Self analysis of your Christian witness

[ScottA]

so you say, but i note that the sow/reap mechanism is functioning perfectly, has not broken down even a little, that i can tell.
You are even allowed to peek around the edge, right, and see time for the flexible reality that it is. So wadr i suggest that we are also the software writers of our subroutines, and i would be seeking any fatal errors there

No, but you have not seen the end of the reaping, which is in heaven. But you miss the point: We cannot rewrite what is already written. Which is not to say that we do not write it - but rather that we do not re-write it, meaning that life as we experience it is the unfolding of what "was" as we "did" according to who we "are", long ago (before the foundation of the world).

What this should produce is not the response that you seem to assume, but rather the confidence of knowing that all is well according to your own will and to God's. What will be, will be...because it "was."

 

[ScottA]

one would think that the briefest reflection on the notorious unreliability of eyewitnesses would at least be a consideration in the equation, if that is going to be one's definition of "witness?"

His strength is made perfect in weakness. Our imperfection prolongs the times until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled. It is a perfect plan.

 

[ScottA]

i would refer you to the fact that Einstein only "believed" what you "know." He believes the separation is an illusion. So do i; but that belief has no practical applications, at least for me anyway. The practical application imo is to embrace that my perspective is only relevant to me; not to deny that my perspective has any relevance. Again, you are literally a clock, in your current form at least, imo

Don't misunderstand. I am not giving Einstein credit for anything but being on the right track of discovery. As it is, science has not pressed on with his findings to any eye-opening revelations. So, just as Jesus laid out a timeless and spiritual kingdom for those who would enter in "today", "today" came and went without any takers, not one. The church age, therefore, has become an age of unbelief and blindness.

As a result, after 2000 years we still await the sounding of the seventh angel and the end of the mystery of God. But I tell you - he has sounded.

 

[amadeus]

oh, i thought we were examining when lol. Where is pretty easy i guess; where are you going to be tomorrow? Will the kingdom have moved, twixt now and then?

And we move onward [in space, time, etc.] in trying to understand and/or explain God's order. If we get in all in the right order will it not then be completely clear?

"And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought.
And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking.
After that he put his hands again upon his eyes, and made him look up: and he was restored, and saw every man clearly." Mark 8:23-25

 

[ScottA]

So then, Christ came to save you from time, and not sin?
Grasp that time is perceived differently by God, or maybe does not even exist on some other plane where God also is, and i am saved?

Time demon-strates sin.

Eternity comes when time has served its purpose.

 

[amadeus]

so you say, but then if King Saul (rejected) is in the same place as Samuel (accepted), how can that be?

I would not say that those are the same. Because I cannot see them does not make them the same or different. The dead man is dead. I don't know if they are now dead or not.

This is too much philosophy for me. I did two semesters in college. The first semester I loved never having delved into such things before. The 2nd semester could not be over soon enough. I was expecting more and better, but it was not.

 

[amadeus]

...and yet knowing perfectly well when it is time for a walk, yes.

the answer to "when?" is always "now" for a dog, see
i agree that time does not exist; only now exists

The dog knows because he has only God to guide him. We, on the other hand, have our high fallutin' mind to guide us. When we are led by God alone, we too will not need to refer to a map.

 

[amadeus]

work while you can
imo. why we cannot work at night is irrelevant; that we are cautioned to work while we can is, for night is coming, when no one can work

For man in the flesh there is only time while there is light. When we are in that city the Lamb will be the only Light available and the only Light required. In the meantime let us use the Light wisely if we can...

 

[bbyrd009]

No, but you have not seen the end of the reaping, which is in heaven.

so you say, but then where is heaven, and what is reaped?

i tell you that i have seen the end of the reaping, and it is heaven
and neither of these concepts are separate from IRL, as Scripture and Christ indicate in many, many, places

But you miss the point: We cannot rewrite what is already written. Which is not to say that we do not write it - but rather that we do not re-write it, meaning that life as we experience it is the unfolding of what "was" as we "did" according to who we "are", long ago (before the foundation of the world).

i suggest that All the days ordained for me / were written in your book / before one of them came to be is being misunderstood, but then that is just a perspective, too, i guess

What this should produce is not the response that you seem to assume,

which is what? i don't assume a response there that i am aware of, being as how i have not yet embraced the model?

but rather the confidence of knowing that all is well according to your own will and to God's. What will be, will be...because it "was."

and how does this serve the Rich Man, then?

i've asked about 4 times now how this changes one's response @ "works, meet for rebound" and i guess your reply is that they are irrelevant? Am i getting that right?

