There is almost zero in here that looks anything like Christ

[ScottA]

ha so because there is an ideal to strive for at one end, and on the other end ppl are naturally hypocrites, we'll keep getting mixed messages, i guess.

Something like that.

 

[amadeus]

The reason why we where put in this flesh,m was so that God in all His wisdom, could protect our spirit. just as a Jar protects the Wine on the inside. Unlike the fallen angels, there where created spirit, but left there first estate. for them there is no going back, they went form light to darkness. Us well God isnt concerned with teh outside, teh flesh, just teh precious cargo on teh inside. Unlike the pharisees and religious.

Mat_23:25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.

Man always starts on the outside trying to make the flesh look good, but it does nothing for teh inside, where God starts on the inside which can change the outside if one is willing to be changed.

It is that thing of trying to put our best foot forward instead of openly manifesting to anyone who is looking the reality of the mess we really are.

 

[pia]

i'd have to ask for some support for this

everyone does not share your perspective on love

i'd have to ask for some support for this, imo the law has not been buried, and sin still separates us from God imo
go and sin no more
be perfect as I am perfect

He wasn't resurrected as yet....It says in the Bible that God nailed the law to the cross, so that with the cross it is 'dead', it has no more power, because Jesus paid for ALL of it, one time for all time....It is fully believing this, which is able to save us, we for sure cannot do that of ourselves, no matter how hard we try not to sin

 

[bbyrd009]

He wasn't resurrected as yet....It says in the Bible that God nailed the law to the cross, so that with the cross it is 'dead', it has no more power, because Jesus paid for ALL of it, one time for all time....It is fully believing this, which is able to save us, we for sure cannot do that of ourselves, no matter how hard we try not to sin

i disagree; the remedy Christ gave us for sin is rebound/forgiveness, it is not about trying not to sin.

And i also disagree that you cannot not sin no matter how hard you try, anyway. Besides being a poor perspective--as apparently if you are still in that perspective, you must still be under the law; that is the definition of "under the law," "defeated by sin"--this also is a way to deny Christ, by saying essentially "never mind the Good News i have supposedly received; that i can now confess and rebound when i sin, and needn't fear 'an eye for an eye,' or that i can forgive and accept a confession now, rather than demanding recompense under the law. None of that matters to me, because i will sin again at some point; oh, what will i ever do then?"

This might clarify a bit if you would describe to me that last time someone came to you with a complaint against you, and the resolution, if you would.
How long ago was that, too, if you don't mind.

 

[bbyrd009]

because Jesus paid for ALL of it, one time for all time

so you can just sin all you want now, because Jesus paid the price? See, it has to be one or the other here, i think.

 

[Dcopymope]

so you can just sin all you want now, because Jesus paid the price? See, it has to be one or the other here, i think.

If you could just sin all you want, then Paul, the guy the hyper grace believers like so much would have unequivocally stated the law to be abolished, of which he said nothing of the kind, at all, in any of his writings. The Bible defines being saved, the new covenant as the law being written in your inward parts because of its fulfillment by Jesus who atoned for the sins that the law condemns. God see's the law within you so therefore you won't be judged by it when the time comes. The unsaved however will be in a world of hurt.

(Colossians 2:11-17) "In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: {12} Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. {13} And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; {14} Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; {15} And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. {16} Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: {17} Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ."

At no point does it state the law being "against us" and nailed to the cross. In context, what was actually nailed to the cross was our trespasses against the law, the record of our sins that the rest of the world will be judged for. By the circumcision made without hands, Paul also states we are no longer required to keep the sabbath, because Jesus Christ is the sabbath.

 

[bbyrd009]

Paul also states we are no longer required to keep the sabbath, because Jesus Christ is the sabbath.

so you say, but i would keep an open mind there. Regulating the Sabbath for other people, now that is different

 

[Dcopymope]

so you say, but i would keep an open mind there. Regulating the Sabbath for other people, now that is different

So scripture says, not what I say.

 

[bbyrd009]

So scripture says, not what I say.

yet many people disagree with you, as does Ezekiel, apparently. But fwiw i have no objection if you choose to believe that Jesus still needs to do something else to save you.

 

[Dcopymope]

yet many people disagree with you, as does Ezekiel, apparently. But fwiw i have no objection if you choose to believe that Jesus still needs to do something else to save you.

Can you cite the scripture by Ezekiel stating the law is abolished? Ezekiel claiming the law is abolished would be in opposition to Jeremiah who stated the exact opposite. And it would do you well if you can stop putting words in my mouth. The law is fulfilled, so there is nothing more for Jesus to do for those who are saved. You are saved because God see's the law within you, not because it was "nailed to the cross". Therefore, if the law is abolished, then Jesus died for nothing, and the anti-law bunch don't even realize that.

