Which major Christian church in the U.S. is closest to the truth?

[Brakelite]

Why did Paul say that?

I thank God that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, so no one can say that you were baptized into my name. Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I do not remember baptizing anyone else. For Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel, not with words of wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.” 1st Corinthians 1:14-17

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Paul’s Express Reason: Guarding Against Personal Allegiance
Corinthian believers were aligning themselves with charismatic leaders—“I follow Paul… Apollos… Cephas… Christ” (1 Colossians 1:12). In a Greco-Roman patron-client culture, the administrator of a rite could become a status-granting “patron.” By minimizing the number he personally baptized, Paul removed any basis for a “Pauline party” claiming spiritual superiority through the prestige of being baptized by the apostle himself

Sadly, he didn't completiy succeed. There are Paul onlyists on this very forum.

 

[Marvelloustime]

HE who recieves HIS testimony has set to HIS seal that GOD IS TRUE .
He who believes not the testimony that GOD gave of the SON , CALLS GOD A LIAR .
reader , do take note that did not say OH THEY SERVING GOD IN DIVERSE WAYS . IT SAID THEY CALL HIM A LIAR .
interfaith is LYING to them all now and will leade them to the LIE .
And NO LIE is of the TRUTH .
And here is TRUTH .
FOR this reason was i born and for this cause came i in to the world
to TESTIFY of THE TRUTH , all who are of THE TRUTH come TO ME . not budda or any other false religon .
I AM the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE , no man comes to THE FATHER but by ME .
HE who beleives that JESUS is the Christ , the son of GOD has life
but he who beleives not has not life but the wrath of GOD abides on him .
Get everyone outta the UNITY UNITY lets be one ecumeincal intefaith realm NOW . and let none look back .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

Why do you call ME LORD LORD and do NOT do what i say .
And now a word .
Interrelgious dialgoue and its so called christendom leaders
Said aloud to all false religoins and christains
HEY we all come to God in different ways , the GOD of the christian is no better than your god .
IT denied
THESE WORDS . I told you that ye shall DIE IN YOUR SINS , FOR IF YOU BELIEVE NOT that I AM HE
then YOU SHALL DIE in your sins .
ANY GUESSES on who said that . JESUS DID . now get every man woman , child , donkey , pets
outta anything ecumiencal . That house is coming down ON JESUS day .

@amigo de christo

 

[MatthewG]

You are correct, the Truth is found in Christ. He is the Truth. And Christ is in His people. Where are His people?

His people are the ones who live by the Spirit.

 

[MatthewG]

When someone puts their confidence in a denomination, a label, or a group identity, that confidence shifts away from God and toward the institution. And yes — that’s the same pattern Jesus confronted in His day. The Pharisees weren’t evil because they had the Law; they were blind because they trusted the Law more than the God who gave it.

 

[Grailhunter]

Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with groaning, for that would be of no advantage to you.
Hebrews 13:17

We ask you, brothers, to respect those who labor among you and are over you in the Lord and admonish you, and to esteem them very highly in love because of their work. Be at peace among yourselves.
1st Thessalonians 5:12-13

The elders who rule well are to be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who work hard at preaching and teaching. 1st timothy 5:17

Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood. Acts 20:28

And when they had appointed elders for them in every church, with prayer and fasting they committed them to the Lord in whom they had believed. Acts 14:23

And he gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the shepherds and teachers, Ephesians 4:11

 

[MatthewG]

A lot of people understand exactly what I’m saying here: using Scripture to demand obedience to any human being is a misuse of the text. The New Testament never teaches blind submission to a person just because they hold a title.

When Hebrews 13, 1 Thessalonians 5, and the pastoral letters talk about leaders, they’re describing servants, not rulers — men who lead by example, humility, and sound teaching. Peter even warned elders not to “lord it over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock” (1 Peter 5:3).

Leadership in the early church was never about control. It was about care, teaching, and protecting, not demanding personal loyalty.

