Many Say ‘Just Believe’… But What Did Jesus Actually Teach?

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They now dance upon the ashes of sodom and gomorrah
THEY now cry aloud , PRIDE IS GONNA REIGN .
what they dont beleive , or even know is
THE VERY ASHES of such cities that cleave to their f eet .
THE REASON ITS BEEN ASHES is DUE TO
what was the SIN of sodom again . PRIDE . and folks think
we aint in the last days . I SAY WE ARE .
According to scripture we have been in the last days for 2000 yrs

acts 2:16-17

16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

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yall still going at it over this . Go to and behold more and more churches , the nations and the land of israel .
You do realize what got SODOM turned into ash right .
IF not , THEY SINGING about it right now over there . PRIDE is gonna reign they say .
We got an ecumeincal whore infiltrating churches as well with her inclusive interfaith anti christ plan .
And you two gonna sit and quibble over this . HOW do you view this supporting of pride month .
Lets start with that question .
pride in our sin month?

I only happy that july is dedicated to the precious blood of Jesus!

precious blood of Jesus save us!

Amen?
 

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According to scripture we have been in the last days for 2000 yrs

acts 2:16-17

16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

thks
oh yes indeed . And in this last and final hour
an all out spirit of reprobation to the upmost has been unleashed upon this world .
Go to and behold the book of second chronicles
and read within the pages of the eighteenth chapter .
A massive lying spirit has been sent to the false propehts of the nar realm , of the RCC
of the other denominations , and even of the false religoins .
AND THEY NOW PROPHESY as one , COME too and let us be one and we shall have peace n saf ety .
ONLY THEIR SUDDEN DESTRUCTION awiats them all ON JESUS DAY .
Them wicked men and women of belial who sit on both sides , the protestant and the RCC
have sold this peoples and the false religoins a lie , THE LIE and all will be damned .
But they thinnk hey its the way for us to attain world peace n safety .
AS i been saying . IF you or anyone you know is sitting near anyone or in any church
attached to this ecumenical move . GET THEM OUT and GET OUT yourself if you are in such a place .
THEIR DAMNATION IS COMING ON JESUS DAY .
And i dont desire their death or destruction , THUS i warn and shall continue to do so ,
and not a man can stop me . NOW up , On those feet , pick a bible up
and get busy learning for oneself . cause these ecumiencal hug a thon decievers
do nothing but lead this people to the LIE .
 
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oh yes indeed . And in this last and final hour
an all out spirit of reprobation to the upmost has been unleashed upon this world .
Go to and behold the book of second chronicles
and read within the pages of the eighteenth chapter .
A massive lying spirit has been sent to the false propehts of the nar realm , of the RCC
of the other denominations , and even of the false religoins .
AND THEY NOW PROPHESY as one , COME too and let us be one and we shall have peace n saf ety .
ONLY THEIR SUDDEN DESTRUCTION awiats them all ON JESUS DAY .
Them wicked men and women of belial who sit on both sides , the protestant and the RCC
have sold this peoples and the false religoins a lie , THE LIE and all will be damned .
But they thinnk hey its the way for us to attain world peace n safety .
AS i been saying . IF you or anyone you know is sitting near anyone or in any church
attached to this ecumenical move . GET THEM OUT and GET OUT yourself if you are in such a place .
THEIR DAMNATION IS COMING ON JESUS DAY .
And i dont desire their death or destruction , THUS i warn and shall continue to do so ,
and not a man can stop me . NOW up , On those feet , pick a bible up
and get busy learning for oneself . cause these ecumiencal hug a thon decievers
do nothing but lead this people to the LIE .
Here is what Jesus taught through Paul as to how to be saved & sealed today :)
...
Who did Christ select as the Apostle & Minister to the Gentiles ?
Acts 9:15

But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, ...
Rom 11:13
For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles...
Rom 15:16
That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God...
+++
The other Apostles agreed & knew who taught who
Gal 2:2

