Jesus is a human being but not the one true God

[amadeus]

That was my feeling too, but the one most theologically rejected.

My feeling is that God will provide all the important answers when we ask Him a question.

Some verses are very difficult to understand.
Who are the sons of God and the daughters of men?
Who really cares?
In the end, what difference does it make?

Jesus made sure that we understand what we NEED to know.
So, I agree that we know all we need to know and do not need anything else.

The O.T. was written 4,000 years ago!
Who can know what some things mean??

I am certainly with you on this. There a lot discussions or arguments going on about things which are at best fuzzy to me. I admit that over the years some previously fuzzy things have been made clearer, but that is far from being the whole loaf. I continue to read the entire Bible regularly in addition to any specific studies I may get into.. But, a number of things I put up on a shelf because I don't understand them and at this point they do not fit into the vision I have. I am careful to talk to God [pray] also regularly so as not to give up on anything important and to ask Him to clarify for me anything that I need when I need it. He always knows. I do not.

Some of the discussions on this forum [and others], I have not entered into for the above reasons. If something catches my attention, I may read some of the posts, but I don't want to waste time on something that would not seem to be edifying for me or for someone else.

What does God want from us? I am purposely not trying to answer that question now.

 

[OzSpen]

Have zero clue what that means. I was not brought up in an English speaking country ( prior to moving to Australia ). could you perhaps elaborate? although i do perceive that the 'tone' of what you wrote is just another 'accusation' or 'attack'....if I am wrong on this, please set me straight.....

pia,

I in no way was accusing or attacking you. I'm sorry that you interpreted me this way. My Nana was born in Germany & came to Australia & continued to speak German. But I'm Aussie born and bred.

Experientialism is the theory that experience is the source of knowledge. When you speak of your encounters with Jesus, by way of experience, I find that a cause for concern. It means that my experience is just as valid as yours. Without a fixed standard of belief like the Bible, we are going to have billions of theories of what is right and wrong.

As I've already stated to you, when we base our teaching on experience, there is no way for me to know which Jesus we are talking about. We know which Jesus he is when we accept what the Scriptures state.

May you have a blessed day in the west. It's sunny with clear skies and a predicted high temp of 29C today after 15C overnight. How have the temperatures and weather been for you?

Blessings,
Oz

 

[OzSpen]

oh, nah, it's not a big deal...i mean, pick which one you think it would be hardest to find support for, most of them you aready know right

bby,

What you added to my theology was false, as I understand Scripture. It is a big deal when you are promoting something not in Scripture on a Christian forum.

Oz

 

[lforrest]

Because a living individual cannot enter a locked room and come as or in light, which most definitely wasn't there, just prior to His coming into my room....There was no door nor window where He entered.
But mostly it was because as my eyes met His, I instantly KNEW who He was/is......That I cannot explain, all I can do is to report it...

I disagree. Jesus is alive, we just have little knowledge of what he is capable of in his glorified body.

 

[Dcopymope]

I disagree. Jesus is alive, we just have little knowledge of what he is capable of in his glorified body.

Wait a minute, did he really say Jesus is not a living entity? If he's not alive then none of us can claim to be saved. Its the foundation, the 'chief cornerstone' of the faith, without it we have nothing.

 

[lforrest]

Wait a minute, did he really say Jesus is not a living entity? If he's not alive then none of us can claim to be saved. Its the foundation, the 'chief cornerstone' of the faith, without it we have nothing.

That's how I read it. But Jesus already proved to Thomas he isn't a ghost.

 

[lforrest]

bby,

What you added to my theology was false, as I understand Scripture. It is a big deal when you are promoting something not in Scripture on a Christian forum.

Oz

I wish you could click a quote and it would take you back to that thread, it is hard to follow. And that was way, way, far back.

 

[Dcopymope]

That's how I read it. But Jesus already proved to Thomas he isn't a ghost.

Exactly, and it just goes to show that we couldn't possibly have a full understanding of the things promised to us, or what "spirit" really is with our little pea brains. Some people need to take some time off from society, study and meditate on the word more, because Hollywood, Satan's playground is clearly having an influence on their thoughts.

 

[Helen]

pia,

I in no way was accusing or attacking you. I'm sorry that you interpreted me this way. My Nana was born in Germany & came to Australia & continued to speak German. But I'm Aussie born and bred.

Experientialism is the theory that experience is the source of knowledge. When you speak of your encounters with Jesus, by way of experience, I find that a cause for concern. It means that my experience is just as valid as yours. Without a fixed standard of belief like the Bible, we are going to have billions of theories of what is right and wrong.