 

[tabletalk]

Can you cite the scripture by Ezekiel stating the law is abolished? Ezekiel claiming the law is abolished would be in opposition to Jeremiah who stated the exact opposite. And it would do you well if you can stop putting words in my mouth. The law is fulfilled, so there is nothing more for Jesus to do for those who are saved. You are saved because God see's the law within you, not because it was "nailed to the cross". Therefore, if the law is abolished, then Jesus died for nothing, and the anti-law bunch don't even realize that.

"You are saved because God see's the law within you, not because it was "nailed to the cross"."
The Apostle Paul says believers have "fulfilled the righteous requirement" of the law. I'm guessing that that is what God sees in us.
Maybe that's the same as you said.

 

[Dcopymope]

"You are saved because God see's the law within you, not because it was "nailed to the cross"."
The Apostle Paul says believers have "fulfilled the righteous requirement" of the law. I'm guessing that that is what God sees in us.
Maybe that's the same as you said.

It IS the same thing, its exactly what Jeremiah said the new covenant will be all about for Christs sake. The law is righteous and holy, because God is holy. Scripture doesn't contradict itself, God is not the author of confusion, and as some hyper grace believers suggest, "lawless".

 

[bbyrd009]

Can you cite the scripture by Ezekiel stating the law is abolished? Ezekiel claiming the law is abolished would be in opposition to Jeremiah who stated the exact opposite. And it would do you well if you can stop putting words in my mouth. The law is fulfilled, so there is nothing more for Jesus to do for those who are saved. You are saved because God see's the law within you, not because it was "nailed to the cross". Therefore, if the law is abolished, then Jesus died for nothing, and the anti-law bunch don't even realize that.

ah, i made an irrelevant reply there, sorry. Suddenly thought we were talking about rapture lol. Jesus negated one of the Ten Commandments, and Sabbath is abolished now? ok, if you say so. So now it's Small Bidness Day, tra-la

 

[bbyrd009]

You are saved because God see's the law within you, not because it was "nailed to the cross". Therefore, if the law is abolished, then Jesus died for nothing, and the anti-law bunch don't even realize that.

nice

 

[bbyrd009]

It IS the same thing, its exactly what Jeremiah said the new covenant will be all about for Christs sake. The law is righteous and holy, because God is holy. Scripture doesn't contradict itself, God is not the author of confusion, and as some hyper grace believers suggest, "lawless".

Sabbath is a law, i guess though...

 

[Dcopymope]

Sabbath is a law, i guess though...

Well, more like an observance of the law. It is a day of rest that Jesus clearly stated was made for us to start with, not for God. Jesus Christ is the rest, because we are no longer under the condemnation of the law.

 

[pia]

i disagree; the remedy Christ gave us for sin is rebound/forgiveness, it is not about trying not to sin.

And i also disagree that you cannot not sin no matter how hard you try, anyway. Besides being a poor perspective--as apparently if you are still in that perspective, you must still be under the law; that is the definition of "under the law," "defeated by sin"--this also is a way to deny Christ, by saying essentially "never mind the Good News i have supposedly received; that i can now confess and rebound when i sin, and needn't fear 'an eye for an eye,' or that i can forgive and accept a confession now, rather than demanding recompense under the law. None of that matters to me, because i will sin again at some point; oh, what will i ever do then?"

This might clarify a bit if you would describe to me that last time someone came to you with a complaint against you, and the resolution, if you would.
How long ago was that, too, if you don't mind.

I'm quite lost at what you have written here I'm afraid....I KNOW it 's not about trying not to sin, which I point out all the time...As far as anyone having complaints against me, other than on this forum haha, there have not been any for decades, and the only time I had religious people coming against me, was anytime I tried to tell people that Jesus is alive, risen and available to all who is willing to come to Him...No one is able to completely stop sinning and I do agree that Jesus is the remedy for that, but surely you cannot say that His death on the cross had nothing to do with us being able to be saved? or am I going amiss of you post here???

 

[pia]

so you can just sin all you want now, because Jesus paid the price? See, it has to be one or the other here, i think.

Through Him taking all the shame and punishment on our behalves , sin has no more power to separate us from our Father...People cannot not sin, as even a stray thought ( such as a married man perhaps looking at a woman and thinking 'wow she's a dish' or something like that ( lame example I know, but just to illustrate )....But thanks to Jesus they won't be counted as sin to those who have accepted Christs redemption.

 

[bbyrd009]

there have not been any for decades

not a single grumble for decades wow, sure you're not a kiwi? Lol.

and the only time I had religious people coming against me, was anytime I tried to tell people that Jesus is alive, risen and available to all who is willing to come to Him

ya, that oughtta do it, i guess. The religious serve a crucified Lord, and you have just found the Risen One, ok, you came by a different path than most people i guess. We mostly came to Jesus out of fear of hell, see. And this is all written into the Book, too, when one stops reading It as a literal history and gets with the program, so to speak.