Jesus Himself said, “You are all brothers… the greatest among you shall be your servant” (Matthew 23:8,11). That alone tells you what kind of “leadership” He endorsed.

So if someone uses these verses to say, “You must obey me,” or “You must submit to church authority no matter what,” then they’re stepping outside the context of Scripture. Respect is earned by character and truth, not forced by titles.

That’s all I’m saying.

 

[stevesonthebay]

Which church is closest to the teachings and the early church after the disciples. I don't see many being like this. Especially today where its hard to see too much difference between secular ideology and the church.

For me there has to be a seperation and a destinct difference between the Christ church and the world.

As society has become more pluralistic and all these alternative ideas about truth in general and even disputing obvious truths and making them relative. This overall thinking has crept into the church. Enlightened thinking has gone well beyond making constructive reasoning to the truth to making out there is no truth.

Whereas even going back 60 years the church was seperate from secular society. People would consult the church on moral issues and respected their opinion.

But now the church is itself part of secular society and getting involved in political fights. Trying to be a social force like a political force just like any other social justice NGO or political party. Just another identity in the culture war of identity politics.

Add to this the abuses the church has done and the hypocracy of gathering money and material wealth and looking no different to the world its no wonder that many distrust the church.

I think the church should remain quiet for the most part and work on setting a Christlike example. It needs to fix its leadership structure and properly vet overseers as was done in the early church. It begins at the top.

Christ church needs to be unified in mind and spirit. The fact that we now have 100s of denominations and many with conflicting beliefs is a sign that something is very wrong. This is a reflection of the divisions in secular society. Which means that secular culture has come into the church. Rather than the church being different.

Clement of Rome I think mentions that where there is division there is no Christ.

 

[Grailhunter]

I guess some people need their verses highlighted....
Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with groaning, for that would be of no advantage to you.
Hebrews 13:17

We ask you, brothers, to respect those who labor among you and are over you in the Lord and admonish you, and to esteem them very highly in love because of their work. Be at peace among yourselves.
1st Thessalonians 5:12-13

The elders who rule well are to be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who work hard at preaching and teaching. 1st timothy 5:17

Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood. Acts 20:28

And when they had appointed elders for them in every church, with prayer and fasting they committed them to the Lord in whom they had believed. Acts 14:23

And he gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the shepherds and teachers, Ephesians 4:11

Maybe the Bible needs some neon lights?

Which church is closest to the teachings and the early church after the disciples. I don't see many being like this. Especially today where its hard to see too much difference between secular ideology and the church.

For me there has to be a seperation and a destinct difference between the Christ church and the world.

As society has become more pluralistic and all these alternative ideas about truth in general and even disputing obvious truths and making them relative. This overall thinking has crept into the church. Enlightened thinking has gone well beyond making constructive reasoning to the truth to making out there is no truth.

Whereas even going back 60 years the church was seperate from secular society. People would consult the church on moral issues and respected their opinion.

But now the church is itself part of secular society and getting involved in political fights. Trying to be a social force like a political force just like any other social justice NGO or political party. Just another identity in the culture war of identity politics.

Add to this the abuses the church has done and the hypocracy of gathering money and material wealth and looking no different to the world its no wonder that many distrust the church.

I think the church should remain quiet for the most part and work on setting a Christlike example. It needs to fix its leadership structure and properly vet overseers as was done in the early church. It begins at the top.

Christ church needs to be unified in mind and spirit. The fact that we now have 100s of denominations and many with conflicting beliefs is a sign that something is very wrong. This is a reflection of the divisions in secular society. Which means that secular culture has come into the church. Rather than the church being different.

Clement of Rome I think mentions that where there is division there is no Christ.

I guess you are another person that does not like going to church. And you use these excuses not to go to church and fellowship with Christians and worshipping the Lord. I am suspecting that you do not assemble with Christians in their homes either? No association with the Christian community in your area?

