Salvation loss. Is it possible?

[pia]

How sweet. But you missed the point. If Christ doesn't condemn me, then I am saved. Correct?

Stranger

Sorry should have added, that is when it becomes a reality in the persons life, we are all 'saved' but not everyone will receive it.

 

[pia]

"Many will cry 'Lord, Lord'"

Many people claim Christ, but truly wouldn't know Him if they fell over Him so to speak ( Not quite true actually, as soon as you see Him you KNOW who He is ). They follow after laws, Bible induced or man made, but their HEARTS are far from Him. He says:" I never knew you." because they did NOT come to Him, so that He and only He could save them, the written word is incapable of saving anyone....... Peace to you.......Pia

 

[pia]

My, my. No shortage of the greek word spinners. You want to see true repentance? (1 Thess. 1:9) "For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God."

This is true repentance. They turned to God.

They did not turn from idols to God. That would be a work. They turned to God from idols.

In other words, repentance is not a work. It is a turning to God. Whatever is left behind is left behind.

When one turns to Christ for salvation that salvation is secure. For you to say it isn't based on some greek grammer, is a lie. I am not saying Jesus is wrong. I am saying you are wrong.

What do you say?

Stranger

sorry to hijack here, but I do agree also. He showed me the example of The Prodigal Son. Just the same, we turn toward Him and He receives us with open arms, that is TRUE repentance. Us crying out 'sorry sorry sorry' every time we err, will only bring about a 'sin-consciousness', and that is a place of no power flow.....:)

 

[Stranger]

Sorry should have added, that is when it becomes a reality in the persons life, we are all 'saved' but not everyone will receive it.

I would say Christ died for all. But all are not saved. Because, as you pointed out, not everyone will receive it.

But once we are saved, that salvation is secure. And He that could condemn us; He Who has the power to condemn us; is the same that loved us and died for us when we were yet sinners. (Rom. 8:33-34) (Rev. 1:5)

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

sorry to hijack here, but I do agree also. He showed me the example of The Prodigal Son. Just the same, we turn toward Him and He receives us with open arms, that is TRUE repentance. Us crying out 'sorry sorry sorry' every time we err, will only bring about a 'sin-consciousness', and that is a place of no power flow.....:)

I agree, that is a place of condemnation. Such preaching leaves the believer beaten and cast down. And they preach such in the name of 'grace'. But I have found the grace they preach is not the grace of the Bible. It is nothing but law. And it kills you.

Stranger

 

[bbyrd009]

as soon as you see Him you KNOW who He is

we have a few examples of His familiars not recognizing Him, so this would have to be qualified too i guess

but the point i meant to make is that people debating whether one can lose their salvation or not might qualify as those crying "Lord, Lord." The argument only arises among people who believe they are now "saved" because of something they did whenever that satisfied some other people's requirements for "salvation," right, that arguably came from Scripture. (I say "arguably" because i am prepared to argue against them from Scripture)

 

[bbyrd009]

They did not turn from idols to God. That would be a work. They turned to God from idols.

In other words, repentance is not a work. It is a turning to God.

seems like a pretty torturous way to linguistically avoid works though, Stranger, wadr. Changing your mind, and seeking your own salvation, and even rebound (repentance) especially--at least when done correctly, apologizing to the one offended, etc--require work. Picking up your cross and following requires a lot of work. Granted, the work might now manifest as doing nothing, rather than injecting one's preferences onto a situation, but regardless.

It is just bad religion to tell someone that if they believe hard enough they will be saved, and this is verified when you cannot find any dead people who had been considered accepted while alive being taken to heaven imo.

 

[pia]

we have a few examples of His familiars not recognizing Him, so this would have to be qualified too i guess

but the point i meant to make is that people debating whether one can lose their salvation or not might qualify as those crying "Lord, Lord." The argument only arises among people who believe they are now "saved" because of something they did whenever that satisfied some other people's requirements for "salvation," right, that arguably came from Scripture. (I say "arguably" because i am prepared to argue against them from Scripture)

Yep, they weren't saved to begin with, because they refused to go to Him and receive it, FOR REAL ! They try through other means and that will not work in the end, even if they manage somehow to sneak into the Wedding Feast, it tells us, they will be found out because they are not dressed in the gown of Salvation, nor the Wedding garment, which only He can give us, again FOR REAL, not for some airy fairy Santa story.. It's utterly mind shattering almost, what He is offering, if we be willing.... :)

 

[pia]

I would say Christ died for all. But all are not saved. Because, as you pointed out, not everyone will receive it.

