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Yes you have exposed the lies, in every word you speak, and people are well aware of them, you are fooling no one but yourself, and possibly one or two other people. Oh and you are getting angry again, better stay away from that website seems the truth offends you.

Mat 15:10 And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:
Mat 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
Mat 15:12 Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?
I've never been angry on this forum. If you were a worthy and intelligent opponent who proved my positions wrong - I would probably be as angry and frustrated as YOU.

I never get angry here because you're a cliche - just another bitter, ignorant anti-Catholic who doesn't do his homework . . .
 

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I've never been angry on this forum. If you were a worthy and intelligent opponent who proved my positions wrong - I would probably be as angry and frustrated as YOU.

I never get angry here because you're a cliche - just another bitter, ignorant anti-Catholic who doesn't do his homework .
Actually you are always shouting at every one, you really should read your posts over and over.
 
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Actually you are always shouting at every one, you really should read your posts over and over.
Hmmmmmm, apparently, you never too an English class - which is woefully-apparent by your spelling.

"Shouting"
in the written form requires exclamation points (!!!).
I never engage in shouting when I write.
 

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Hmmmmmm, apparently, you never too an English class - which is woefully-apparent by your spelling.

"Shouting"
in the written form requires exclamation points (!!!).
I never engage in shouting when I write.

Wow....

Talk about an object lesson for removing the 'too' from your own eye...
 
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it's like...hypocrisy elevated to an art form or something, huh

of course that is just a pov, i guess i do it also, but who could describe a better interp of "sits in the holy of holies, proclaiming himself God."
 
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it's like...hypocrisy elevated to an art form or something, huh

of course that is just a pov, i guess i do it also, but who could describe a better interp of "sits in the holy of holies, proclaiming himself God."
Yes, YOU talk of hypocrisy yet you call yourself a follower of Christ - while repeatedly lying on this forum and supporting others who commit the same sin.

This is the height of hypocrisy . . .
 

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Wow....

Talk about an object lesson for removing the 'too' from your own eye...
Wow - you actually entered a post without being blasphemous or heretical.
Good for you . . .
 

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Wow - you actually entered a post without being blasphemous or heretical.
Good for you . . .

Nice. You're not wrong, it's just another opportunity to attack.....you've mastered the art of kicking em while you're down!
 

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GENERAL BIBLE QUESTIONS
Multiple choice, answer with just the number of the question and your chosen answer. Example: 1. T

1.) True or false: The Bible has a verse(s) that lists what books belong in the Bible.
If true, quote the chapter and verse______________________________

2. If the Bible doesn't tell us what books belong in it, then is the Bible's "table of contents" merely a human tradition?
A) yes
B) no, its not by "merely human tradition" that compiled the Holy Books
C) all traditions are to be condemned

3. If the list of Biblical books is not revealed in the Bible itself, what men drew up the list?
A) Luther, Calvin, Knox, and Zwingli
B) The Twelve Apostles
C) The Jewish Council of Jamnia in the 1st century
D) Several Bishops in 4 councils from the 2nd to the 4th century

4. Why do you trust these men?
A) they were guided by the Holy Spirit
B) their offices were of direct descent from the Apostles
C) they were in general agreement
D) all of the above

5. Is their list infallible? (without error)
A) yes
B) no, Luther removed the added books 1100 years later and made
it infallible
C) no, the Jewish council of Jamnia (95 AD) had more authority about the canon of scripture than Christians, even though they rejected Christ and the message of the New Testament.
D) No, the bible came from God, it didn't come from man, that's why its infallible.

6. If the list of books in YOUR Bible is infallible, on what authority is it so?
A) by virtue of the office of the bishops who proved which ones of the many books were inspired
B) the power to bind and loose which was given to the Church
C) by the authority of Christ which lives in the Church
D) King James, who gathered the books from the Apostles, and lived to be 1600 years old.
E) I trust the publisher
F) A, B, C

7. True or False: Even though the list of books in the bible is not in the bible, it is an infallible list.?

8. If their list is not infallible, and is merely a human tradition, why do you trust it? On what authority?
A) God decided the list, not men. That is why I trust it, on the authority of the Holy Spirit, Who had no need of men to make the list.
B) the list IS infallible, on the authority that Jesus gave to sinful Church leaders.
C) the list IS infallible on the authority that the Holy Spirit gives me a good feeling about it.