I have been to a lot of churches and never found one that had a representative in the House or Senate.
On the other hand churches should take issue with sinful activities. And when they do that they side with a conservative political party. And it is certainly correct for pastors to advise the president.

Some say that Christians should not vote. What would happen if Christians did not vote? Evildoers would take over our country and chaos and mayhem and anarchy would make our life Hell. For sure Christians should vote.

As far as churches taking in money. There are a lot of mega churches that provide Christian families with services and Sunday school for various age groups. Some have 24 hour prayer rooms and gyms and cafes and activities like Bible Camps and picnics. It all about being involved with the church and Christian communities for adults and children. But if you do not like the mega churches that is still is not a valid excuse for not going to church.

There are small country Bethal churches that don't even have electricity, just a piano and pews. A lot of churches out there that hold to the scriptures, you just need to pick one.

 

[Brakelite]

His people are the ones who live by the Spirit.

What does that mean?

 

[MatthewG]

What does that mean?

What a strange question to ask.

 

[rockytopva]

If you people ever find a church to your liking please go there to be a blessing and an encouragement to someone. There is no blessing with wrangling about all these millions of doctrinal points that have been coined through the ages.

But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God. - 1 Corinthians 11:16

 

[MatthewG]

What does that mean?

When I say “living by the Spirit,” I’m not talking about hype, theatrics, or the kind of showy stuff people often associate with religion — the shouting, falling over, or claims of instant miracle‑healing like removing autism or forcing someone to speak. That’s not what I mean at all.

Living by the Spirit is much quieter and deeper than that. It’s about the inner life — the way God shapes a person’s heart, decisions, and character. It’s things like:

• walking in love
• showing self‑control
• listening for God’s guidance
• bearing the fruit of the Spirit


It’s the difference between performing religion outwardly and being transformed inwardly. Jesus talked about that a lot — that the Spirit gives life, and the flesh doesn’t produce anything of real value.

So when I say “God’s people live by the Spirit,” I’m talking about people who let God shape their heart, their choices, and the way they treat others — not people chasing emotional experiences or dramatic displays.

 

[stevesonthebay]

I guess some people need their verses highlighted....
Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with groaning, for that would be of no advantage to you.
Hebrews 13:17

We ask you, brothers, to respect those who labor among you and are over you in the Lord and admonish you, and to esteem them very highly in love because of their work. Be at peace among yourselves.
1st Thessalonians 5:12-13

The elders who rule well are to be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who work hard at preaching and teaching. 1st timothy 5:17

Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood. Acts 20:28

And when they had appointed elders for them in every church, with prayer and fasting they committed them to the Lord in whom they had believed. Acts 14:23

And he gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the shepherds and teachers, Ephesians 4:11

Maybe the Bible needs some neon lights?


I guess you are another person that does not like going to church. And you use these excuses not to go to church and fellowship with Christians and worshipping the Lord. I am suspecting that you do not assemble with Christians in their homes either? No association with the Christian community in your area?

Actually I have a church that is assoiated with feeding the homeless I attend. Admittedly not as much as I would like as I am disabled. But I love the fellowship.

I also volunteer for the local homeless hub once a week who also feed and support the homeless and other people in need. This is how I found out about the church as some of the homeless also attend.

We often fellowship as the hub is like a cafe where different groups sit and chat and socialise. Its not uncommon for someone to talk God and Christ from the least expected people. But also some volunteers are Christian. Christians tend to find each other. I also hold a music group with loan guitars and other instruments when available. Sometimes one of the homeless will break out in a Christian song. I throw one in here and there.

I have tried other churches (Catholic Mass) as I am Catholic and Salvo's, Have a long history with Salvos who I was saved through. They also work with the hub next door. So really I am surrounded out there by Christians. I would like to find a bible study group though. I get some of that online. But interacting is better.

I have been to a lot of churches and never found one that had a representative in the House or Senate.

That would be hard to keep politics our of religion.

On the other hand churches should take issue with sinful activities. And when they do that they side with a conservative political party. And it is certainly correct for pastors to advise the president.

