ScottA
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Something like that.ha so because there is an ideal to strive for at one end, and on the other end ppl are naturally hypocrites, we'll keep getting mixed messages, i guess.
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Something like that.ha so because there is an ideal to strive for at one end, and on the other end ppl are naturally hypocrites, we'll keep getting mixed messages, i guess.
It is that thing of trying to put our best foot forward instead of openly manifesting to anyone who is looking the reality of the mess we really are.The reason why we where put in this flesh,m was so that God in all His wisdom, could protect our spirit. just as a Jar protects the Wine on the inside. Unlike the fallen angels, there where created spirit, but left there first estate. for them there is no going back, they went form light to darkness. Us well God isnt concerned with teh outside, teh flesh, just teh precious cargo on teh inside. Unlike the pharisees and religious.
Mat_23:25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
Man always starts on the outside trying to make the flesh look good, but it does nothing for teh inside, where God starts on the inside which can change the outside if one is willing to be changed.
He wasn't resurrected as yet....It says in the Bible that God nailed the law to the cross, so that with the cross it is 'dead', it has no more power, because Jesus paid for ALL of it, one time for all time....It is fully believing this, which is able to save us, we for sure cannot do that of ourselves, no matter how hard we try not to sini'd have to ask for some support for this
everyone does not share your perspective on love
i'd have to ask for some support for this, imo the law has not been buried, and sin still separates us from God imo
go and sin no more
be perfect as I am perfect
i disagree; the remedy Christ gave us for sin is rebound/forgiveness, it is not about trying not to sin.He wasn't resurrected as yet....It says in the Bible that God nailed the law to the cross, so that with the cross it is 'dead', it has no more power, because Jesus paid for ALL of it, one time for all time....It is fully believing this, which is able to save us, we for sure cannot do that of ourselves, no matter how hard we try not to sin
so you can just sin all you want now, because Jesus paid the price? See, it has to be one or the other here, i think.because Jesus paid for ALL of it, one time for all time
so you can just sin all you want now, because Jesus paid the price? See, it has to be one or the other here, i think.
(Colossians 2:11-17) "In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: {12} Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. {13} And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; {14} Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; {15} And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. {16} Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: {17} Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ."
so you say, but i would keep an open mind there. Regulating the Sabbath for other people, now that is differentPaul also states we are no longer required to keep the sabbath, because Jesus Christ is the sabbath.
so you say, but i would keep an open mind there. Regulating the Sabbath for other people, now that is different
yet many people disagree with you, as does Ezekiel, apparently. But fwiw i have no objection if you choose to believe that Jesus still needs to do something else to save you.So scripture says, not what I say.
yet many people disagree with you, as does Ezekiel, apparently. But fwiw i have no objection if you choose to believe that Jesus still needs to do something else to save you.
Can you cite the scripture by Ezekiel stating the law is abolished? Ezekiel claiming the law is abolished would be in opposition to Jeremiah who stated the exact opposite. And it would do you well if you can stop putting words in my mouth. The law is fulfilled, so there is nothing more for Jesus to do for those who are saved. You are saved because God see's the law within you, not because it was "nailed to the cross". Therefore, if the law is abolished, then Jesus died for nothing, and the anti-law bunch don't even realize that.
"You are saved because God see's the law within you, not because it was "nailed to the cross"."
The Apostle Paul says believers have "fulfilled the righteous requirement" of the law. I'm guessing that that is what God sees in us.
Maybe that's the same as you said.
ah, i made an irrelevant reply there, sorry. Suddenly thought we were talking about rapture lol. Jesus negated one of the Ten Commandments, and Sabbath is abolished now? ok, if you say so. So now it's Small Bidness Day, tra-laCan you cite the scripture by Ezekiel stating the law is abolished? Ezekiel claiming the law is abolished would be in opposition to Jeremiah who stated the exact opposite. And it would do you well if you can stop putting words in my mouth. The law is fulfilled, so there is nothing more for Jesus to do for those who are saved. You are saved because God see's the law within you, not because it was "nailed to the cross". Therefore, if the law is abolished, then Jesus died for nothing, and the anti-law bunch don't even realize that.
niceYou are saved because God see's the law within you, not because it was "nailed to the cross". Therefore, if the law is abolished, then Jesus died for nothing, and the anti-law bunch don't even realize that.