9) Some claim the Bible says that unless doctrines are explicitly found in scripture, they cannot be trusted. State any explicit biblical basis for this doctrine, Old or New Testament.
A) there is no such scripture or biblical basis
B) all scripture is God breathed

10) If (9) has no verses to support the claim, but you accept it as a doctrine anyway, isn't that an extra-biblical "rule of faith and practice", or an extra-biblical doctrine?
A) yes
B) no
 
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Well, then you go the way you feel led. All I have asked you to do, is to let me go my way with my wonderful Savior, and not try so hard to get me into a religious place, which is the last place I want to be. I want to be IN HIM, not IN a religion. Mary, I don't particularly want to start this off again. If you KNOW where the Lord wants you, well who am I to argue with you? As I keep saying, all you can do is follow, what you are so sure is right, and I must do the same. Considering all the various factions of all sorts of religions and doctrines floating about these days, I can only be grateful to the Lord for starting me off, without me having to try to figure out what the Bible meant about one thing or another. Personally I am stoked to have gotten it that way, and when I then finally did get a Bible, and found the things in there, albeit written differently than He spoke ( He spoke to me as you would a small child ) it was astounding to me.
Anyway Mary, whether you are coming from a right heart this time, I still cannot see any point in us continuing these posts, as you made it clear that you think the Holy Spirit appointed you to lead me to Him, I do not need you to do so, so perhaps you can find someone else who would let you do that ?Have a nice day Pia

Thank you Pia.

Because people think they can pick up the bible, read it, properly interpret it and live life the way THEY think scripture tells them too is the reason we have all these "various factions" that you mentioned. You are in a faction also. You are in the faction of 'I can read the bible and figure it out on my own, I don't need authority over me, I am my own authority'.

As you know through your history classes in high school the bible (books) was not available to the average person for the first 1,500 years of Christianity because the printing press hadn't been invented yet. The average person did not own a book AND the average person couldn't read. They relied on The Church for scriptural interpretation and authority on what to believe...Just like scripture says to do.

Your "faction"
has only been around for 500 years. My "faction" has been around for 2,000 years. Scripture says we are not to have factions but speak with one voice. Your faction is built on many voices and each one of them thinks they are right. My faction has one voice.

Here are the answers to both your questions in your post:

Question #1: I know where the Lord wants me. To communicate, discuss and debate with people who think they can read the bible and interpret it properly and lead them to The Truth.

Question #2: I didn't find you so I can't "find someone else". We were brought together. It wasn't our choice.

Matthew 16:18, Matthew 18:18, 1 Timothy 3:15, 1 Corinthians 1:10, 2 Peter 3:16-17, Acts 8:30-31, Acts chapter 15, Romans 15:6, Galatians 18:5-21

Respectfully, Mary
 
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We have an authority His name is Jesus and He gave us another,

Joh_14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
why?? Because God knew how man would corrupt everything so He as always sent us a life line, His best, but men prefer second best, religion.
1Jn_5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
You will never find agreement in "church" if you desire teh truth, only place you will find it is in Jesus.
1Co_2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
so we must decide who do we serve. God or man.
Dear Sir,

You have yourself as your own authority. Are you not serving a man?

Curious Mary

(Self-serving defined: serving one's own interests often in disregard of the truth or the interests of others)
 

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Mary,
I enjoyed reading 'A Cloistered Walk' by Kathleen Norris before I joined th CC. I may have told you this before - she Presbyterian, but decided to become a Benedictine Oblate. I was Presbyterian before I became Catholic - I am a Benedictine Oblate at Mt. Angel Monastery in Oregon. I also enjoyed reading st. Teresa of Avila and early Thomas Merton
Based on your recommendation I just ordered The Cloister Walk from the library. It got a high rating (4.1) on goodreads.com so I look forward to it.

Thank You
 
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Nice. You're not wrong, it's just another opportunity to attack.....you've mastered the art of kicking em while you're down!
Hi Aspen,

What was the purpose of post #1944? Was that an "attack"?...even if only a small one?

Maybe I am misinterpreting it o_O.

Mary
 

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Nice. You're not wrong, it's just another opportunity to attack.....you've mastered the art of kicking em while you're down!
No - I've mastered the art of recognizing dissident "Catholics" like yourself.
 

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@BreadOfLife I have a question...please don't get mad when you answer.
Can you tell me why it is that you feel so strongly about having to defend your Church?
If your church is totally solid and right...why on earth does it need defending. Isn't that a sign of weakness in yourself?

I know quite a few Catholics ,about six or seven...not one of them feels insecure enough in their Church or their faith, that they have to defend it.
They just disagree with how I see things..and we get on with out life without arguing the issue.
You do seem a little obsessed about lies...which you write as lies .
This too comes across more as a weakness rather than a strength , from you.
If you really believe that truth is truth...then why do you feel to fight instead of what the bible says about "be strong in the Lord, and in the power of His might."...
I do really hope , that outside of this forum you are a 'happy go lucky' person who can enjoy their life and their faith.
God bless.....H
 
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@BreadOfLife I have a question...please don't get mad when you answer.
Can you tell me why it is that you feel so strongly about having to defend your Church?
If your church is totally solid and right...why on earth does it need defending. Isn't that a sign of weakness in yourself?