There was a time when the church was seperate and governments consulted them on moral matters. Or the church gave its sermon to society at times. But was respected as a seperate wise counsel. No its all mixed.

Some say that Christians should not vote. What would happen if Christians did not vote? Evildoers would take over our country and chaos and mayhem and anarchy would make our life Hell. For sure Christians should vote.

In my nation it is compulsory to vote. Though I think Christians should vote. As you say policies and laws can affect society. In my nation in local elections you can vote for many different candidates that represent all sorts of ideas. So you can find one pretty close to your beliefs.

Working in the social welfare industry we often network with local pollies to get more support for say housing or DV or addiction ect. I have lost hope in the federal parties. Though I know there is an ideological difference. As you say conservatives and traditionalist are closer to Christian values. But in reality neither is for Christ.

As far as churches taking in money. There are a lot of mega churches that provide Christian families with services and Sunday school for various age groups. Some have 24 hour prayer rooms and gyms and cafes and activities like Bible Camps and picnics. It all about being involved with the church and Christian communities for adults and children. But if you do not like the mega churches that is still is not a valid excuse for not going to church.

Yes and I think as charities they are doing a great job and service for society. Without the church and Christian charities society would be a lot worse off. But I think some can do better. The early church Christians sold their possessions to help the Christian community and those who came.

There are small country Bethal churches that don't even have electricity, just a piano and pews. A lot of churches out there that hold to the scriptures, you just need to pick one.

I have thankyou. The homeless church I attend is like a home church or a county church. But we have electricity and its not in the sticks. Rather near the town center where most of the homeless are located.

In fact sometimes a service is held on the waterfront. I see a few different churches on the waterfront. We have a lot of small churches as well as the main ones like JW, Latter Day Saints, Baptist, CC ect.

 

[Grailhunter]

Actually I have a church that is assoiated with feeding the homeless I attend. Admittedly not as much as I would like as I am disabled. But I love the fellowship.

I also volunteer for the local homeless hub once a week who also feed and support the homeless and other people in need. This is how I found out about the church as some of the homeless also attend.

We often fellowship as the hub is like a cafe where different groups sit and chat and socialise. Its not uncommon for someone to talk God and Christ from the least expected people. But also some volunteers are Christian. Christians tend to find each other. I also hold a music group with loan guitars and other instruments when available. Sometimes one of the homeless will break out in a Christian song. I throw one in here and there.

I have tried other churches (Catholic Mass) as I am Catholic and Salvo's, Have a long history with Salvos who I was saved through. They also work with the hub next door. So really I am surrounded out there by Christians. I would like to find a bible study group though. I get some of that online. But interacting is better.

That would be hard to keep politics our of religion.

There was a time when the church was seperate and governments consulted them on moral matters. Or the church gave its sermon to society at times. But was respected as a seperate wise counsel. No its all mixed.

In my nation it is compulsory to vote. Though I think Christians should vote. As you say policies and laws can affect society. In my nation in local elections you can vote for many different candidates that represent all sorts of ideas. So you can find one pretty close to your beliefs.

Working in the social welfare industry we often network with local pollies to get more support for say housing or DV or addiction ect. I have lost hope in the federal parties. Though I know there is an ideological difference. As you say conservatives and traditionalist are closer to Christian values. But in reality neither is for Christ.

Yes and I think as charities they are doing a great job and service for society. Without the church and Christian charities society would be a lot worse off. But I think some can do better. The early church Christians sold their possessions to help the Christian community and those who came.

I have thankyou. The homeless church I attend is like a home church or a county church. But we have electricity and its not in the sticks. Rather near the town center where most of the homeless are located.

In fact sometimes a service is held on the waterfront. I see a few different churches on the waterfront. We have a lot of small churches as well as the main ones like JW, Latter Day Saints, Baptist, CC ect.