And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles,....
Gal 2:7
But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
Gal 2:9
And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
++++
What is the role of an Apostle/Minister ?
To teach THEIR audience.
BUT NOW there are NO SEPARATE audiences ALL are equal :-
Gal 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 6:15
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
1 Cor 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Col 3:11
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
++++
How are believers 'today' saved, sealed, justified, made righteous ?
By the SAVING Gospel that applies today.
Gal 1:11-12
11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

1 Cor 15:1-4
1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Eph 1:13
13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
++++
The PERFORMANCE conditions :-
Titus 3:

5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Gal 2:
16Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Rom 3:
28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Eph 2:

8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Rom 4:
5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 5:
1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
++++
Your 'deeds'/works/behavior/performance only decide your eternal rewards/loss
Rom 14:10
10But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
1 Cor 3:10-15
10According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
2 Cor 5:10
10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
 

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Here is what Jesus taught through Paul as to how to be saved & sealed today :)
...
Who did Christ select as the Apostle & Minister to the Gentiles ?
Acts 9:15

But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, ...
Rom 11:13
For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles...
Rom 15:16
That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God...
+++
The other Apostles agreed & knew who taught who
Gal 2:2

And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles,....
Gal 2:7
But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
Gal 2:9
And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
++++
What is the role of an Apostle/Minister ?
To teach THEIR audience.
BUT NOW there are NO SEPARATE audiences ALL are equal :-
Gal 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 6:15
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
1 Cor 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Col 3:11
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
++++
How are believers 'today' saved, sealed, justified, made righteous ?
By the SAVING Gospel that applies today.
Gal 1:11-12
11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

1 Cor 15:1-4
1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Eph 1:13
13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
++++
The PERFORMANCE conditions :-
Titus 3:

5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Gal 2:
16Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Rom 3:
28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Eph 2:

8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Rom 4:
5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 5:
1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
++++
Your 'deeds'/works/behavior/performance only decide your eternal rewards/loss
Rom 14:10
10But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
1 Cor 3:10-15
10According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
2 Cor 5:10
10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
Just remember get all out of that ecumeincal inclusive false love peace train of interfaith .
Its peace be of anti christ . be encouraged now .
 

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oh yes indeed . And in this last and final hour
an all out spirit of reprobation to the upmost has been unleashed upon this world .
Go to and behold the book of second chronicles
and read within the pages of the eighteenth chapter .
A massive lying spirit has been sent to the false propehts of the nar realm , of the RCC
of the other denominations , and even of the false religoins .
AND THEY NOW PROPHESY as one , COME too and let us be one and we shall have peace n saf ety .
ONLY THEIR SUDDEN DESTRUCTION awiats them all ON JESUS DAY .
Them wicked men and women of belial who sit on both sides , the protestant and the RCC
have sold this peoples and the false religoins a lie , THE LIE and all will be damned .
But they thinnk hey its the way for us to attain world peace n safety .
AS i been saying . IF you or anyone you know is sitting near anyone or in any church
attached to this ecumenical move . GET THEM OUT and GET OUT yourself if you are in such a place .
THEIR DAMNATION IS COMING ON JESUS DAY .
And i dont desire their death or destruction , THUS i warn and shall continue to do so ,
and not a man can stop me . NOW up , On those feet , pick a bible up
and get busy learning for oneself . cause these ecumiencal hug a thon decievers
do nothing but lead this people to the LIE .
@amigo de christo
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And i seen three spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the beast of the dragon and of teh false prophet .
FOR THEY ARE SPIRITS , SPIRITS SENT FORTH to gather this world as one unto the day of armegeddon .
ITS a lying spirit all right . And it has surely been unleashed upon this generation .
FOR WHEN HE CALLED they did not answer
WHEN HE sent his own unto their houses and places of worship , THEY cast them and HIS WORDS , right out
as being hateful , and haters and hatespeech .
For they did not desire to retain ANY knowledge of the HOLY GOD within their consicious .
REPROBATION has set in big time and it only grows by the day and by the hour .
All we can do now is , DO exactly as did THE TRUE CHRIST and Later his apostels did and taught .
Point to JESUS and all lovely sound biblical doctrine . Few will hear and many will reject .
 