But once we are saved, that salvation is secure. And He that could condemn us; He Who has the power to condemn us; is the same that loved us and died for us when we were yet sinners. (Rom. 8:33-34) (Rev. 1:5)

Stranger

Yep, I kinda meant the same thing, He died for all, Salvation is available to all, but not all will accept it nor receive it. Thanks........Pia

 

[pia]

we have a few examples of His familiars not recognizing Him, so this would have to be qualified too i guess

but the point i meant to make is that people debating whether one can lose their salvation or not might qualify as those crying "Lord, Lord." The argument only arises among people who believe they are now "saved" because of something they did whenever that satisfied some other people's requirements for "salvation," right, that arguably came from Scripture. (I say "arguably" because i am prepared to argue against them from Scripture)

I will share with you what He answered me in relation to me losing my Salvation........Once you receive The Holy spirit after you accept your free gift of Salvation, you are sealed through Him. ....He then showed me a glass of cordial mixed with water, and said to me:" Now, separate them again.", and I said :" I can't Lord.", and He then said.:" Exactly!"...Short and sweet as He always handles me... Lovely. As always, don't take my word for it, check with Him yourselves. Seek Him for the real answers, He knows !

 

[Peanut]

Whooa up there pardner. Are you saying Judas was a believer? A child of God?

Stranger

How would the Sanhedrin been able to try Immanuel were it not for Judas pointing him out to the temple guard that sought him in the garden?
Immanuel knew Judas' purpose. Which is why He told Judas to do what he had to do quickly. It was all part of God's plan so that Immanuel , God with us, could accomplish the mission of salvation for the world.

 

[BreadOfLife]

My, my. No shortage of the greek word spinners. You want to see true repentance? (1 Thess. 1:9) "For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God."
This is true repentance. They turned to God.

They did not turn from idols to God. That would be a work. They turned to God from idols.
In other words, repentance is not a work. It is a turning to God. Whatever is left behind is left behind.

When one turns to Christ for salvation that salvation is secure. For you to say it isn't based on some greek grammer, is a lie. I am not saying Jesus is wrong. I am saying you are wrong.
What do you say?
Stranger

Your ignorance of Greek is no reason to call those who are familiar with it "Greek spinners". That's the language the NT was written in - in case you didn't know.

Sorry of the truth is too heavy for you . . .

 

[Helen]

Philippians 1:6
6 "Being confident of this very thing, that He which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ. "

\0/ \0/ \0/ Praise God!!!

 

[BreadOfLife]

It never said Judas cast out demons. It said the disciples did. That doesn't mean Judas did. Again, are you saying Judas was a child of God?

Yes or no answer.

Stranger

It says that the Twelve healed the sick and cast out demons (Mark 6:7-13).
It DIN'T say, the "Eleven".

Now - can anybody but a child of God cast out demons in Christ's name??

 

[Peanut]

you left out a bit....

No, I didn't. You added a bit. And the scriptures condemn that entirely.

For my part, I have no problem with sinners working toward their damnation thinking it salvation.
They're deluded. They're in a cult. They're walking a counterfeit path in a false apostate xhurch.
God calls whom he will to his grace. They're not called. That's why they think they have to work to get there.

Pity.
And not anything any saint who is in the grace of God can ever persuade otherwise. That's a fact. God calls!
People do not argue the lost into finding their way. That's not how it works.

Eternity for them is a long time to have lived wrong.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Judas was not a believer. You have shown nothing.

Judas was a devil from the beginning. (John 6:70)

Stranger

No - it doesn't say he was a devil from the beginning.
We know when the devil entered him (Luke 22:3).

Judas cast out demons and healed the sick before he turned his back on God (Mark 6:7-13).

 

[BreadOfLife]

No, it means he was a son.

He then became lost.
Then he was saved.
Just like we who are Christians are. We are already sons of God. But then lost in Adam's race. And then find our way back.

Stranger

Are you spiritually-DEAD like the Prodigal Son before finding your way back?

 

[Peanut]

I think this a place to also insert as to those who condemn Judas. Judas received communion with Christ and his brother disciples before he left the upper room. Think about that when Judas was in the presence of an all knowing Holy Spirit indwelt Savior, Immanuel.

 

[BreadOfLife]

How sweet. But you missed the point. If Christ doesn't condemn me, then I am saved. Correct?

Stranger

You won't know that until you are judged.
Have you gone through the Judgement??

Besides - WE choose where we will spend eternity - not God.
He simply judges what we chose to do.

 

[Helen]

I notice that Judas is here on the chopping block.

Lets not forget...Jesus chose Judas!!!
( now this could get a bit sticky with some )...but just as God has used Satan the Tempter, Adversary , ....so Jesus used Judas.
But that is just my opinion.