"Hallowed be thy Name!" - WHAT name?

[theQuestion]

I had always understood Jesus to mean when He said :" I have revealed your Name and will continue to reveal it." as speaking about our Fathers character, as people did not that many decades ago....A man was seen to have a good 'name', if he was seen to be honest and trustworthy , a good family man etc......I had never thought it was talking about a first name for our Father , also I understood it as our Father having given us the ONE name by which we can access all things in Him, and that is the name of Jesus.......When people asked Jesus to teach them to pray He started with "Our Father" not a name...Later He said to His disciples " I go to my Father and your Father" again, no actual first name...

You have to remember 3 points on this, PIA~
1- It appears there was no Greek equivalent of God's name; thus the Septuagint of Jesus' Day (which he READ from!) had it written in HEBREW.
2- The Jews burned copies of the 'New Testament',as the churches call it, that HAD the Name in them (was it, too, in Hebrew?),
and
3- Jesus said to HONOR God's name, which, while including all that goes WITH it, still INCLUDES that Name He said would be His FOREVER!

It's better to use what form it has taken in whatever language you speak, that to REPLACE it with "LORD" as Churchianity and the Apostate Jews have done for so long!

 

[101G]

Good, now pull out your "Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionary" and tell me the root of the noun 'adam H120. You may notice that many words and names stem from verbals.

GOOD, I'm glade you made this point. H119 אָדַם 'adam (aw-dam') v. now get out your Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionary and tell us is do H119 אָדַם 'adam (aw-dam') AS A VERB identifies Adam as a Person anywhere in the the creation account. .... well we will be waiting for the chapter and verse in Genesis account where it is found in reference to Adam.

now, let me help you out again. understand Richard, VERBS are not NOUNS. listen, VERBS describe something "ACTIONS" in "WHAT" one do. remember what I said before, "WHAT" someone is vs "WHO" someone is. what Adam H120 is a species that now reproduce, and it's by BLOOD, hence the identifier H119. see, the single man/Adam is H121 אָדָם 'Adam alone. on day six Adam, (made male and female) is H120 is a species, but when God "formed" adam/man on day 3 he is single, H121.

so your H119 is eliminated as to "WHO" Adam/man is. see Richard, the First Adam/man did not have a PERSONAL name..... (smile) you didn't know that did you. see Adam is "WHAT" he is and not "WHO" he is in personal name. well if you didn't know before, now you do.

now do so research and come back

 

[101G]

The phrase: “Who will have all men to be saved” in verse 4, must be qualified. The underlined words should be understood in light of Matthew 1:21. There we read:

“And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.”

Lack of understanding, 1 John 4:14 "And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world". now this, 1 John 2:2 "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. see, Jun2u you must understand who God's people are".

 

[101G]

oop's one more,

So we see not all men are saved! God’s truth is my truth. If Jesus saved all men then there will be no one in hell, and that is impossible, because hell will heavily be populated. And you are correct, WE OUGHT TO BELIEVE GOD RATHER THAN MAN!

all men saved are his people.... (smile). and I'm still correct, WE OUGHT TO BELIEVE GOD RATHER THAN MAN... come on Jun in thy getting get understanding.

 

[101G]

Isa 52:6 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak; behold, it is I.

Now the only difference, is the manner in which we understand, or the manner in which we perceive haShem (the Name) and what haShem is. For you, haShem is "Jehovah", I have no problem with that, however also know, that is not likely the true pronunciation, for it was developed by taking the nikud from other words and using them to form JeHoVaH. It is a man made construct. Yes, I know that some claim the nikud of JeHoVaH are from 'adonay, and others have claimed the "e" is from 'elohim.

U said, "Now the only difference, is the manner in which we understand". you got that right. JeHoVaH, It is a man made construct. you got that right.

Also as I am confident you know, "God" is a title, not a name.

yes, an Appellation, so why you don't know that God is a diversity of himself according to the scriptures?.

 

[theQuestion]

"God is a diversity of himself according to the scriptures"

 

[101G]

"God is a diversity of himself according to the scriptures"

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yes, this is correct. do you know what a "diversity" is according to the scriptures? NO.... (smile)

 

[theQuestion]

Care to EXPLAIN that, 101G? Hopefully with scriptures.....

yes, this is correct. do you know what a "diversity" is according to the scriptures? NO.... (smile)

No, I don't know what it means in churchese.
Please explain.

 

[amadeus]

Jesus COMMANDED us to teach.
Do you have anything true to do so?
A wise man realizes how stupid he is, and that he can ALWAYS learn from others.
I don't appreciate your false accusation.

Does the sarcasm help get your points across? Did you not use sarcasm in this thread? For what purpose? Did Jesus ever teach in this manner?

Even if you were right in every point, what would have you gained and what have you lost by a lack of charity?

"Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase." I Cor 3:5-7

 

[theQuestion]

Does the sarcasm help get your points across? Did you not use sarcasm in this thread? For what purpose? Did Jesus ever teach in this manner?
Even if you were right in every point, what would have you gained and what have you lost by a lack of charity?
"Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase." I Cor 3:5-7

I am not Jesus, and am sarcastic by nature- but wasn't aware of posting sarcasm.
Can you give me an example?
"Lack of Charity"?
Please show me an example of Christ showing Charity to the Jewish clergy- who were lying about God and trying to kill him....
And, it looks like you have never read the Bible all the way thru.
Sometimes even those who are servants of God ridicule Deceivers; Christ did, calling the Pharisees painted
Tombstones beautiful on the outside and filthy on the inside, and with his Illustration of the Rich man and Lazarus,
he ridicules the dogma of 'hellfire-like dogma they were absorbing from Greek religion! He called them snake, vipers liars, deceivers and offspring of Satan.