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And i seen three spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the beast of the dragon and of teh false prophet .
FOR THEY ARE SPIRITS , SPIRITS SENT FORTH to gather this world as one unto the day of armegeddon .
ITS a lying spirit all right . And it has surely been unleashed upon this generation .
FOR WHEN HE CALLED they did not answer
WHEN HE sent his own unto their houses and places of worship , THEY cast them and HIS WORDS , right out
as being hateful , and haters and hatespeech .
For they did not desire to retain ANY knowledge of the HOLY GOD within their consicious .
REPROBATION has set in big time and it only grows by the day and by the hour .
All we can do now is , DO exactly as did THE TRUE CHRIST and Later his apostels did and taught .
Point to JESUS and all lovely sound biblical doctrine . Few will hear and many will reject .
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I think John showed us what Jesus said.

John 1: 12. But AS MANY AS HAVE RECIEVED HIM, to THEM he gave the right to become children, even TO THEM WHO BELIEVE (no works)

John 3, FOR God so loved the world he gave his only son that WHOEVER BELIEVES (trusts) in him will NEVER PERISH, and LIVE FOREVER (eternal life) for the son was not sent to judge, but that the world might be saved, he who BELIEVES is NOT CONDEMNED, he who does not believe is condemned already (no works)

John 4: 13 Jesus answered and said to her, “Whoever drinks of this water will thirst again, 14 but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will NEVER THIRST. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into EVERLASTING LIFE” (no works)

John 5: 24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he whoever HEARS MY WORD and BELIEVES IN HIM WHO SENT ME who sent Me HAS ETERNAL LIFE and SHALL NOT COME INTO JUDGMENT but HAS PASSED FROM DEATH TO LIFE (No works)

John 6: 35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. HE WHO COMES TO ME shall NEVER HUNGER and he who BELIEVES IN ME shall NEVER THIRST (NO WORKS)

John 6: 37: and THE ONE WHO COMES TO ME I WILL BY NO MEANS CAST OUT 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, thatof all He has given Me I SHAL LOSE NOTHING, but SHOULD RAISE IT UP ON THE LAST DAY. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that EVERYONE WHO SEES AND BELIEVES IN HIM MAY HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE AND I WILL (NOT MIGHT) RAISE HIM ON THE LAST DAY (NO WORKS)

John 6: 47 Most assuredly, I say to you, HE WHO BELIEVES IN ME HAS EVERLASTING LIFE. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that THAT ONE MAY EAT OF IT AND NOT DIE 51 am the living bread which came down from heaven. IF ANYONE EATS THIS BREAD HE WILL LIVE FOREVER (NO WORKS)

John 6: 63 It is the SPIRIT WHO GIVES LIFE ; the flesh profits nothing. THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK to you ARE SPIRIT AND THEY ARE LIFE (SIGNIFYING THE BREAD FROM HEAVEN, THE FLESH AND BOOD ARE THE WORDS JESUS SPOKE. NOT THE PHYSICAL FOOD OR WORKS,)



Recieve in faith the gift he came to offer. and you will be saved.. forever.
Life!

1) general redemption
(no works / no participation)

Christ brought us to the life of grace!

Christ by His life, death, (blood) and resurrection obtained the atonement and general redemption making the life of grace possible!

Jn 1:14
Jn 1:16
Jn 1:17
Jn 10:10
Jn 14:6
eph 2:1

rom 5:5-8

5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.

8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

God is love, grace is the life of God!

2) justification
(gratuitous / no works)

We consent to His redemption, receive instructions in the faith and are born again by baptism with the the infused supernatural gifts of faith, hope, & charty, with sanctifying grace, and the life of the Spirit!

mk 16:16 he who believes and is baptized shall be saved.

1 cor 13:13 faith, hope, & charity
rom 5:5 love

3) sanctification / perseverance
(participation required)

Empowered by Christ's life, Spirit, merits, & grace we abide in Him
Jn 15:1-6 and endure all things in patience and for love of God unto the end!

Mk 13:13, mt 10:22, & mt 24:13
he who endures to the end shall be saved!


We have union with God and His saints in Christ by grace!