As I've already stated to you, when we base our teaching on experience, there is no way for me to know which Jesus we are talking about. We know which Jesus he is when we accept what the Scriptures state.

May you have a blessed day in the west. It's sunny with clear skies and a predicted high temp of 29C today after 15C overnight. How have the temperatures and weather been for you?

Blessings,
Oz

Hi there...
I know what you are saying here and can understand and agree. We do all need the Firm Foundation which we know is Christ Himself... that is our solid base.
1 Cor. 3:11 "For no other foundation can a man lay than what is laid, which is Jesus Christ."
But do you not believe that upon that foundation God's builds?
( like "add to your faith virtue and to virtue" ..etc ) and as in Heb 6
"Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God"
Maybe I am totally wrong in how I read you...but do you throw out any ( and every) encounter that people say that they have had in the spirit realm?
My husband has never had any of those encounters 'in the spirit'..but I have had many over the decades. I just tell him that maybe God gave them to me because my faith was weaker than his. Or maybe since I was born again in 1964 I always expected to have experiences in the spirit... not sure which.
Because we know that all Christians should be truthful , whenever I hear of those things happening to people, I never doubt what another Christian says about their experience with the Lord!
Do you never expect a dream, vision , miracle , or wonderful experience to happen to you from the Lord? We are a supernatural people who serve a awesome supernatural God. Yay!! Nothing should surprise us , and we should be always ready for anything.

Obviously you don't have to answer any of this.
I was just thinking aloud as I read your post.

 

[101G]

The O.T. was written 4,000 years ago!
Who can know what some things mean??

GINOLJC. the OT was written for our Learning and hope, scripture, Romans 15:4 "For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope".

I have said this before, the OT is the NT Hidden. and the NT is the OT revealed.

be blessed.

 

[Stranger]

Both as you say are important, [I would not say equally important.] But as I am sure you already know some people lean too much on the literal while others lean too much on the spiritual. Jesus made it clear for to me in the following verses what was the most important thing:

"And Jesus answered and said unto her, Martha, Martha, thou art careful and troubled about many things:
But one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her." Luke 10:41-42

Of course the double mindedness James mentions probably speaks more strongly to those who hang onto the carnal things of temptation along with the good things of God. This is trying to serve both God and mammon. Stewardship of material things including our physical body is thing a bit different than serving mammon.

We are responsible for caring for our physical bodies as good stewards of the things of God. But the care of this dying vessel must necessarily be secondary to properly nourishing inner man of which the Apostle Paul wrote.

We may still be in some measure double - minded in a bad way after having met Jesus because we are still attracted by the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eye and the pride of life [see I John 2:16], but we need to come to the single mindedness that Jesus lived... eventually. If we follow and obey him, we can do it. For man it is impossible, but for God nothing it impossible.

If you come to the single mindedness that Jesus lived you would have His view of Scripture, which you and others appear not to have.

(Matt. 4:4,7,10) (Matt. 5:18)

Stranger

 

[ScottA]

The hypostatic union (i.e. Jesus was the God-man)--Jesus called Himself "Son of Man"

This is the answer: The joining of heaven and earth, that which is perfect with that which is fallen and imperfect. But it is not a "union" in that respect, but rather a rescue. Christ came to save that which was lost...but has done so through weakness.

What you have identified as changing, is indeed changing...that is the miracle of it.

So, then, we see in the world what is manifest of God as unchanging, and also see what is manifest that is changing. To live (in the world, in Christ) is Christ, whom lowered Himself. The change is from yesterday, to today, to forever.

Praise God!

 

[amadeus]

If you come to the single mindedness that Jesus lived you would have His view of Scripture, which you and others appear not to have.

(Matt. 4:4,7,10) (Matt. 5:18)

Stranger

I've only met one two men who even seemed to come close to what you call Jesus view and they also have come up short as far as I can see. Then again what can I see?

You don't have to tell me that I have come up short. I already know that, but He is not finished with me yet. But... have a care with your conclusions until you are enough like Jesus to see Him as He is. Who among us is already there?

 

[Stranger]

I've only met one two men who even seemed to come close to what you call Jesus view and they also have come up short as far as I can see. Then again what can I see?

You don't have to tell me that I have come up short. I already know that, but He is not finished with me yet. But... have a care with your conclusions until you are enough like Jesus to see Him as He is. Who among us is already there?

You are there enough to have a correct view of Scripture. I do not take care when an incorrect view of Scripture is presented. I am comfortable in my relationship to God to say that. Have you ever read (Ps. 119)?