Sabbath is a law, i guess though...It IS the same thing, its exactly what Jeremiah said the new covenant will be all about for Christs sake. The law is righteous and holy, because God is holy. Scripture doesn't contradict itself, God is not the author of confusion, and as some hyper grace believers suggest, "lawless".
Sabbath is a law, i guess though...
I'm quite lost at what you have written here I'm afraid....I KNOW it 's not about trying not to sin, which I point out all the time...As far as anyone having complaints against me, other than on this forum haha, there have not been any for decades, and the only time I had religious people coming against me, was anytime I tried to tell people that Jesus is alive, risen and available to all who is willing to come to Him...No one is able to completely stop sinning and I do agree that Jesus is the remedy for that, but surely you cannot say that His death on the cross had nothing to do with us being able to be saved? or am I going amiss of you post here???i disagree; the remedy Christ gave us for sin is rebound/forgiveness, it is not about trying not to sin.
And i also disagree that you cannot not sin no matter how hard you try, anyway. Besides being a poor perspective--as apparently if you are still in that perspective, you must still be under the law; that is the definition of "under the law," "defeated by sin"--this also is a way to deny Christ, by saying essentially "never mind the Good News i have supposedly received; that i can now confess and rebound when i sin, and needn't fear 'an eye for an eye,' or that i can forgive and accept a confession now, rather than demanding recompense under the law. None of that matters to me, because i will sin again at some point; oh, what will i ever do then?"
This might clarify a bit if you would describe to me that last time someone came to you with a complaint against you, and the resolution, if you would.
How long ago was that, too, if you don't mind.
Through Him taking all the shame and punishment on our behalves , sin has no more power to separate us from our Father...People cannot not sin, as even a stray thought ( such as a married man perhaps looking at a woman and thinking 'wow she's a dish' or something like that ( lame example I know, but just to illustrate )....But thanks to Jesus they won't be counted as sin to those who have accepted Christs redemption.so you can just sin all you want now, because Jesus paid the price? See, it has to be one or the other here, i think.
not a single grumble for decades wow, sure you're not a kiwi? Lol.there have not been any for decades
ya, that oughtta do it, i guess. The religious serve a crucified Lord, and you have just found the Risen One, ok, you came by a different path than most people i guess. We mostly came to Jesus out of fear of hell, see. And this is all written into the Book, too, when one stops reading It as a literal history and gets with the program, so to speak.and the only time I had religious people coming against me, was anytime I tried to tell people that Jesus is alive, risen and available to all who is willing to come to Him
yet you have not had a conflict in years lol. Ok. Prolly a good attitude to hold where that is concerned anyway i guess.No one is able to completely stop sinning
hmm. Ok, if the program is "The Son of Man must be raised up like a Snake on a Pole, so that all men will be drawn to Him" paraphrased, then one might wonder why like zero Christians have ever heard a sermon on Nehushtan, for instance, especially as they are all so convinced that the Book is Word, and Nehushtan is right there in the Book, after all.and I do agree that Jesus is the remedy for that, but surely you cannot say that His death on the cross had nothing to do with us being able to be saved? or am I going amiss of you post here?
well, accepting Christ's redemption is an action, with clearly defined parameters, for anyone with eyes to see imo. Confession is made unto salvation. A religious way of saying that if you are open-hearted, and are quick to realize and admit when you mess up, which will be almost never, like only if/when communication got garbled or something, then sure, i agree with you.Through Him taking all the shame and punishment on our behalves , sin has no more power to separate us from our Father...People cannot not sin, as even a stray thought ( such as a married man perhaps looking at a woman and thinking 'wow she's a dish' or something like that ( lame example I know, but just to illustrate )....But thanks to Jesus they won't be counted as sin to those who have accepted Christs redemption.