However, Elijah went much further-

1 Kings 18:27- About noontime Elijah began mocking them. “You’ll have to shout louder,”
he scoffed, “for surely he is a god! Perhaps he is daydreaming, or is relieving himself
("or using the toilet" - CEV), or maybe he is away on a trip, or is asleep and needs to be wakened!
28- So they shouted louder, and following their normal custom, they cut themselves with knives and swords until the blood gushed out.

Antichrists in CHURCHianity turn a Loving God into 3 Sadistic Beings, teach Satan's Lie (that we
never die), ignoring nearly every truth the Bible teaches, then whine that we 'insult' them, and aren't kind and loving to them...

It is sad, comical- and sick, all at the same time!
If Christ or Elijah had just called them "idiots" instead- it would have been a Kindness!

So, if they want to blaspheme God and Christ, as well as ridicule us for our efforts to obey the King, I have no desire to be kind with them- BUT I don't insult them- even though they take my description of them as such.

 

[Jun2u]

Lack of understanding, 1 John 4:14 "And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world". now this, 1 John 2:2 "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. see, Jun2u you must understand who God's people are".

I believe it is you who lacks understanding! I John 4:14 is merely indicating that in all of the whole world, Jesus is the only Saviour and no one else.

In 1 John 2;2, the phrase “not for ours only” John was addressing the believers in his day, and the phrase, "for the sins of the whole world" he was addressing the believers that are to be saved which are scattered all over the world up to this present time, and until the last Gentile is saved.

Now combine Matthew 1:21 with the 1 John account above and we get perfect harmony!

It is not that a Christian lacks understanding Scriptures, rather it is a lack of connecting the dots, as you will. That is, a lack of not being able to connect scriptures together. Also, it depends on their presuppositions! Yes, every denomination or belief has its’ own presuppositions.

I might be mistaken, but I believe you are a Unitarian, and rightly so, you will interpret Scriptures by your denomination's presuppositions.

You seem to be an intelligent person and have knowledge of scriptures, but, unfortunately, we are not saved because of knowledge of Scriptures. If I were you, which you're probably thinking I’m not, I would examine myself if I’m really a child of God.

Anyone that teaches another Jesus than that of the Bible, he is accursed.

I guess you did not get to your “next question,” as you’ve anticipated maybe, because you had not expected my answers to be different?

To God Be The Glory

 

[theQuestion]

Jun2u: Jesus is the only Saviour and no one else.
Wrong~
Rev 7:10- And they cried out in a loud voice: “Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne, AND to the Lamb.”


Jun2u: Anyone that teaches another Jesus than that of the Bible, he is accursed.
Do YOU teach Jesus a Godman in heaven- or that he was raised again as a spirit being?

 

[101G]

Care to EXPLAIN that, 101G? Hopefully with scriptures.....


No, I don't know what it means in churchese.
Please explain.

see my topic "diversified oneness".

 

[101G]

I believe it is you who lacks understanding! I John 4:14 is merely indicating that in all of the whole world, Jesus is the only Saviour and no one else.

In 1 John 2;2, the phrase “not for ours only” John was addressing the believers in his day, and the phrase, "for the sins of the whole world" he was addressing the believers that are to be saved which are scattered all over the world up to this present time, and until the last Gentile is saved.

Now combine Matthew 1:21 with the 1 John account above and we get perfect harmony!

It is not that a Christian lacks understanding Scriptures, rather it is a lack of connecting the dots, as you will. That is, a lack of not being able to connect scriptures together. Also, it depends on their presuppositions! Yes, every denomination or belief has its’ own presuppositions.

I might be mistaken, but I believe you are a Unitarian, and rightly so, you will interpret Scriptures by your denomination's presuppositions.

You seem to be an intelligent person and have knowledge of scriptures, but, unfortunately, we are not saved because of knowledge of Scriptures. If I were you, which you're probably thinking I’m not, I would examine myself if I’m really a child of God.

Anyone that teaches another Jesus than that of the Bible, he is accursed.

I guess you did not get to your “next question,” as you’ve anticipated maybe, because you had not expected my answers to be different?

To God Be The Glory

LOL, who is God people around the WORLD. let the scripture speak, Romans 9:8 "That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed". but who is a Jew?, let the bible speak, Romans 2:28 & 29 "For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God".

 

[theQuestion]

see my topic "diversified oneness".

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[101G]

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since you're gasping for air, let's give you some. I asked a question, "who sets on the throne in Revelation 4, and 5, maybe you can answer that for us?. now mind you be clear, is it the one whom you calls Father or the one whom called the son. your answer please.

 

[101G]

theQuestion, are you still with us?

 

[theQuestion]

since you're gasping for air, let's give you some. I asked a question, "who sets on the throne in Revelation 4, and 5, maybe you can answer that for us?. now mind you be clear, is it the one whom you calls Father or the one whom called the son. your answer please.

If you're too lazy to POST the scripture, I will not look it up FOR you.

 

[101G]

If you're too lazy to POST the scripture, I will not look it up FOR you.

now that's a classic example of a "I DON"T HAVE A CLUE". I don't know the answer.

but no worries, it's the Lord Jesus sitting on the throne, see how easy it is to answer a question, which you really don't know.

 

[theQuestion]

now that's a classic example of a "I DON"T HAVE A CLUE". I don't know the answer.
but no worries, it's the Lord Jesus sitting on the throne, see how easy it is to answer a question, which you really don't know.

My, the mindless insults.

Daniel 7:13- I saw in the night-visions, and, behold, there came with the clouds of heaven one like unto a son of man, and he came even to the Ancient of Days, and they brought him near before Him. 14- And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all the peoples, nations, and languages should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.