He does return in our near future because He plainly told us His coming to gather us will be AFTER the tribulation, and not prior to it.

The Lord comes immediately after the great tribulation. It is the gathering from heaven and earth. The Church is gathered from heaven, and the second fold is gathered from the earth

Mark 13
27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

The fact that the Lord says He is coming after the great tribulation does not prevent Him from coming to take the first bride before the great tribulation as we can escape all these things that come to pass and stand before the Son of man.

Luke 21

36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Who then will you believe brethren? Men's false pre-trib rapture stories, or what Lord Jesus Christ Himself said? And your soul... is what is at risk with who you follow.

A wise man would believe the Lord. A wise man is watching as the Lord will come in an hour that you think not. You know He is coming immediately after the tribulation, but you do not know He is coming when you think not. It's clear that you do not understand the Word of God, nor do you believe Him. In your blindness, any that you lead from the truth, will be counted against you. You are not a wise man.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You agree we can resist the Devil, and you acknowledge that Christ is the one to fight the anti-christ and I assume that you agree that we will meet Christ in the air.

But you abandon people on Earth to be silent about the spread of the mark, as if God can't use Christians to be against it? And you don't agree that what we loose in Heaven is loose on Earth and what we bind in Heaven will be bound on Earth - nor that this applies to us in relation to the mark?

You have to realise the Devil is only going to intimidate people into taking the mark, if he thinks no one has sought God as to whether they should take it or what taking it means. You are stopping short at the idea that we should not take it; but if you are going to dwell on Earth you need to understand what taking it means, too!

I never said to be silent- that is a false assumption on you rpart. I said we are not to mobilize and militarily fight the antichrist and his government. The post rapture believers must speak out against him and his mark, but we are not to take arms.