I know quite a few Catholics ,about six or seven...not one of them feels insecure enough in their Church or their faith, that they have to defend it.
They just disagree with how I see things..and we get on with out life without arguing the issue.
You do seem a little obsessed about lies...which you write as lies .
This too comes across more as a weakness rather than a strength , from you.
If you really believe that truth is truth...then why do you feel to fight instead of what the bible says about "be strong in the Lord, and in the power of His might."...
I do really hope , that outside of this forum you are a 'happy go lucky' person who can enjoy their life and their faith.
God bless.....H
As I have said over and over again - I'm not here to argue.
I'm not even here to defend, really.
I am here to expose people who tells lies and fairy tales about what the Catholic Church teaches.

There are a lot of people who come here seeking the truth and they have a right not to have to put up with myths and lies about the Catholic Church - or ANY other sect of Christianity.

Telling falsehoods about each other's beliefs is an epidemic among Protestants.
 

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Thank you Pia.

Because people think they can pick up the bible, read it, properly interpret it and live life the way THEY think scripture tells them too is the reason we have all these "various factions" that you mentioned. You are in a faction also. You are in the faction of 'I can read the bible and figure it out on my own, I don't need authority over me, I am my own authority'.

As you know through your history classes in high school the bible (books) was not available to the average person for the first 1,500 years of Christianity because the printing press hadn't been invented yet. The average person did not own a book AND the average person couldn't read. They relied on The Church for scriptural interpretation and authority on what to believe...Just like scripture says to do.

Your "faction"
has only been around for 500 years. My "faction" has been around for 2,000 years. Scripture says we are not to have factions but speak with one voice. Your faction is built on many voices and each one of them thinks they are right. My faction has one voice.

Here are the answers to both your questions in your post:

Question #1: I know where the Lord wants me. To communicate, discuss and debate with people who think they can read the bible and interpret it properly and lead them to The Truth.

Question #2: I didn't find you so I can't "find someone else". We were brought together. It wasn't our choice.

Matthew 16:18, Matthew 18:18, 1 Timothy 3:15, 1 Corinthians 1:10, 2 Peter 3:16-17, Acts 8:30-31, Acts chapter 15, Romans 15:6, Galatians 18:5-21

Respectfully, Mary

I thought you said you were not a Romanist. How is it that they are your 'faction'? Perhaps I misunderstood you.

Stranger
 
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@BreadOfLife I have a question...please don't get mad when you answer.
Can you tell me why it is that you feel so strongly about having to defend your Church?
If your church is totally solid and right...why on earth does it need defending. Isn't that a sign of weakness in yourself?

I know quite a few Catholics ,about six or seven...not one of them feels insecure enough in their Church or their faith, that they have to defend it.
They just disagree with how I see things..and we get on with out life without arguing the issue.
You do seem a little obsessed about lies...which you write as lies .
This too comes across more as a weakness rather than a strength , from you.
If you really believe that truth is truth...then why do you feel to fight instead of what the bible says about "be strong in the Lord, and in the power of His might."...
I do really hope , that outside of this forum you are a 'happy go lucky' person who can enjoy their life and their faith.
God bless.....H
Instead of coming after me for calling people out for lying about the Catholic Church - why aren't you asking yourself what is motivating these people to lie in the first place??

Guilty people tend to lash out at the person who caught them instead of looking at themselves . . .
 

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I am here to expose people who tells lies and fairy tales about what the Catholic Church teaches.
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Thank you for your response. But I still wonder "why"?
Many people as you say..disagree with other people about how to 'walk-out' their daily christian life. I agree ( talking about all denominations now...not Catholics) ..there is much finger pointing and calls of heretic etc
But really, bottom line, who really gives a fig. I don't care what anyone thinks about me or my beliefs...it's up to me to make my "calling and election sure." At the end of all this..I don't believe God will care one iota whether we defended this concept, that doctrine, or the other...He will care how we stood in the faith in regard to His Son, and His command to Love Him and Love our neighbour...I believe that is the scale that will weigh everything and every man..at the End. And we all pray that when we are "weighed in the balance", we will not be found wanting.
Bless you...H
 
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I thought you said you were not a Romanist. How is it that they are your 'faction'? Perhaps I misunderstood you.

Stranger

I thought the very same thing...but then, "if it looks & walks like a duck , quacks like a duck ..etc etc...."
 
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