No one is able to completely stop sinning

yet you have not had a conflict in years lol. Ok. Prolly a good attitude to hold where that is concerned anyway i guess.

and I do agree that Jesus is the remedy for that, but surely you cannot say that His death on the cross had nothing to do with us being able to be saved? or am I going amiss of you post here?

hmm. Ok, if the program is "The Son of Man must be raised up like a Snake on a Pole, so that all men will be drawn to Him" paraphrased, then one might wonder why like zero Christians have ever heard a sermon on Nehushtan, for instance, especially as they are all so convinced that the Book is Word, and Nehushtan is right there in the Book, after all.

So, there is a seeing and not seeing in store for those who worship Jesus as Nehushtan, or i mean a revealing, and the clues are everywhere, "Greeks" trying to come and worship Jesus, and He "hides from them," etc, all mostly being read as a literal history rather than a dialectic masterpiece, which was factored in to the writing, all because we mostly do not...come from your perspective, see, Scripture is written for us logicians--which is also talked about in Scripture, but this post is way too long already i guess, yikes--who have come to Jesus because we were recruited out of fear, and this is a description of our churches:
...Then you will stand outside and knock on the door, saying, Lord, open up for us!' He will answer you, I don't know you or where you're from.'
26Then you will say, 'We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets!'
27But He will say, I tell you, I don't know you or where you're from. Get away from Me, all you workers of unrighteousness!'

which, just like the "didn't we cast out demons in your name?" language, is the exact same language used to describe...ha well, people like you, basically--both of these passages have "twins" that describe those considered acceptable in the exact same language, see, and this is all through the Bible, which can be thought of as a manual to get people to where you are, to the Risen Lord. But as we can witness, if one attempts to apply logic to Scripture, we get a big mess, no one can agree with anyone else, etc.

Iow, the opposite of where you are, Olam haBa. Which one who knows stuff, see, just cannot be in Olam haBa, because if i know that you have never literally seen Jesus, for instance--even though i cannot possibly know that, of course--then we cannot be in agreement, right. Or iow i cannot hear anything else you have to say, i am shut down, or cut off from...you, in this analogy.

But you cannot imagine how huge a step this is if you have not come to Jesus out of fear, and now serve a Snake on a Pole. You can prolly detect it i guess, right, and many, many, formerly religious people are learning it now, after they bail from church, even if they don't know who Nehushtan is yet, may never know, but the point is they have stopped serving the Snake, 60 million people have left Organized Religion in the...i think it is the US, now, and a lot of these people still seek God, right.

So we are basically dealing with another Diaspora right now, and you are here to lead some to the Risen Lord i guess.
Imo nevermind the tiny % who might reply to one of your posts, and understand that the ratio of readers--who will never reply--to replyers--your feedback--is huge, it's...about 10:1 right now (see site count of ppl onsite right now, guests:members), pretty normal, and that is just right this minute.

Your reply to this post will be read heavily for like prolly the next week, or at least several days, see. And you now have a congregation that you are pastoring, ppl seeking God who get you but don't really get...me, maybe, see. sorry for the book lol

 

[bbyrd009]

Through Him taking all the shame and punishment on our behalves , sin has no more power to separate us from our Father...People cannot not sin, as even a stray thought ( such as a married man perhaps looking at a woman and thinking 'wow she's a dish' or something like that ( lame example I know, but just to illustrate )....But thanks to Jesus they won't be counted as sin to those who have accepted Christs redemption.

well, accepting Christ's redemption is an action, with clearly defined parameters, for anyone with eyes to see imo. Confession is made unto salvation. A religious way of saying that if you are open-hearted, and are quick to realize and admit when you mess up, which will be almost never, like only if/when communication got garbled or something, then sure, i agree with you.

But if you are talking about accepting Christ with one's mouth, while continuing to remain blind to when we have overstepped bounds, or offended others, i'll pass.

and i'll continue to challenge this "ppl cannot not sin" stuff, because if you ("one" here, not you personally) are recognizing some sin 6 times a day, or week, and having to confess and apologize for it, and make it right every time, then a change should be happening, otherwise you are a hypocrite, worshipping a Snake on a Pole, i guess.

Iow imo make the connection on this "accepting Christ's redemption" to IRL, and nevermind the religious connotations, because they are pointless anyway, like taking communion without understanding the spiritual implications of "eat and drink Christ."

see, it is obvious that you have just internalized a lot of that, so you are kind of blind to the fact that most of us are self-serving, even after we get "saved." See how all this "We have all accepted Christ's redemption too!" stuff can be true, or it can be slogans on the wall.