Romans 5:2
By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

2 pet 3:18 we must grow in grace

Eph 5:2-6
gal 5:1-4
gal 5:19-21
gal 6:7-8
1 cor 6:9-10 & 15-20
2 cor 4:7
1 tim 5:12
rev 21:8
rev 21:27
rom 8:1
can lose grace

1 cor 15:10 can have grace in vain

2 cor 4:7 treasure (grace) in earthen vessels

Lk 1:75
In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.

acts 10:35
But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

1 John 3:10
In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

rom 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Gal 6:7-8

7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Matthew 25:46
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

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does not say they are saved!
love never fails not even for eternal salvation! 1 cor 13

the purpoof our creation is the means of our eternal salvation!

To KNOW, LOVE, & SERVE God!

disciples not made by faith alone or by instruction and baptism! mt 28:19


add to your faith cos faith alone is insufficient!

increase your faith cos faith alone is insufficient!

Lk 3:8-9

8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

9 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

son of abraham won't save you, salvation requires fruits of repentance not faith alone!

oh I forgot the your law, if it does not support faith alone then it's not a salvation issue!

thks
 

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2) justification
(gratuitous / no works)

We consent to His redemption, receive instructions in the faith and are born again by baptism with the the infused supernatural gifts of faith, hope, & charty, with sanctifying grace, and the life of the Spirit!

mk 16:16 he who believes and is baptized shall be saved.

1 cor 13:13 faith, hope, & charity
rom 5:5 love

3) sanctification / perseverance
(participation required)

Empowered by Christ's life, Spirit, merits, & grace we abide in Him
Jn 15:1-6 and endure all things in patience and for love of God unto the end!

Mk 13:13, mt 10:22, & mt 24:13
he who endures to the end shall be saved!
You contradicted yourself.

You said Justification is based on Gods grace, not works. Yet you added the work of water baptism

then you claimed it is dependent in the end on our sanctification, and the work of enduring tot the end.

It is one or the other my friend. It cna not be both ways
 
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The Philippian jailer was NOT told, "Be baptized and you will be saved," but "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved" (see Acts 16:31). Philip told the Ethiopian that if he believed with all his heart, he could be baptized. Then we read:

(Act 8:37) And he answered and said, "I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God."
(Act 8:38) So he commanded the chariot to stand still. And both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water, and he baptized him.

Like the Ethiopian, I was saved, and then I was baptized. Jesus saves us, not baptism.
Jn 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

is baptism included?

where does it say the eunuch was saved, or anyone? mk 13:13 mt 10:22 mt 24:13 he who endures to the end shall be saved

why be baptized after saved?

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Life!

1) general redemption
(no works / no participation)

Christ brought us to the life of grace!

Christ by His life, death, (blood) and resurrection obtained the atonement and general redemption making the life of grace possible!

Jn 1:14
Jn 1:16
Jn 1:17
Jn 10:10
Jn 14:6
eph 2:1

rom 5:5-8

5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.

8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

God is love, grace is the life of God!

2) justification
(gratuitous / no works)

We consent to His redemption, receive instructions in the faith and are born again by baptism with the the infused supernatural gifts of faith, hope, & charty, with sanctifying grace, and the life of the Spirit!

mk 16:16 he who believes and is baptized shall be saved.

1 cor 13:13 faith, hope, & charity
rom 5:5 love

3) sanctification / perseverance
(participation required)

Empowered by Christ's life, Spirit, merits, & grace we abide in Him
Jn 15:1-6 and endure all things in patience and for love of God unto the end!

Mk 13:13, mt 10:22, & mt 24:13
he who endures to the end shall be saved!


We have union with God and His saints in Christ by grace!

Romans 5:2
By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

2 pet 3:18 we must grow in grace

Eph 5:2-6
gal 5:1-4
gal 5:19-21
gal 6:7-8
1 cor 6:9-10 & 15-20
2 cor 4:7
1 tim 5:12
rev 21:8
rev 21:27
rom 8:1
can lose grace

1 cor 15:10 can have grace in vain

2 cor 4:7 treasure (grace) in earthen vessels

Lk 1:75
In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.

acts 10:35
But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

1 John 3:10
In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

rom 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Gal 6:7-8

7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Matthew 25:46
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

thks
I have but a few questions for you and all that are here today and who so ever shall read these words in the future .
IF you were to die tonight do you beleive without a doubt you would hear WELCOME my friend
into paradise .
Lets begin with that and when you answer feel free to explain WHY.
 