Sounds like you are an active Christian. Praise God.
I understand a disability can slow you down. I went through a year due to medical malpractice. I hear so many excuses why people do not go to church and or be active in the Christian community. Like it is a lot of effort. Humans have a tendency to be lazy and are not good at prioritizing their time and effort. But they generally do what is important to them. I am glad that Yeshua and the Apostle found it important enough to do what they did.

When I hear all the excuses from people it makes me thing they never tried it, because if they did they would know what a blessing it is to be part of the Christian community. Truely a joy and a Blessing.

I have always been big on charity and helping people, again it is a blessing. I did a lot of work with the food Banks in Virginia Beach Va, Groton Conn, and here in Farmington Mo. The Food Bank here in Farmington is part of the Emergency Action Agency and they do a lot more than hand out food. They are part of the homeless shelter and they are pretty organized. They are pretty close to my house and I think they are expanding.

Farmington has a population of around 19,000 and they have around 45 churches, 37 in town. And they do local charity work.

God bless
Do good and be good
The Johnny Appleseed of Truth

 

[Brakelite]

You are assuming what you need to prove. Yes, Scripture teaches judgment. No, Scripture does not teach an investigative judgment beginning in 1844. That date is not in Daniel 7, Matthew 25, Revelation 22, or anywhere else in the Bible.

God does not investigate people because He lacks information. “All things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do” ~Hebrews 4:13. “The Lord knoweth them that are his” ~2 Timothy 2:19. Christ already knows His sheep ~John 10:14.

Daniel 7 describes God judging evil kingdoms and vindicating the saints. It says nothing about Christ beginning a review of professing Christians in 1844.

The angels do not need an investigative judgment to know whom to gather. Christ sends them. “The Son of man shall send forth his angels” ~Matthew 13:41. They obey Him because He already knows who belongs to Him.

Matthew 25 also does not support your claim. It says, “When the Son of man shall come in his glory…then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory” ~Matthew 25:31. The judgment described there takes place when Christ comes. The goats do not enter heaven. That idea is not in the passage.

Revelation 22:12 says Christ brings His reward with Him. It does not say He began investigating believers in 1844. You are reading Adventist doctrine into the verse.

Hebrews is clear that Christ’s saving work is complete:

“By his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us” ~Hebrews 9:12.

“After he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God” ~Hebrews 10:12.

“By one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified” ~Hebrews 10:14.

That is a finished sacrifice and eternal redemption. It is not an unfinished process that required a new phase in 1844.

As for Steps to Christ, one book containing biblical language proves nothing about Ellen White’s prophetic authority. False teachers do not have to be wrong in every sentence. They only need to add doctrines God never taught.

You have proved that the Bible teaches judgment. Nobody denied that. You have not proved the investigative judgment, the year 1844, or Ellen White’s prophetic authority from Scripture.

Those are Adventist claims, not biblical teaching.

Two more questions.
If the whole work of Christ was finished at the cross, then why the need for the resurrection... pentecostal... second coming... intercession before the Father in the heavenly sanctuary?

Please explain how three judgment is already come at the time of the continuing proclamation of the gospel in Revelation 14:6,7?

 

[bdavidc]

Two more questions.
If the whole work of Christ was finished at the cross, then why the need for the resurrection... pentecostal... second coming... intercession before the Father in the heavenly sanctuary?

Please explain how three judgment is already come at the time of the continuing proclamation of the gospel in Revelation 14:6,7?

You are changing the issue.

I did not say every act of Christ’s ministry was completed at the cross. I said His sacrifice for sin was finished at the cross. That is exactly what Scripture says.

Jesus said, “It is finished” ~John 19:30.

Hebrews says, “By his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us” ~Hebrews 9:12.

It also says, “After he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God” ~Hebrews 10:12.

And again, “For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified” ~Hebrews 10:14.

So the question is not whether Christ rose, intercedes, sent the Spirit, and will return. Of course He did and will. The question is whether His sacrifice for sin was complete. Scripture says yes.