 

[bbyrd009]

If we get in all in the right order will it not then be completely clear?

well, hindsight is the only thing seems to be 20/20, right.

 

[ScottA]

so you say, but then where is heaven, and what is reaped?

i tell you that i have seen the end of the reaping, and it is heaven
and neither of these concepts are separate from IRL, as Scripture and Christ indicate in many, many, places

So far, so good, then. But, Christ, who said, "follow Me", did not then go about living a peaceful and enlightened life in the world. No, rather, when the time came (His time), He rose, and entered His rest, saying also that "the world will see Me no more."

So, it is one thing to embrace all that He has shown as being "the Way" and then wait until the time while doing the things He commanded. But quite another to stop at inner peace and good works.

i suggest that All the days ordained for me / were written in your book / before one of them came to be is being misunderstood, but then that is just a perspective, too, i guess

No, "today", "before the foundation of the world", and "I am" are not perspectives, but truth, even if it is not shared by the world.

which is what? i don't assume a response there that i am aware of, being as how i have not yet embraced the model?

You have said. I don't need to repeat it.

and how does this serve the Rich Man, then

The rich man, if He embraces all that Christ preached, is left with a pot full of money for his new journey.

 

[bbyrd009]

Time demon-strates sin.

sin requires knowledge, so i guess i am not getting the benefit of this pov either

Eternity comes when time has served its purpose.

ah, and what purpose is that? To demonstrate sin? Is that the gist?

 

[Helen]

ScottA said- Eternity comes when time has served its purpose.

@bbyrd009
ah, and what purpose is that? To demonstrate sin? Is that the gist?


Time is just "for the test"....like the t.i.m.e. spent in the wilderness...God said it was to test them to see what was in their hearts, to see if they would believe His Word or not.
For all but two...it was a "not"...their bones bleached in the wilderness...
Just Joshua and Caleb we in of their generation.
Time is the Test.

 

[bbyrd009]

But, Christ, who said, "follow Me", did not then go about living a peaceful and enlightened life in the world.

He didn't? are you sure?

So, it is one thing to embrace all that He has shown as being "the Way" and then wait until the time while doing the things He commanded. But quite another to stop at inner peace and good works.

all this embracing and stopping, aren't they impossible or irrelevant in your model? i thought you were watching a movie?

 

[bbyrd009]

You have said. I don't need to repeat it.

well, i have asked, like 3 or 4 times now, "how might this foster better works?" but wadr the answer that i get is "nevermind that part."

 

[bbyrd009]

The rich man, if He embraces all that Christ preached, is left with a pot full of money for his new journey.

how can there be an "if" in a movie where the end is known? Nevermind all of the other issues with this for now, which i can see about 3 other glaring ones

 

[bbyrd009]

to see if

again, if the end is known, this "seeing if" is not even relevant, right? or at least how can it be?
"The end is assured; now let's see if this is the end."

 

[Helen]

again, if the end is known, this "seeing if" is not even relevant, right? or at least how can it be?
"The end is assured; now let's see if this is the end."

I set before you a sweet but deadly ice cream...and also a healthy mix of veggies...you can pick one or the other, not both...the test to see IF you will choose that which will bring you life or death.
Your choice...

 

[bbyrd009]

I set before you a sweet but deadly ice cream...and also a healthy mix of veggies...you can pick one or the other, not both...the test to see IF you will choose that which will bring you life or death.
Your choice...

so then, put a movie on, and make an arbitrary choice, and see if the characters conform to it then, and let me know when that works, i guess

 

[Helen]

so then, put a movie on, and make an arbitrary choice, and see if the characters conform to it then, and let me know when that works, i guess

The natural and spiritual don't mix ...our problem is, we try to have the best of both world. It can never work...will never bring joy and peace, but confusion of soul.