Stranger

 

[Helen]

Many here have said that- "we know because the bible 'says so."
Yet is that a true statement??

As far as I am concerned, any knowing I have, is only because the HOLY SPIRIT moved upon my heart to confirm in my soul, the things God has said in the bible.
If we just know .."because the bible says so"..then it seems that every Tom, Dick and Harry that picks up a bible to read ...would also just 'know,' yet they do not!!

In that other thread about 'Knowledge'....Knowledge without the Holy Spirit just makes a person wiser in this world, but does nothing for the next.
Those who read the bible, maybe 'know the bible'..but they know nothing of worth without The Spirit anointing their eyes.

Just my two cents.

 

[GodsGrace]

I am certainly with you on this. There a lot discussions or arguments going on about things which are at best fuzzy to me. I admit that over the years some previously fuzzy things have been made clearer, but that is far from being the whole loaf. I continue to read the entire Bible regularly in addition to any specific studies I may get into.. But, a number of things I put up on a shelf because I don't understand them and at this point they do not fit into the vision I have. I am careful to talk to God [pray] also regularly so as not to give up on anything important and to ask Him to clarify for me anything that I need when I need it. He always knows. I do not.

Some of the discussions on this forum [and others], I have not entered into for the above reasons. If something catches my attention, I may read some of the posts, but I don't want to waste time on something that would not seem to be edifying for me or for someone else.

What does God want from us? I am purposely not trying to answer that question now.

What does God want from us?
The answer to that seems easy to me.
Jesus came preaching the Kingdom of God.
He wants us to act like we're MEMBERS of the Kingdom of God !

Do you think there's more??

 

[GodsGrace]

I wish you could click a quote and it would take you back to that thread, it is hard to follow. And that was way, way, far back.

I click, clicked.

bb wrote in post 353...
This is what he wrote:

so, i was kind of rushed before, but just for instance:

• 
  
• The sovereignty of God--satan is the ruler of the world
  
• The omnipresence of God--God is in heaven, and Christians, most of whom believe Jesus is God, are presently waiting for Jesus to return to earth. Do you believe Trinity doctrine or not?
  
• The omnipotence of God--God cannot do things in the earth without a human asking in prayer
  
• The foreknowledge of God--God is said to be "sorry" that He did a thing
  
• The salvation of God--God is the All Consuming Fire
  
• The hypostatic union (i.e. Jesus was the God-man)--Jesus called Himself "Son of Man"
  
• The Trinity--Oneness, Unity, Twoness
  
• Jesus' atonement--No man may die for the sins of another
  
• etc.--etc

Without going through each item separately, I DO agree that some of the above are not biblical.

BUT, I just recently realized the name of this forum:
UNORTHODOX DOCTRINE FORUM

 

[Stranger]

Many here have said that- 'we know because the bible 'says so.'
Yet is that a true statement??

As far as I am concerned, any knowing I have, is only because the HOLY SPIRIT moved upon my heart to confirm in my soul, the things God has said in the bible.
If we just know "because the bible says so"..then every Joe, Jack and Susie that picked up a bible at any time and read...would also know, yet they do not!!

In that other thread about 'Knowledge'....Knowledge without the Holy Spirit just makes a person wiser in this world, but does nothing for the next.
Those who read the bible, maybe 'know the bible'..but they know nothing of worth without The Spirit anointing their eyes.

Just my two cents.

Who is saying the Holy Spirit is not active when you read the Bible? No one.

Who says you learn knowledge of the Bible without the Holy Spirit? No one I know.

Yes, the Holy Spirit has moved upon your heart to confirm in your soul, the things God has said in the Bible. Both are required.

Stranger

 

[GodsGrace]

GINOLJC. the OT was written for our Learning and hope, scripture, Romans 15:4 "For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope".

I have said this before, the OT is the NT Hidden. and the NT is the OT revealed.

be blessed.

Yes 101.
You've said correctly.
So you understand EVERYTHING in the O.T.?
What does "the sons of God and the daughters of man" mean?

 

[amadeus]

You are there enough to have a correct view of Scripture.

Perhaps, but nonetheless from what I have seen, I believe that you believe that my view of scripture is incorrect. Did I get that right?

I do not take care when an incorrect view of Scripture is presented. I am comfortable in my relationship to God to say that. Have you ever read (Ps. 119)? Stranger

I am glad you are comfortable in your relationship with God. Much of the time I am as well. The exceptions are when I recognize that I have quenched the Spirit.

Yes, I have read the 119th Psalm probably dozens of times over the years. That alone however would not make me special. I just hope that I come up what Apostle Paul describes as "reasonable service".