The resurrection was necessary because Christ did not remain dead. Paul says He “was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification” ~Romans 4:25. If Christ is not raised, “your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins” ~1 Corinthians 15:17. The resurrection does not mean the sacrifice was unfinished. It proves the sacrifice was accepted.

Pentecost was necessary because the risen and exalted Christ poured out the Holy Ghost upon His people. Peter said, “Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted... he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear” ~Acts 2:33. Pentecost was not a second stage of atonement. It was the ascended Christ empowering His church to witness.

Christ’s intercession is also not a continued sacrifice or an investigative judgment. Hebrews says, “he ever liveth to make intercession for them” ~Hebrews 7:25. John says, “If any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous” ~1 John 2:1. An advocate is not an investigator trying to figure out who belongs to Him. Christ already knows His sheep ~John 10:14.

The second coming is not needed because the cross failed. It is needed because Christ will openly finish what He has already secured for His people. Hebrews says, “Unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation” ~Hebrews 9:28. Notice that carefully. “Without sin.” He is not coming to continue dealing with sin by sacrifice. That was already done.

Now to Revelation 14:6-7. The angel says, “Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come.” That proves judgment. It does not prove 1844. It does not prove an investigative judgment. It does not prove Ellen White. It does not say Christ began reviewing professing Christians in heaven. That is being read into the text.

Revelation 14 is a warning to the world to fear God, worship the Creator, and refuse the beast. The chapter goes on to speak of Babylon falling, the judgment of those who worship the beast, the patience of the saints, and the harvest of the earth. The context is public, final, and visible judgment, not a secret heavenly audit beginning in 1844.

The gospel can be proclaimed while judgment is announced. That is not a problem. Paul preached the same thing in Acts 17:30-31: “God... now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness.” The coming judgment is one of the reasons men must repent now.

So again, you have proved judgment. Nobody denied judgment. But you still have not proved investigative judgment from Scripture. You have not proved 1844 from Scripture. You have not proved that Christ moved into a new heavenly phase in 1844 from Scripture.

Christ’s sacrifice is finished. His redemption is eternal. His intercession is real. His return is certain. His judgment is coming. But the Adventist investigative judgment is not taught in Revelation 14 or anywhere else in the Bible.

 

[BarneyFife]

An individual SDA can be a true Christian if he is trusting Christ alone for salvation, not Sabbath keeping, church membership, Ellen White, dietary rules, or any added system. But the SDA system itself is not biblically sound and should not be treated as just another harmless Christian denomination.

Which "systems" are "biblically sound," "harmless Christian denominations?"

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[bdavidc]

Which "systems" are "biblically sound," "harmless Christian denominations?"

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I am not saying any man-made system gets a blank check. Scripture is the standard, not a denomination, not a confession, not a movement, and not a church label.

A church or denomination is only sound to the degree that it stays under the authority of Scripture and keeps the gospel clear. “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works” ~Ephesians 2:8. When any system adds a prophet, a required day, a required diet, a required organization, or a final-investigation doctrine that clouds the finished work of Christ, that system needs to be tested and rejected where it contradicts Scripture.

So my answer is simple. The harmless ones are the ones that do not replace Scripture with tradition, do not add works to grace, do not deny who Christ is, and do not make their distinctives into a test of faithfulness. Even then, every church still has to be tested by the Word of God.

The issue is not whether Baptists, Presbyterians, Methodists, or anyone else has every detail right. The issue is whether the gospel is being preserved or corrupted. Paul did not say, “Be loyal to your system.” He said, “Though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed” ~Galatians 1:8.

 

[Brakelite]

When any system adds a prophet, a required day, a required diet, a required organization, or a final-investigation doctrine that clouds the finished work of Christ, that system needs to be tested and rejected where it contradicts Scripture.

Let me know when you want to start testing the Adventist Church, I'll be glad to help.

The harmless ones are the ones that do not replace Scripture with tradition,

You maybe not realise that you've just declared every Sunday keeping church harmful. Not my words my friend.