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The Philippian jailer was NOT told, "Be baptized and you will be saved," but "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved" (see Acts 16:31). Philip told the Ethiopian that if he believed with all his heart, he could be baptized. Then we read:

(Act 8:37) And he answered and said, "I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God."
(Act 8:38) So he commanded the chariot to stand still. And both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water, and he baptized him.

Like the Ethiopian, I was saved, and then I was baptized. Jesus saves us, not baptism.
includes believing Christ mk 16:16

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Actually I SURE DO . and HE corrects me if or when i be in error .
MY BISHOP is the one true BISHOP that all should sit under .
HE cannot lie . but man can . YES i speak of JESUS of course .
Sadly far too many bishops and deacons or whatever other name they go by
DO nothing but mislead and decieve this people . And any leader
and anyone peroid who does speak , their words must be TESTED AGAINST JESUS , HIS WORDS
and the WORDS OF TRUTH IN THEM SCRIPTURES , in them letters of the apostels .
Sadly far too many have long already twisted such words and now
in this last hour they REALLY TWIST A HUGE LIE to this people . YET they call it love , claim it is of GOD
and lead this people to merge as one under the peace of anti christ . SO , YEAH i shall cling to CHRIST .
How are you doing . OH yeah a hint .
IF YOU SEE anything ECUMENICAL , YEAH , GET OUT and take who you can with you AS YOU go OUT THE DOOR .
Cause that my friend IS ALL PART OF THIS END TIME DELUSION NOW .
heb 13:7-17

fathers care for our souls!

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just a word of caution . if you even think or beleive
that the apostlic tradition is in the RCC . YOU been greatly decieved .
OH I KNOW there is such thing as true leaders
but they sure were not popes , sure were not having MEN BOW BEFORE THEM AND KISS RINGS
and call THEM MOST HOLY FATHER , MOST HOLY REVEERAND .
NO that is just MAN and his DESIRE FOR POWER AND CONTROL .
Jesus said to beware of such . BEWARE of men who go about IN LONG FANCY ROBES
and desire flattering titles and to be seen of men .
OOPS i guess the RCC DIDNT GET THAT MEMO at all .
CALL NO MAN FATHER , FOR YOU HAVE ONE FATHER in HEAVEN and you are all BRETHREN .
GUESS they didnt get that memo . That aint the CHURCH , not even close .
In fact if i were to be h onest
IT reminds me exactly of the WHORE jersualem and its leaders had become .
AND do not think i excuse the harlots on the protestant side either .
Its like watching the protestant daughter linking back up with its mother
AND all they do is fleece this people and decieve them all .
Matt 23:9
Call no man father? Jesus is only condemning pride and spiritual pride of the Pharisees?

Or is this absolute?

God calls men father!

Ex 3:6 Moreover he said, I am the God of thy fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.

Jesus calls men father!

Jn 6:49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.

Mary calls men father!

Lk 1:55 As he spake to our fathers, to Abraham, and to his seed for ever.

Peter calls men father!

Acts 3:13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.

Acts 3:22 Moses said unto the fathers…

The stephen calls men father!

Acts 7 Stephen quotes the fathers over and over!

Apostles call men father!

1 Jn 2:13 I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.

14 I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.

The Bible calls men father!

Luke 16:24
And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.


Acts 3:13
The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.


Jn 4:20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.

Jesus does not rebuke her for calling men father!


Then there is spiritual fathers who have care for our souls! Heb 13:7-17

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The grace is recieved in faith.. Abraham Believed God and it was accounted to him as righteousness.

As paul said in romans 4: 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, 24 but also for us. It shall be imputed to us who believe in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead, 25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised because of our justification.

Our justification is based on his ressurection. Not water baptism
where does it say that justification is eternal salvation?

uou cannot have supernatural saving faith apart from Christ!

Jn 15:5 apart from Christ? nothing!

the only baptism is water baptism, the initial sacrament of the christian faith. water baptism includes, the supernatural gifts of faith, hope, & charity, sanctifying grace, and the life of the Spirit!

ez 36:25-27
mt 28:19
mk 16:16
Jn 3:5
acts 2:38-39
Acts 8:36-38
acts 22:16
1 cor 12:13
gal 3:27
1 pet 3:20-21

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where does it say that justification is eternal salvation?
So you are given the righteousness of Christ but your not saved?
uou cannot have supernatural saving faith apart from Christ!
Never said otherwise
Jn 15:5 apart from Christ? nothing!

the only baptism is water baptism, the initial sacrament of the christian faith. water baptism includes, the supernatural gifts of faith, hope, & charity, sanctifying grace, and the life of the Spirit!

ez 36:25-27
mt 28:19
mk 16:16
Jn 3:5
acts 2:38-39
Acts 8:36-38
acts 22:16
1 cor 12:13
gal 3:27
1 pet 3:20-21

thks
your trying to replace the baptism of the HS with water baptism.. This is a false gospel my friend. Do not add works to grace. it nullifies Christ's work, and nullifies Grace
 
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The grace is recieved in faith.. Abraham Believed God and it was accounted to him as righteousness.

As paul said in romans 4: 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, 24 but also for us. It shall be imputed to us who believe in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead, 25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised because of our justification.

Our justification is based on his ressurection. Not water baptism
don't assume that justification is eternal salvation and that Christ did it all and there is nothing we cando!

If your saved you don't have too:

have Perpetual faith Jn 3:16
1 Jn 5:13
add to you faith 2 pet 1:5
grow in grace 2 pet 3:18
pray mt 7:7 mt 26:41 Lk 21:36
deny thyself Lk 9:23
suffer for Christ phil 1:29
narrow road mt 7:14
abide in Christ Jn 15:1-6
bear fruit Lk 3:9 Jn 15:4
fruits of repentance mt 3:8
2 cor 7:10
fulfill the deeds of righteousness
Lk 1:75 acts 10:35
fruits of righteousness phil 1:11
faith & patience heb 6:12
faith, patience, & works rev 2:19
commandments, patience, & faith rev 14:12
keep the commandments
mt 19:17 Jn 14:21 1 cor 7:19 1Jn 3:24 1 Jn 5:2-3 rev 12:17
resist unto blood heb 12:4
resist the devil James 4:7
put on the armor of God
eph 6:10-18
avoid the deeds of the flesh or the deeds of the Spirit rom 8:1 gal 6:7-8
rom 8:13 1 pet 2:24
practice virtues mt 11:29 1 cor 13:13
endure to the end to be saved
mk 13:13, mt 10:22 mt 24:13
be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. rev 2:10

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The grace is recieved in faith.. Abraham Believed God and it was accounted to him as righteousness.

As paul said in romans 4: 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, 24 but also for us. It shall be imputed to us who believe in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead, 25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised because of our justification.

Our justification is based on his ressurection. Not water baptism
no works?

patience: suffering for love of God!
enduring all thing's faithful to the end! mt 10:22 rev 2:10

Luke 8:15
But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.

Luke 21:19
In your patience possess ye your souls.

Romans 5:3
And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

Romans 5:4
And patience, experience; and experience, hope:

Romans 8:25
But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

Romans 15:4
For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

Colossians 1:11
Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;

1 Thessalonians 1:3
Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;

2 Thessalonians 1:4
So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure: (mt 10:22)

1 Timothy 6:11
But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.

2 Timothy 3:10
But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,

Titus 2:2
That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience.

Hebrews 6:12
That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
(eternal salvation)

Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
(eternal salvation)

Hebrews 12:1
Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

James 1:3
Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.

James 1:4
But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.


James 5:10
Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience.

James 5:11
Behold, we count them happy which endure. (mt 10:22) Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.

2 Peter 1:6
And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;

Revelation 2:2
I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience... (good works)

Revelation 2:3
And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.

Revelation 2:19
I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.

Revelation 13:10
He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

Revelation 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.